Modern Vespa

Thought I'd seen something about this on a BBC programme in the 1970's https://edu.rsc.org/feature/fuelling-the-future-solid-phase-hydrogen-storage/2020153.article

The byproduct of burning hydrogen is dihydrogen monoxide.

If it gets into your lungs it will kill you in minutes.

If you don't believe me, read this:

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE! THE INVISIBLE KILLER

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means death.

Dihydrogen monoxide:
* is also known as hydric acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
* contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
* may cause severe burns.
* contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
* accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
* may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

CONTAMINATION IS REACHING EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS!

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. In the midwest alone DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
* as an industrial solvent and coolant.
* in nuclear power plants.
* in the production of styrofoam.
* as a fire retardant.
* in many forms of cruel animal research.
* in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
* as an additive in "junk-foods" and other food products.

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

THE HORROR MUST BE STOPPED!

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE!

Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous chemical. What you don't know CAN hurt you and others throughout the world.

I doubt (hope) be didn't literally mean burn. I suspect he meant use it in a fuel cell. 🤦‍♂️

Dihydrogen monoxide is chemically represented as H2O.

So yeah, a lungful of that could be problematic, but not from a caustic perspective.

That stuff is very dangerous, especially if used by mistake while at the pub...

It can literally ruin your night...

doh doh doh. egg on face, you got me

guess I should have my coffee before posting

Be careful. Often there are large quantities of dihydrogen monoxide in coffee. Worse, often quantities of bovine derived dihydrogen monoxide are added too.

However....when Hydrogen is combusted in an internal combustion engine the only by-product that comes out of the exhaust is water. Good old H2O! Nothing else.

Hydrogen production is rapidly changing to use 'green energy' to produce it. This means almost zero carbon to produce it. No longer will oil or gas be used to manufacture it. Just wind or solar electricity. This will be a game changer. This most likely means most jet aircraft will be powered by hydrogen which mean no carbon will be produced, just water as the motors run.

I think what's needed now is a Time Machine.

Go into the future and find out which fuel of the future actually will be the Fuel of the Future and then come back to ensure all the other forms of propulsion are quietly forgotten about.

Would this change history or would it have happened regardless, because of Time Travel ?

Electric (battery) and hydrogen fuel cells can and probably will both exist throughout this century.

Infact they'd even work well together in a single vehicle as a hybrid.

Some forms of transport will be dominated by one of these and other forms of transport the other.

Horses for courses.

This is the way to go. Electric is simply not a sufficient source.

Hydrogen also has the advantage of being available to every country. No trading our oil masters for lithium/cobalt/nickel masters. No trading multiple companies competing for my fossil fuel dollar for a state directed politically influenced monopoly power company.

While you're there, get me the lotto numbers for next week. I'm happy to go halves.

And rethink that post you made next week which got you banned.

And the extra bit of battery news is the probable switch, at least in part to Sodium Ion batteries. These are lighter, safer, have charge & discharge advantages. No lithium involved & sodium is more plentiful & it's everywhere.

This?

However, right now it's mostly made by steam reformulation from natural gas. Even the proposed cleaner methods still require the H2 to be compressed for storage, with the requisite energy input to do so.

Basically, it's an energy storage medium rather than a fuel, since you get less energy from burning it (even in fuel cells) than it takes to produce it.

The big problems with H2 as an aviation fuel are its low density and the need for pressurized storage -- which means that it doesn't fit well into conventional aircraft designs.

Exhibit A.

The switch to green hydrogen is coming faster than you think. Green hydrogen overcomes the issues with production. It perfect for aircraft and Rolls Royce are already developing the first jet engines to use it. Others too are at the development stage. Carrying hydrogen in the aircraft will require some modifications but this can be done and new aircraft will be already fitted out. Some will undoubtedly use catalysers to produce the hydrogen so that's even easier.

The reason using hydrogen is so important for aircraft is that electric won't cut the ice. Small aircraft can use electric but the jetliners won't be able to get the power or duration needed to go intercontinental.

Currently, aircraft worldwide produce just over half the amount of CO2 that all the cars in the world produce. It's predicted in 10 years aircraft CO2 emissions will equal the CO2 from all cars or exceed it. But there is a much bigger problem with the aircraft produced CO2. Because the biggest amount of CO2 is produced by the big jet liners at 30,000+ feet the CO2 stays in the upper atmosphere for very long periods, even years and cannot be absorbed by plants, trees, oceans as the Jet-stream winds which circle the planet hold it up there. That's bad news and is very damaging.

