Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:56 am

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Location: Florida
 
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1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:56 am linkquote
Has anyone had similar damage and fixed?



Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:06 am

Molto Verboso
portofino green GTV 300
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Location: w.ma. Northampton
 
Molto Verboso
portofino green GTV 300
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:06 am linkquote
As someone who used to work in Autobody and paint repair I can tell you that almost anything can be repaired but that is totaled and it should be. Sorry
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:15 am

Ossessionato
2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70'
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Location: East Anglia, UK
 
Ossessionato
2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70'
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:15 am linkquote
As above, I'm with flyangler. Economically unviable to fix. Also, like flyangler I'm ex-motor trade.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:09 am

Hooked
Piaggio BV350, Vespa GTS 300 Super
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:09 am linkquote
That is totaled. It's beyond saving.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:36 am

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Location: Florida
 
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1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Location: Florida
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:36 am linkquote
What is it worth?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:39 am

eeee-bip
BMW R1100RT - The Paperweight Royal Enfield 500 Trials
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eeee-bip
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:39 am linkquote
Not much.

Part out the engine and the rest goes in the trash.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:01 am

Hooked
50cc Beo, MP3 400 2012, BigBeo 2003
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Location: Chelyabinsk, Russia
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:01 am linkquote
Awww... Poor little thing. If I had it, I'd repair it by my own hands.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:02 am

Moderibbit
1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 8630
Location: Atlanta, GA
 
Moderibbit
1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:02 am linkquote
Poor scoot. If you have the time and patience you'll make the most money parting it out, but you could sell it as a complete parts bike too. Won't make as much but it will get the whole thing out of your hair in one deal
Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:08 am

Molto Verboso
2016 Sprint S 150, 2016 Sprint 150, 2006 GTS 250, 2006 GTS 250, 2012 GTS 300, 1974 Vespa 150 Super
Joined: 21 Oct 2016
Posts: 1078
Location: Vermont
 
Molto Verboso
2016 Sprint S 150, 2016 Sprint 150, 2006 GTS 250, 2006 GTS 250, 2012 GTS 300, 1974 Vespa 150 Super
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:08 am linkquote
What happened? If insurance is involved, it will be totaled. If not, it should still be totaled but you may be in a good area where you can sell it as a parts bike. Or if you love it, buy the same and keep it as a parts bike.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:00 am

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
Joined: 25 Mar 2014
Posts: 394
Location: Florida
 
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1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Posts: 394
Location: Florida
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:00 am linkquote
Someone wants to sell it to me. Seeing what to offer.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:13 am

Moderatus Rana
MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Posts: 22159
Location: Nashville, Indiana
 
Moderatus Rana
MP3 250 and 2 MP3 500s
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:13 am linkquote
If I needed it for parts I would offer $100.00. Treat it as a salvage.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:31 am

Ossessionato
2013 Vespa 300 Super, 2007 Burgman 400
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Location: Minneapolis USA
 
Ossessionato
2013 Vespa 300 Super, 2007 Burgman 400
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:31 am linkquote
Many of you may already know this.

Routinely, if there is insurance and the vehicle is totaled, the insurance company
will pay you the fair market value (before the crash) less your deductible.

The same insurance company (They do not want the junk) has a guaranteed salvage buyer
for all their totals for either 25% or 30%. If you want to keep the totaled vehicle (after
all you own it) they deduct their 30% guaranteed salvage buy and give you the cash difference.

So, when a vehicles damage approaches 70% of the market value, the insurance company
offers to total the vehicle. Due to the high labor repair costs, many vehicles are
financially totaled. Many of these totaled vehicles are very repairable

I have been employed in the insurance business for 45 years. The first 5 years
in the business, I was in claims. Despite the salvage guaranteed buy, we wanted to
total vehicles to avoid customers coming back again and again with more problems
from the original costly repair.

Back to Topic: This Vespa is obviously totaled as already posted above.
I have no mechanical ability and would not take it.

Bob Copeland
Pushed paper all my life, no wrenching.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:42 am

Petty Tyrant
0:7
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:42 am linkquote
Agreed that this is, for all intents and purposes, totaled. If you need an engine, this would be a great chance to get one. If you need a scooter, hard pass.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:20 am

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Posts: 394
Location: Florida
 
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Location: Florida
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:20 am linkquote
Good if a frame could be found
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:26 am

Hooked
PK50XL,PK100S,ET3
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Posts: 157
Location: UK
 
Hooked
PK50XL,PK100S,ET3
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:26 am linkquote
colosseo wrote:
Good if a frame could be found
Is the amount of work to swap everything over to a new frame worth it? If you were to pay someone else, definitely no. If you did it yourself then its down to how much you value your time, what you are being offered for this insurance write-off and how much a new frame would cost. Also, what would the end result be worth.

