Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:18 am

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:18 am linkquote
My Allstate's clutch cable outer broke about 2 inches from the lever. I'm thinking about wiring then duct taping the new outer to the lever end of the old outer and pulling on the clutch end of the old one to thread it through. Any better ideas?
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:12 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2505
Location: Florence, OR
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:12 am linkquote
I like to use a super long cable I got at the bicycle shop. It's at least twice as long as a normal cable.

Feed that into your new outer, then into your old outer.

When it's fed through both outers you can coax the old outer out of position and the new wire into position via pulling the extra long cable.

It works pretty sweet.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:40 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1992
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:40 am linkquote
If you don't have a local bicycle shop, try a farm supply store or hardware store that has cable on a spool you purchase by the foot.

I also used heat shrink tubing to keep the new and old ends aligned when I did my throttle cable. Tape is bulky and got caught on edges etc.
qascooter wrote:
I like to use a super long cable I got at the bicycle shop. It's at least twice as long as a normal cable.

Feed that into your new outer, then into your old outer.

When it's fed through both outers you can coax the old outer out of position and the new wire into position via pulling the extra long cable.

It works pretty sweet.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:58 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6215
Location: So Cal
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:58 am linkquote
Yep, get an extra long cable or wire and pull the new outer through behind the old one.

The bend through the headset is the toughest part. I usually end up removing the headlight and speedo, and feeding the new outer through the shift tube by hand.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:40 am

Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:40 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
The bend through the headset is the toughest part. I usually end up removing the headlight and speedo, and feeding the new outer through the shift tube by hand.
That's where the duct tape fails!
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:57 am

Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:57 am linkquote
Get a spool of 18 guage single strand picture hanging wire at any hardware store.
Feed it through your old outer from the headset down.
Feed wire through new outer and tie off the end ( see photo).
Pull both up together. You do this by pulling at the headset while reaching over and feeding them up with the other hand.
When the new outer end is up at the headset, remove the old one. Don't cut the wire yet.
Pull the new outer back down, just below the socket that the end cap needs to go into.
Using the wire, pull the outer until it snugs up into that socket. The cable adjuster will not work unless you do so, as it relies on a snug fit at both ends.



Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:43 pm

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:43 pm linkquote
I expanded the coiled wire insert on both the new and the old outers and hooked them together with a pair of needle nose. 4" of heat shrink tubing over the splice. Pulled the new cable right through the speedo hole from the clutch end. Cut to length, added a ferule and Bobs your uncle.

Thanks all.
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:39 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 4244
Location: Nashville
Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:39 am linkquote
For any future folks who search out this thread, there was a great discussion with a wealth of good advice on replacing clutch cables, both inners and outers, over in Kim's From Dreamer to Owner, now what? thread.

Good luck, Future Folks!
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:27 am

Hooked
bv350, Brutale 910
Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Posts: 477
Location: LA CA
 
Hooked
bv350, Brutale 910
Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Posts: 477
Location: LA CA
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:27 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Yep, get an extra long cable or wire and pull the new outer through behind the old one.

The bend through the headset is the toughest part. I usually end up removing the headlight and speedo, and feeding the new outer through the shift tube by hand.
thanks for that, I tried awhile back and couldn't figure out how to go around the bend. The rally sat during the whole pandy cause I couldn't figure it out =(
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:28 pm

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:28 pm linkquote
tonyc wrote:
The rally sat during the whole pandy cause I couldn't figure it out =(
Fucking Pandy!
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:35 pm

Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
 
Hooked
1959 Allstate w PX Engine
Joined: 29 Nov 2020
Posts: 382
Location: Los Angeles
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:35 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Get a spool of 18 gauge single strand picture hanging wire at any hardware store.
Feed it through your old outer from the headset down.
Feed wire through new outer and tie off the end ( see photo).
Pull both up together. You do this by pulling at the headset while reaching over and feeding them up with the other hand.
When the new outer end is up at the headset, remove the old one. Don't cut the wire yet.
Pull the new outer back down, just below the socket that the end cap needs to go into.
Using the wire, pull the outer until it snugs up into that socket. The cable adjuster will not work unless you do so, as it relies on a snug fit at both ends.
Forgot to mention above to tie the wire at the headset end too, in the same manner as the photo. Snug 'em up before doing so.
There is no better way to replace an outer.
Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:28 am

Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
 
Hooked
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 111
Location: York, PA
Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:28 am linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Forgot to mention above to tie the wire at the headset end too, in the same manner as the photo. Snug 'em up before doing so.
There is no better way to replace an outer.
Worked like a charm. Thank you for the tip.
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