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Has anyone had similar damage and fixed?
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As someone who used to work in Autobody and paint repair I can tell you that almost anything can be repaired but that is totaled and it should be. Sorry
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As above, I'm with flyangler. Economically unviable to fix. Also, like flyangler I'm ex-motor trade.
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That is totaled. It's beyond saving.
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What is it worth?
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Not much.

Part out the engine and the rest goes in the trash.
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Awww... Poor little thing. If I had it, I'd repair it by my own hands.
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Poor scoot. If you have the time and patience you'll make the most money parting it out, but you could sell it as a complete parts bike too. Won't make as much but it will get the whole thing out of your hair in one deal
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What happened? If insurance is involved, it will be totaled. If not, it should still be totaled but you may be in a good area where you can sell it as a parts bike. Or if you love it, buy the same and keep it as a parts bike.
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Someone wants to sell it to me. Seeing what to offer.
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If I needed it for parts I would offer $100.00. Treat it as a salvage.
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Many of you may already know this.

Routinely, if there is insurance and the vehicle is totaled, the insurance company
will pay you the fair market value (before the crash) less your deductible.

The same insurance company (They do not want the junk) has a guaranteed salvage buyer
for all their totals for either 25% or 30%. If you want to keep the totaled vehicle (after
all you own it) they deduct their 30% guaranteed salvage buy and give you the cash difference.

So, when a vehicles damage approaches 70% of the market value, the insurance company
offers to total the vehicle. Due to the high labor repair costs, many vehicles are
financially totaled. Many of these totaled vehicles are very repairable

I have been employed in the insurance business for 45 years. The first 5 years
in the business, I was in claims. Despite the salvage guaranteed buy, we wanted to
total vehicles to avoid customers coming back again and again with more problems
from the original costly repair.

Back to Topic: This Vespa is obviously totaled as already posted above.
I have no mechanical ability and would not take it.

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Agreed that this is, for all intents and purposes, totaled. If you need an engine, this would be a great chance to get one. If you need a scooter, hard pass.
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Good if a frame could be found
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Good if a frame could be found
Is the amount of work to swap everything over to a new frame worth it? If you were to pay someone else, definitely no. If you did it yourself then its down to how much you value your time, what you are being offered for this insurance write-off and how much a new frame would cost. Also, what would the end result be worth.

There's got to be better projects out there.
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Is the amount of work to swap everything over to a new frame worth it? If you were to pay someone else, definitely no. If you did it yourself then its down to how much you value your time, what you are being offered for this insurance write-off and how much a new frame would cost. Also, what would the end result be worth.

There's got to be better projects out there.
Wot he sed.

My Vespa guru is in the autobody trade and rebuilt a totalled scoot into a new frame.
He said he would never do it again.
You have to strip down completely and re-assemble as in the factory...
without the equipment.

Seller should part it out.
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That's a bucket of parts now, unfortunately.

The only other reason I could see someone wanting it is if they really know what they're doing when it comes to bodywork, they have a lot of spare time, and really want a tough challenge to play around with. That does happen (and it's pretty cool when folks post projects like that), but not very often.
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Shame you can't get the upper legshield as a repair panel that has been available for the older GT/GTS models; it would make that repair more viable assuming that the steering tube and/or fork isn't out of whack. Even if you decided to try and repair that panel, you'd likely have to drill out the welds and pull the upper shield off the scoot in order to address the bucked metal without having the steering tube in the way. And odds say it won't line back up when you try to refit it.