There's got to be better projects out there.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:20 am

Molto Verboso
2021 GTS 300 HPE +2013 GTS 300ie
Joined: 12 Dec 2017
Posts: 1553
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
 
Molto Verboso
2021 GTS 300 HPE +2013 GTS 300ie
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:20 am linkquote
Matchlessman wrote:
Is the amount of work to swap everything over to a new frame worth it? If you were to pay someone else, definitely no. If you did it yourself then its down to how much you value your time, what you are being offered for this insurance write-off and how much a new frame would cost. Also, what would the end result be worth.

There's got to be better projects out there.
Wot he sed.

My Vespa guru is in the autobody trade and rebuilt a totalled scoot into a new frame.
He said he would never do it again.
You have to strip down completely and re-assemble as in the factory...
without the equipment.

Seller should part it out.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:24 am

Moderatrice Strega
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:24 am linkquote
That's a bucket of parts now, unfortunately.

The only other reason I could see someone wanting it is if they really know what they're doing when it comes to bodywork, they have a lot of spare time, and really want a tough challenge to play around with. That does happen (and it's pretty cool when folks post projects like that), but not very often.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:56 am

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 289
Location: Tucson, AZ
 
Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:56 am linkquote
Shame you can't get the upper legshield as a repair panel that has been available for the older GT/GTS models; it would make that repair more viable assuming that the steering tube and/or fork isn't out of whack. Even if you decided to try and repair that panel, you'd likely have to drill out the welds and pull the upper shield off the scoot in order to address the bucked metal without having the steering tube in the way. And odds say it won't line back up when you try to refit it.

Swapping into a new frame wouldn't be horrible, since there's less stuff in an LX chassis than there is in a GT/GTS. Just swapped the harness in an LX project and it wasn't too bad with the fuel tank out and the rear shock removed; you'll need to be able to pivot the engine to push the back half or the harness into the engine bay.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:12 am

Molto Verboso
Vespa ET3 & Vespa PX150 & Vespa GTS 300 & NIU NQi Sport
Joined: 05 Apr 2009
Posts: 1612
Location: Berlin
 
Molto Verboso
Vespa ET3 & Vespa PX150 & Vespa GTS 300 & NIU NQi Sport
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Posts: 1612
Location: Berlin
Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:12 am linkquote
How could that steering rod not be out of shape?
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:27 pm

Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
 
Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
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Location: Auckland, NZ
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:27 pm linkquote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
How could that steering rod not be out of shape?
My wild guess is this was 'under the rear car bumper' slide-in, nose to tail collision type. Forceful enough to bend the leg shield but not strong enough to bend the steering column pipe.

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:30 pm

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Location: Florida
 
Hooked
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Location: Florida
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:30 pm linkquote
Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:31 pm

Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
Joined: 07 Aug 2021
Posts: 100
Location: Auckland, NZ
 
Hooked
GTS HPE RSW - Rally Snow White
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:31 pm linkquote
Jah wrote:
Awww... Poor little thing. If I had it, I'd repair it by my own hands.
Funny how we get varying respones depending of country of residence
Some of my old country men in the Mediterranean would also willfully oblige to take this on as a project challenge and I'm sure most of the Vespa fans with know-how in the South East Asian countries too.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:38 pm

Hooked
'07 LX150, '81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
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Location: Tucson, AZ
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:38 pm linkquote
babola wrote:
My wild guess is this was 'under the rear car bumper' slide in collision type. Forceful enough to bend the leg shield but not strong enough to bend the steering column pipe.
I agree. There's about 11cm of open chassis between the "nose" of the upper shield and the steering tube where that impact occurred. You'd have to pull the glovebox and floorboard to see if the chassis tunnel buckled in order to determine if the steering tube was misaligned and inspect the tube itself for signs of deformation.

