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I have not been in the GPS world since my last Garmin Zumo fell off a number of years ago. I haven't needed one since then because I wasn't doing trips but I have one coming up in the spring so I'll need one.

I am not interested in using Waze on my iPhone while riding though it is great in the car. Dedicated GPS only.

What do you like (model/make)?

Why?
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My favorite is an old Garmin Nuvi 3490.

Until it rains.

It is a small, glass faced unit.

Thin so it looks like a smart phone with very clear graphics.

Easy to program and use on the fly too.

I also recently received a Garmin Zumo XT

Almost as good as the 3490, as I am still getting used to it.

So far it sometimes quits while riding for no reason, and it is missing a few features that I like on the 3490, but it is growing on me.

The last few times it has been almost flawless and will soon overtake the 3490, especially being somewhat water resistant.

I also have an old Garmin Zumo 660 that is hardwired to the Xmax.

It is so far behind the other two in graphics and user friendliness that I have almost quit using it.

My two cents.

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no help I know, but I like the gps displaying on my dashboard on my supertech. Plus added bonus is the recording of telemetry with the trip
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I'm still very happy with my Garmin Zumo 390LM. It's now mainly doing duty in the Westfalia, but still goes back on the GTS on the rare occasions I need extra nav. on the bike. (I know my way around for a good 80 mile radius now!)
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I have the Garmin Zumo 396. I am very happy with it and like that it is super bright and I don't have to worry about the rain.
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Garmin has the best product offerings with what I think is the best GUIs and computer based SW around. Find a model in your price range with the basic features you want. They differentiate between riding and trekking etc so you shouldn't have a problem.

There's obviously a wide variety of universal mounts but I'm a RAM fan for those: one mount serves everything from them.
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Hey sticky, just curious - you mentioned liking Waze for the car, but don't want it for the bike. How come?

I use it for both, love it for both for the same reasons. Are you going to be doing a lot of off-roading or something?
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I'm a TomTom guy, my latest is the Rider 550 that I've had for almost 2 years. I like that you can do your map updates via WiFi, the interface is easy to use and the MyDrive software is much more intuitive and easier to use than Garmin's BaseCamp. The screen is visible even in bright light and it's glove friendly.

BaseCamp pretty much drove me away from Garmin, it's kinda like Photoshop. Some people "get it" right off the bat while others may spend months trying to figure it out. I was in the latter group.
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I have not been in the GPS world since my last Garmin Zumo fell off a number of years ago. I haven't needed one since then because I wasn't doing trips but I have one coming up in the spring so I'll need one.

I am not interested in using Waze on my iPhone while riding though it is great in the car. Dedicated GPS only.

What do you like (model/make)?

Why?
Quite sometime ago, I used to be a TomTom purist. TomTom did have plenty of extra software available on internet... Then they released new motorcycle models that didn't play MP3 anymore, So I moved to Garmin Zumo that still play MP3...

I listen to music all the time while riding, and I like to being able to pick a song on the fly if I want to, so Garmin does fit the bill

Garmin seems to be better built, definitely much simpler to use and the Zumo version does offer water proof and touch screen gloves compatible...

I always got the impression that Tom Tom is leader in the European market, while Garmin has the rest of the world under control...

In saying all this, new mobile phone are really taking over the GPS scene as, they are water proof, they can play music and with Google map they certainly match and sometimes are better than the map offered with Garmin...

As a bonus, you can also make phone calls if you wish...

Then again, if you are after a rugged and good quality GPS for all sort of situations (heavy rain, Mud, dirt, sand, different type of maps, specific POI, special requirements for Trucks or RV), Garmin is still the best (IMO)

I never had a chance to try those cheap Chinese GPS but I got friends that had used them and we all know for a fact now, that they are not waterproof... ROFL emoticon
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I replaced my Garmin Zumo 660 with a new Zumo XT, and it's a huge upgrade. Initial startup for the XT is only about 5 seconds, compared to 30 for the 660.

The screen is bight and sharp. The response time to inputs is very good. The software is Android based, but the upgrades have virtually eliminated the need for BaseCamp. All updates are done via wifi, no need to connect to a computer. Easy to share routes with other bluetooth Garmin Units (I shared a route with a clubmate who had a Garmin 395). And there are some nifty other features for planning rides and finding points of interest.

