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I would like to upgrade the pogo stick on my 62 Allstate on 8s. This swingarm is being offered to me as a used Piaggio marked swingarm. Will this work? Can I use existing hardware, or do I need to change some bits?
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yes, it'll work.

Not sure if you'll need new bits or not. Someone else will for sure chime in on that.
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Should be a direct swap over, with all the hardware you have. Consider using new selaed bearings while you have it all apart anyway.

You'll also have to weld on a top shock mount to the fork tube. If you get a complete fork, you can leave the Allstate fork as-is, collecting dust on a shelf for future use or restoration
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I figure that if I ever do want to swap it back, it will be easier to find an unmolested Allstate fork than finding a good suspension fork now. I think I'll just weld a mount.
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You will need a few other parts, as well as welding a simple bracket to your fork in the right place. It's not hard to make your own, but there is an aftermarket piece available out there.

I guess we should start a list for posterity if we don't already have... QCSCOOT, I'm looking at you!
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Where's a good place to get the bracket?

This one is out of stock
And this one has the exact same image as Scooter Mercato, and ships from India, which makes me suspicious.
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I figure that if I ever do want to swap it back, it will be easier to find an unmolested Allstate fork than finding a good suspension fork now. I think I'll just weld a mount.
But maybe I'm wrong, and someone has a good fork they will sell me?
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V oodoo wrote:
You will need a few other parts, as well as welding a simple bracket to your fork in the right place. It's not hard to make your own, but there is an aftermarket piece available out there.

I guess we should start a list for posterity if we don't already have... QCSCOOT, I'm looking at you!
It would be nice if there was a vintage wiki too.
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Where's a good place to get the bracket?

This one is out of stock
And this one has the exact same image as Scooter Mercato, and ships from India, which makes me suspicious.
You can make one easily, just a U shaped piece of flat bar.


PAGING QCSCOOT!!! Eyelashes emoticon
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I might have found a fork too. What are your thoughts on the one on the left/bottom? Will that work? And glaring issues?
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The bottom fork will fit proper in your Allstate. The other/top fork is for a Rally
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Thanks for the confirmation. I feared that they would be a lot harder to find.
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........ The other/top fork is for a Rally
Are GL, Sprint - older 10" bikes not SS or GS, the same or is each unique in some way? Interchangeable at least? I really don't know... Crying or Very sad emoticon
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V oodoo wrote:
You will need a few other parts, as well as welding a simple bracket to your fork in the right place. It's not hard to make your own, but there is an aftermarket piece available out there.

I guess we should start a list for posterity if we don't already have... QASCOOT, I'm looking at you!
I compared these two pictures: The VNB/VBB vs the Sprint, because essentially you're putting a Sprint swing arm on there. You can find them under "Diagrams" On ScooterMercato's website

* You'll need to weld the tab - I found one on EBay but it's not hard to make
The axle and hub should work OK
* You'll need a front Pivot kit and the fork link spring plate. The swing arm clip is different than the way it mounts on the VNB.
*And of course a dampner and the top bolt for mounting the dampner.

The best advice I can give is compare the two drawings and pay close attention to the pivot areas. That is where you will need the new components.

Also, I went through some of this in this thread: 62 Allstate Cruisaire - getting it back on the road (Page 6)

I hope this helps!
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* You'll need to weld the tab - I found one on EBay but it's not hard to make
The axle and hub should work OK
Are you talking about welding the dampener mount tab if I used my Allstate fork, or is there something that I need to weld on the fork that I pictured here?
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Are you talking about welding the dampener mount tab if I used my Allstate fork?
Yes. I don't know about those forks. I'm not knowledgeable enough in mix and matching forks. I used the original fork that came in the Allstate.
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Yes. I don't know about those forks. I'm not knowledgeable enough in mix and matching forks. I used the original fork that came in the Allstate.
Cool. I'm going to pick up that left/bottom fork at the same time as the swing arm and see how it matches up with what I have. If it doesn't, I break out my welder and pass the fork along to someone else.
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Cool. I'm going to pick up that left/bottom fork at the same time as the swing arm and see how it matches up with what I have. If it doesn't, I break out my welder and pass the fork along to someone else.
Hit me up if you are moving it along please!
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