The part that is concerning is lower on the legshield; you can see where the welds that hold the upper and lower shield together popped from the impact. That's some serious distortion of the upper shield and would be hard to straighten without removing it.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:31 pm

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Granturismo 218
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:31 pm linkquote
colosseo wrote:
Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
Being able to limp it home is not the same as taking it up to 65-70 on the interstate. I would be willing to bet that bike handles less than ideal once you get it over five miles an hour.
There are places where it would be fixed and resold. Find out how much it costs to ship it to Vietnam.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:43 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Posts: 9685
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:43 pm linkquote
that's a parts bike now. might be able to scrape about 5~800 off it if you were patient, but used parts are in the shitter right now.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:12 pm

Hooked
Piaggio BV350, Vespa GTS 300 Super
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Posts: 146
Location: Dahlonega, GA
 
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Location: Dahlonega, GA
Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:12 pm linkquote
When I see a front end total like this, I consider that it was in use when it stopped. Everything behind the damage is good. It has a complete engine, transmission, it might have a throttle body and Keyset, seat, headlamp/guage assembly, assorted lights, a couple of wheels, a muffler, etc, etc..... all presumably good and working
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:49 pm

Hooked
GTS super 300
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Location: Montreal Canada
 
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GTS super 300
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:49 pm linkquote
That'll buff right out
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:55 pm

Moderibbit
1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 8630
Location: Atlanta, GA
 
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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:55 pm linkquote
colosseo wrote:
Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
Who cares? If you want to buy it for parts, that's one thing. More power to you. But that should NOT be bought as a rideabler fixerupper because it is totaled. Don't let them upsale you on it for that reason
Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:26 pm

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
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Location: Florida
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:26 pm linkquote
Yep
Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:02 pm

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2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:02 pm linkquote
That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 pm

Petty Tyrant
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 pm linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:27 pm

Molto Verboso
Medley 150
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Location: Adelaide
 
Molto Verboso
Medley 150
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:27 pm linkquote
Sell the engine and trans. Put the scoot in the bar/man cave as a talking point. Use the pet carrier as an in situ ice bucket/beer cooler.
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:45 am

MV Santa
GTS250, 1960 VBA, 1975 VBC, 1980 P200E cutdown
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Location: Sedgwick, Kansas
 
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:45 am linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
I know a dead Vespa when I see on and I'm looking at one right now.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:07 am

Enthusiast
2005 GT200L (Jiffy5), 2021 GTS 300 hpe
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Posts: 50
Location: Alberta, Canada
 
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2005 GT200L (Jiffy5), 2021 GTS 300 hpe
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Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:07 am linkquote



beautiful plumage

Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:22 pm

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Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:22 pm linkquote
As a shop, what you don't want is someone to drag that thing in and expect a free repair estimate.

We had a mechanic working for us who had a great way of keeping them from spending time in the service department.

"Unbolt the seat, lift it up, and put another bike under it.
Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:55 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
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Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:55 pm linkquote
Motovista wrote:
As a shop, what you don't want is someone to drag that thing in and expect a free repair estimate.

We had a mechanic working for us who had a great way of keeping them from spending time in the service department.

"Unbolt the seat, lift it up, and put another bike under it.
That falls under the "don't even take it off the truck" line.

Followed by, a back and forth and they need an estimate for insurance purposes. Fine. 4 hours of labor cash up front. you pick it up the same day the estimate is done, otherwise it's $100 a day to store it. No exceptions, no grace period. After 7 days I'll file a lien and own it.
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:29 am

Hooked
Piaggio BV350, Vespa GTS 300 Super
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Posts: 146
Location: Dahlonega, GA
 
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Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:29 am linkquote
Motovista wrote:
There are places where it would be fixed and resold. Find out how much it costs to ship it to Vietnam.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PI6722835-Fairing-Shield-Front-and-Primer-PIAGGIO-Vespa-GTS-Super-300-2008-2016-/274837639582?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

Piaggio sells the entire front shield. And it's not too unreasonable. It would take some Hella welding skills and a lot of time, and the rest of the steering column would hopefully be intact, but yeah, this would get fixed in other parts of the world where you don't get to own a Vespa unless you can fix something like this.
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:44 am

Hooked
1980 P200E - GT 200 L - 2005PX150
Joined: 25 Mar 2014
Posts: 394
Location: Florida
 
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Location: Florida
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:44 am linkquote
Have not heard back from the seller. Wonder what price he has in mind
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:52 am

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 9685
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:52 am linkquote
colosseo wrote:
Have not heard back from the seller. Wonder what price he has in mind
I'd say that's 5-800 maybe 1k if you're feeling frisky and wanna break it ALL the way down and sit on the parts till you sell them for next to nothing for all of the hassle and then you gotta get rid of the carcass. Even then, with your time and aggravation, you'd come out about even.
Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:13 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
Neutrino MP3 492.7 AK, 2013 Moto Guzzi Norge
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Location: Harriman, Tennessee, Tn
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
Neutrino MP3 492.7 AK, 2013 Moto Guzzi Norge
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Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:13 pm linkquote
yes it can be fixed, how much cash do you have?
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