It's the new top of the heap, and can be a bit pricey. You can find older used units online, but the performance, features, and display on the Zumo XT is well worth it.
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As long as you can still have the display be 2D and North Up, that'd be a nice upgrade if I win a small prize on the lottery.

(Am I the only one who likes 2D and North-up?)
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Hey sticky, just curious - you mentioned liking Waze for the car, but don't want it for the bike. How come?

I use it for both, love it for both for the same reasons. Are you going to be doing a lot of off-roading or something?
Because I want a dedicated GPS and not a phone in a case for riding. I find phone displays are not bright enough for riding and hard to interact with with gloves on.

The places I ride when traveling sometimes do not have cell service and Waze can get a little weird acting without it sometimes dropping the visual and even need to be reset. Its happened to me in North Georgia.

Also, when I am riding I do not take calls or texts. My phone gets put away. If I use it for a GPS and I see a text or see a family member calling I will be tempted to pull over worrying there is some kind of emergency and I will really be annoyed if they just called to chat. Out of site. Out of mind.
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This is my GPS....
Ok Boomer. Laughing emoticon
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As long as you can still have the display be 2D and North Up, that'd be a nice upgrade if I win a small prize on the lottery.

(Am I the only one who likes 2D and North-up?)
I always use 2d and route up.

Then just follow the purple lineā€¦ all the way across the state or even country.

I have tried north up but it didn't work for me.

For Carl, I also never use the awkward BaseCamp. MyRoute-app is so much better. Routes can me set up in minutes.

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As long as you can still have the display be 2D and North Up, that'd be a nice upgrade if I win a small prize on the lottery.

(Am I the only one who likes 2D and North-up?)
I do as well. For me 2D is clearer to get the info you need fast and get your eyes back on the road. Also north should always be up. Its how the deities intended.

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I'm a big fan of the Garmin zumo line. I've had at least three (the first one got lost and doesn't count) and they have steadily improved over the years, though occasionally they've taken a step backwards in the process.

I am a strong and obnoxiously vocal proponent of NOT using your phone for on-bike navigation, for the simple reason that if your phone still has reception, you probably haven't ridden far enough to be on a proper adventure.
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I am a strong and obnoxiously vocal proponent of NOT using your phone for on-bike navigation, for the simple reason that if your phone still has reception, you probably haven't ridden far enough to be on a proper adventure.
Some phone based navigation apps have the ability to download maps and run in an offline mode. Even Google maps lets you download big chunks
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So it looks like I will be sticking with the Zumo line. Now to figure out which one. Thanks everyone and keep them coming.
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So it looks like I will be sticking with the Zumo line. Now to figure out which one. Thanks everyone and keep them coming.
I recommend the XT.

It is light years better than the 660.

I still am learning what it can do, but my riding tours this fall have been affected by Lostboater's big trip.

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This is my GPS....
That's cute...

What's his name?

Can you upgrade or get a new model any time you wish or is he going to be jealous and complain??

Only kidding, mate...

I use often both, the paper map to purposely try new tracks, and the GPS to cut as quick as possible across the cities or for deliveries...
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I recommend the XT.

It is light years better than the 660.

I still am learning what it can do, but my riding tours this fall have been affected by Lostboater's big trip.

Bill
I think Cruiseman agrees with you. Just not sure I want to spend that kind of cash. Sure looks nice though.

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I think Cruiseman agrees with you. Just not sure I want to spend that kind of cash. Sure looks nice though.

I just check it on the Garmin site...

It does have all the features and I think you own it to yourself for a very nice Christmas present...

It does look like the winner...
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It's Beeline for me. I like the way the information is presented.
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Some phone based navigation apps have the ability to download maps and run in an offline mode. Even Google maps lets you download big chunks
Yep. And you can sew conductive filament into the ends of your gloves to deal with the touch screen. And put it in a big case so that when you drop it off the bike it doesn't get too banged up.

Or you can just get a purpose-built GPS and call it a day.
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It's Beeline for me. I like the way the information is presented.
Never heard of this. Or at least I don't recall hearing about it. I really like the simplicity and minimalist system. It really gives you everything you need to just navigate. Thanks for that.