Swapping into a new frame wouldn't be horrible, since there's less stuff in an LX chassis than there is in a GT/GTS. Just swapped the harness in an LX project and it wasn't too bad with the fuel tank out and the rear shock removed; you'll need to be able to pivot the engine to push the back half or the harness into the engine bay.
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How could that steering rod not be out of shape?
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Der Blechfahrer wrote:
How could that steering rod not be out of shape?
My wild guess is this was 'under the rear car bumper' slide-in, nose to tail collision type. Forceful enough to bend the leg shield but not strong enough to bend the steering column pipe.
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Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
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Awww... Poor little thing. If I had it, I'd repair it by my own hands.
Funny how we get varying respones depending of country of residence
Some of my old country men in the Mediterranean would also willfully oblige to take this on as a project challenge and I'm sure most of the Vespa fans with know-how in the South East Asian countries too.
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My wild guess is this was 'under the rear car bumper' slide in collision type. Forceful enough to bend the leg shield but not strong enough to bend the steering column pipe.
I agree. There's about 11cm of open chassis between the "nose" of the upper shield and the steering tube where that impact occurred. You'd have to pull the glovebox and floorboard to see if the chassis tunnel buckled in order to determine if the steering tube was misaligned and inspect the tube itself for signs of deformation.

The part that is concerning is lower on the legshield; you can see where the welds that hold the upper and lower shield together popped from the impact. That's some serious distortion of the upper shield and would be hard to straighten without removing it.
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Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
Being able to limp it home is not the same as taking it up to 65-70 on the interstate. I would be willing to bet that bike handles less than ideal once you get it over five miles an hour.
There are places where it would be fixed and resold. Find out how much it costs to ship it to Vietnam.
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that's a parts bike now. might be able to scrape about 5~800 off it if you were patient, but used parts are in the shitter right now.
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When I see a front end total like this, I consider that it was in use when it stopped. Everything behind the damage is good. It has a complete engine, transmission, it might have a throttle body and Keyset, seat, headlamp/guage assembly, assorted lights, a couple of wheels, a muffler, etc, etc..... all presumably good and working
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colosseo wrote:
Seller says that it drivable. After the accident, he drove it for about 10 miles home
Who cares? If you want to buy it for parts, that's one thing. More power to you. But that should NOT be bought as a rideabler fixerupper because it is totaled. Don't let them upsale you on it for that reason
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Yep
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That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
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steelbytes wrote:
That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
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Sell the engine and trans. Put the scoot in the bar/man cave as a talking point. Use the pet carrier as an in situ ice bucket/beer cooler.
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steelbytes wrote:
That is what is called an ex-vespa 😭
I know a dead Vespa when I see on and I'm looking at one right now.
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As a shop, what you don't want is someone to drag that thing in and expect a free repair estimate.

We had a mechanic working for us who had a great way of keeping them from spending time in the service department.

"Unbolt the seat, lift it up, and put another bike under it.
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Motovista wrote:
As a shop, what you don't want is someone to drag that thing in and expect a free repair estimate.

We had a mechanic working for us who had a great way of keeping them from spending time in the service department.

"Unbolt the seat, lift it up, and put another bike under it.
That falls under the "don't even take it off the truck" line.

Followed by, a back and forth and they need an estimate for insurance purposes. Fine. 4 hours of labor cash up front. you pick it up the same day the estimate is done, otherwise it's $100 a day to store it. No exceptions, no grace period. After 7 days I'll file a lien and own it.
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There are places where it would be fixed and resold. Find out how much it costs to ship it to Vietnam.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PI6722835-Fairing-Shield-Front-and-Primer-PIAGGIO-Vespa-GTS-Super-300-2008-2016-/274837639582?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

Piaggio sells the entire front shield. And it's not too unreasonable. It would take some Hella welding skills and a lot of time, and the rest of the steering column would hopefully be intact, but yeah, this would get fixed in other parts of the world where you don't get to own a Vespa unless you can fix something like this.
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Have not heard back from the seller. Wonder what price he has in mind
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Have not heard back from the seller. Wonder what price he has in mind
I'd say that's 5-800 maybe 1k if you're feeling frisky and wanna break it ALL the way down and sit on the parts till you sell them for next to nothing for all of the hassle and then you gotta get rid of the carcass. Even then, with your time and aggravation, you'd come out about even.
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yes it can be fixed, how much cash do you have?
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