So finding a solution to the excessive amount of CO2 that planes produce is crucial if we are to survive. Hydrogen is currently pretty much the only practical solution and, unlike other motor transport, the infrastructure can be put in place very easily at airports.

https://www.motociclismo.it/scooter-idrogeno-motore-elettrico-mob-ion-78783

^^^^ Interesting. Presumably a magnesium hydride tank. Unless they've come up with something new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_tank#Metal_hydride_storage_tank

How is this different from literally any form of fuel, battery, or other method of energy storage?
Seriously, entropy demands that any transformation between chemistry and energy results in "losses".

A h hydro dam is just a nuclear fusion energy store.

Don't worry, there's a Justin Bieber Vespa coming in 2022...

Posted on Vespa Official FB page...

Fossil fuels are energy-positive; that is, they yield more energy in combustion than it takes to extract and refine them, at least for currently-producing reserves.

When produced by steam reformation from methane, hydrogen yields less energy than simply burning the methane (It's still net-positive on energy, but CO2 emissions overall are the same as burning the methane). When produced by electrolysis, it's very energy-negative overall but generates no greenhouse gases - and it's as "green" (or not) as the energy sources used to power the electrolysis. Again, it's an energy storage and transfer medium, not a source of energy itself.

That said, I recall that a few price-spikes ago, there was a proposal (that didn't go anywhere, because prices fell again) to use nuclear power to process Canadian oil shale because its extraction was so energy-intensive. As easily-extracted sources are depleted, this may become viable and necessary at some point.

He already has one... and in yellow... well, at least he picked the right colour...

Justin Beiber vs Lego in 2022. Hard to choose.
http://www.brickfinder.net/2021/11/05/lego-creator-expert-vespa-10298-first-details/

Talking about zero pollution and talking about how to pollute differently is scary, it means that it changes the way people die but not the result.
Vespa news: you have to tell yourself over and over again that the Vespa is what it is precisely because it has been preserved over the years without any big news, so don't expect any short-term changes ... There won't be any.

Looks really painful to step on.

Yes but I think you missed the point Madison was making, not that it matters. But in any event, green hydrogen production is a game changer. Here in europe we already have it but we need much more so factories are already being built to produce it on a mega scale.

Aircraft are the big threat to the world at present regarding CO2 because of the unique way it leaves it's CO2 in the upper atmosphere. As David Attenborough says, "we all need to stop flying so much as it's killing the planet". It's pretty much the worst thing you can do at the moment for the environment due to the unique way it leaves it's CO2 in the upper atmosphere where it stays sometimes for years where no plants can absorb it. Don't forget one gallon (UK) of gas produces approximately 24-26lbs of CO2 and 1 Gallon of water during combustion. All this from a gallon of petrol weighing just 7.4 pounds in weight depending on it's temperature at time of weighing.

It's the socks I am most concerned about here!

Taxi drivers, wear them like that here...

What about the unicorns and the rainbow on the shirt...

Bieber's socks must be 'motorcycling socks'! He wouldn't be so stupid as to ride wearing just ordinary socks, would he?

I think there's a big market for Piaggio electrical products but not everywhere. If I lived in a large city with a 9+ month riding season and either could afford 2 different scooters or didn't do any riding out of town, a snappy electric, especially in a city that was rapidly moving that direction would be the scooter to have.
But I live in small town, central Illinois and I ride a long way between gas pumps sometimes. I mean like there's 1 pump, 1 grade of gas and it's under an awning, takes a credit card, no humans in sight, except occasionally a kid putting coins in the soda vending machine. So, even if I had a fortune, that snazzy electrical scooter wouldn't get to the nearest place with a charging station, the Scheels store in Springfield IL, about 60 miles from my house.

Welp crap now I'm gonna sell my Wotherspoon. I cannot unsee that picture. 10 years ago they went after the hipsters and failed miserably and now this. I am so glad to be removed from that company.

SDG

Same goes for his beanie. It's probably made of some kind of kevlar…

As well as ditching the Toreador Pants in favour of beanie and bare hands, I'm definitely going to start using the Vespa America endorsed two finger over the rear brake technique.

This is who should do a special edition:

True and good. The less they mess with the current design, the more valuable your current scoot remains.

... a scooter is less dangerous than a pair of skis ...In this case.