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Yep. And you can sew conductive filament into the ends of your gloves to deal with the touch screen. And put it in a big case so that when you drop it off the bike it doesn't get too banged up.

Or you can just get a purpose-built GPS and call it a day.
true true, a dedicated is better. (never was a debate)

one reason I don't mount my phone for nav (more applicable before my supertech) is that I've never liked the idea of having my phone baking in the Sun.

I did have a TomTom Rider several years ago but frankly it sucked. only used it when I had to.
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one reason I don't mount my phone for nav (more applicable before my supertech) is that I've never liked the idea of having my phone baking in the Sun.
This is also a problem. The glass front on most modern smart phones results in solar gain when exposed to direct sunlight. It can be enough to overheat (and shut down) the phone.
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Never heard of this. Or at least I don't recall hearing about it. I really like the simplicity and minimalist system. It really gives you everything you need to just navigate. Thanks for that.

Mind you, we are back at getting stuck with a mobile...

I also wonder if it still works without a proper data signal from your carrier...
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Like many others, I too have upgraded from a Garmin 660 to a Zumo XT. Basecamp still sucks. For a lot of trips I will plan a route with ridewithgps.com. You can download a gpx file as a track and load that into the XT. You don't get turn by turn directions, but your route is displayed on the map, and it does notify you if you are off route. It also lets you know distance to end of route. A lot of times that's all I need or want.
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Mind you, we are back at getting stuck with a mobile...

I also wonder if it still works without a proper data signal from your carrier...
Yes, the Beeline Moto works without cell service. I often travel across areas where I am without a signal and then the navigation still functions perfectly.
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Yes, the Beeline Moto works without cell service. I often travel across areas where I am without a signal and then the navigation still functions perfectly.
Thanks for answering that. But your phone needs to be paired with it while riding, is that correct?
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Touring300,

I also am an old map guy. I expect if I did a lot of backroad solo riding I would
have gotten into GPS. Despite not having GPS, everyone else in my riding group
has GPS.

When leading group rides, I map memorize every turn on the route. When possible,
I pre-ride the route. If I get in trouble on turns, I ask the scoot behind me (all have
GPS).

I do acknowledge that GPS is an amazing tool that seems to be getting even better.
I am just an old dog that has it tough learning new tricks.

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Thanks for answering that. But your phone needs to be paired with it while riding, is that correct?
You are welcome and yes, that's correct. Fairly low energy consumption though.
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I should add: the phone stays in my bag or jacket, once the route is set, you don't need to interact with the phone and the display stays off.
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I do acknowledge that GPS is an amazing tool that seems to be getting even better.
I am just an old dog that has it tough learning new tricks.

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I remember being on a cruise ship once and the captain gave a talk where he said that although outmoded, he took great joy in occasionally taking out his personal sextant to verify the vessels position. Map reading is a similar skill that is dying out with the passage of time.
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Touring300,

As an old map guy, I generally know which way we should be headed. On our
last group ride to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, the leader of the subgroup
I was riding in had his GPS fail or go wrong. I pulled up next to him to help sort
out the situation. In fact, with his GPS out, he had no idea of where we were at
or which way to go.

I pulled out a local detailed map. I took the lead and we caught up with the
rest of the ride groups at the next rest stop. On the same extended ride, those
using Google Maps kept getting redirected to the shortest route - not the scenic
route we wanted to travel on.

I really am not a Luddite or member of the Flat Earth Society. Or, maybe I am.
Just give me a map.

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giallo wrote:
You are welcome and yes, that's correct. Fairly low energy consumption though.
So that is not a deal breaker.
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Touring300 wrote:
I remember being on a cruise ship once and the captain gave a talk where he said that although outmoded, he took great joy in occasionally taking out his personal sextant to verify the vessels position. Map reading is a similar skill that is dying out with the passage of time.
He would have enjoyed using his sextant in a middle of a storm, as much as when I'm try to find a road in an old map no longer current or that has being folded so many times that it has holes in it...

It is all good and romantic, but there are obvious reasons of why those skills are dying...

Then again, when the battery goes flat, all bets are off...
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