Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:30 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:30 am linkquote
Take great care when packing up your gear people. Either for storage or shipment. These old machines are becoming artifacts and little bits and bobs are becoming more and more scarce each year.

In rebuilding a 1980 P200 I have been pretty surprised at times to find many parts unavailable. Creating a scavenger hunt to get the bike complete in its original form. I know... I know... "it's just a P". Well, they used to say that about sprints, and Rallys, etc. etc.

I will tell on myself. VRM sent me a stator at a super fair price that needed to be rewired. I was doing some horse trading with Gick and decided to send him the stator (with some other stuff) to rewire. Wadded up some packing paper around stuff, tossed in some Styrofoam, taped up the box and dropped it off at the post office.

Short story long... two of the coils got snapped in shipping. Because I was in a rush (read: "careless").

The p200 AC/DC combo stators or even coils aren't easily found any more. Suckville.

So when packing/shipping - Take your time. Pad it well. Pad it some more.

This stuff ain't growing on Piaggio or LML trees any more.


Absolute shit show of my own making.



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Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:41 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:41 am linkquote
Sucks that parts are becoming more rare even on p's. I was wondering when people would start treating p200 like older models. Been holding onto a rusted p frame considering cutting the rust tunnel out and welding new clean pieces back in like one would with a more valuable frame thinking that it may be worth it in the near future to not discard p frames that are rusted like this.

I'm sure you and Gick have a plan in works, but it may be worth it to contact the manufacturer of these replacement coils to see if they have a comparable coil. This is the only p coil I can find on their website. Its probably not the correct one, but I'm sure they will provide you with some answers.

https://ceabshop.it/collections/vespa-p200e-vsx1-77-82-1serie/products/bobina-accensione-interna-vespa-px-et3-pe-pk
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:11 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:11 pm linkquote
P/PXs are really going up in price around here and rightly so for the best scooters ever made.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:43 am

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Ratty & Reliable 1959 VBA , P125 Engine w/ 166, P200 Primary, 24/24, Sim Pipe
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:43 am linkquote
I have what I believe is a 200 stator, which has one bad coil, the one with the white insulation, and maybe Gick can salvage the two from it. Yours for the asking.



Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:05 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:05 am linkquote
Sweeeeeet!!!! So kind of you. I'll take it!

PM details please. I am happy to send you some coin and pay postage.
You really just made my day.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:36 am

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Ratty & Reliable 1959 VBA , P125 Engine w/ 166, P200 Primary, 24/24, Sim Pipe
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:36 am linkquote
PM sent.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:53 am

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'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:53 am linkquote
That looks like an ac stator by the wiring colors, but maybe someone rewired it? Just saying check your coils.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:15 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:15 am linkquote
ah snap.. I think you are right.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:24 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:24 am linkquote
They look identical. How can you tell one is ac and one is ac/DC when all the coils appear to be the same between them?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:45 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:45 am linkquote
It's been a long while since I did it, but coils aren't that hard to wind.

If you want to send me the broken coils, I'll give reproducing them a shot, both because I like weird problems like that and I'm a masochist.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:24 am

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:24 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
It's been a long while since I did it, but coils aren't that hard to wind.

If you want to send me the broken coils, I'll give reproducing them a shot, both because I like weird problems like that and I'm a masochist.
Lolz! You sir, are indeed a masochist, but a good egg and a credit to the 50 yard dash!
Quote:
They look identical. How can you tell one is ac and one is ac/DC when all the coils appear to be the same between them?
It's easy to tell a DC from an AC stator as the "DC only" ones dont have that exciter coil with white paper. (If the pick up is 12 o clock it is at 11 o'clock). All the coils on a DC-only stator look like the copper coils. (Think Vape or Malossi EI's.)

AC/DC combos are more tricky...
The combo AC/DC stator IIRC and understand correctly (which is doubtful) have the grounds wired in differently to the coils... I am reaching way back to the periphery of a vague memory of youtube video from ages ago, so I may have that wrong.

I think what SDJohn noticed was no yellow (or yellows) coming off to the junction box. Hence an AC only stator. I think... most of the P era, non battery, ac-only stators will lack the yellow wire(s) that you see on the combo AC/DC stators.

Someone please feel free to shine a more informed light.

My answer is only a little better than a spitball.
Where is PoiDog when you need him?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:19 pm

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:19 pm linkquote
Yup, no yellows was my thought
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