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I knew before I bought the car that I could put a towing hitch on it, got that price quoted now and will be getting done this winter. Now this old woman wants/needs some suggestions on a small trailer for her small rides, and I actually expect to haul only 1 at a time. The car is a Hyundai Veloster and towing weight limit is 1000 pounds, hitch will be 1.25 inch with tongue weight limit of 100# and yes, I am having it professionally installed. And yes, a single rail type is very much my thought line. I don't want a trailer that upteen people who know me want to borrow… I want to be able to take a scooter down to St. Louis to the dealership for work, or to Michigan Fiber Festival and go check out the area, I was born near there but grew up in Colorado. I want to take it somewhere on vacation and ride around… and eventually I will be retired and so now is the time to plan, budget and pay for the stuff so I can take a ride to go riding.
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Not what your looking for exactly, but it gives you an idea of what's our there. I use this for my scooters and full size motorcycle. My car has a 1000 lb limit also.


https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660343_200660343

You can get something like this also.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/mc-tested-motorcycle-trailer-in-bag/
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Christopher_55934 wrote:
Not what your looking for exactly, but it gives you an idea of what's our there. I use this for my scooters and full size motorcycle. My car has a 1000 lb limit also.


https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660343_200660343

You can get something like this also.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/mc-tested-motorcycle-trailer-in-bag/
Thanks, the bottom 1 has a too heavy tongue weight, but I do like the idea that I can take it apart and store pieces in my under house utility area.
The first is bigger than I want but looks like it belongs on my list for further consideration. We do or did have a shop that does a lot of motor cross and they order in those single rails for people… cuz I was there last summer when a young man and his dad were, with help from shop learning and loading the boy's motor cross bike, which had been there for servicing. Nosy old woman asked questions. And I will check with them when I am in Springfield soon. I will be getting that hitch on by the end of February, will have it paid for sooner but with working days and 6 day weeks, it might be the first day of that already scheduled vacation week the last of February before I can have the car there. So that's time to chase down the other big part to hauling my rides off to play.
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Too heavy of a tongue weight? Are you going to be hauling a 850-pound Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic like the guy in the advertisement?
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You set tongue weight by moving load forward or back and balancing like a teeter totter around the axle. General rule of thumb is to have about 10% of load as tongue weight. Helps to keep enough weight on the hitch to keep it from rattling around and other bad towing characteristics. That trailer says it weights 180lbs, scooter is about 250lbs wet, so about 430 lbs. You should have about 43 lbs tongue weight to keep some weight on the hitch. During my initial setup of a trailer I like to get it loaded, pull it off hitch ball loaded and set it on a scale, weight it. Mark where I am and move as necessary to achieve desired tongue weight. I think your reading the maximum tongue weight, a 2000 lb load would have a 200 lb ish tongue weight.

On my 4x8 trailer, I have my scooters almost all the way forward due to the engine being in the back to keep tongue weight up. Same trailer with my 800lb Indian Chieftain motorcycle I have it back a few inches to keep motor closer to over the axle for weight distribution and to keep tongue weight down.

Empty I buy a 40lb bag or two of water softener salt from my local KwikTrip. Load them towards front, to keep weight on front of trailer for tongue weight, so it doesn't rattle and bounce around on the hitch. Once you've tried it once empty you'll appreciate what a cheap bag of softener salt can accomplish.
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Thanks, the bottom 1 has a too heavy tongue weight, but I do like the idea that I can take it apart and store pieces in my under house utility area.
The first is bigger than I want but looks like it belongs on my list for further consideration. We do or did have a shop that does a lot of motor cross and they order in those single rails for people… cuz I was there last summer when a young man and his dad were, with help from shop learning and loading the boy's motor cross bike, which had been there for servicing. Nosy old woman asked questions. And I will check with them when I am in Springfield soon. I will be getting that hitch on by the end of February, will have it paid for sooner but with working days and 6 day weeks, it might be the first day of that already scheduled vacation week the last of February before I can have the car there. So that's time to chase down the other big part to hauling my rides off to play.
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I think you on to something with the single rail motocross bike set up. Even if you came across a nice used small trailer, you could have a welder build it the way the you want.
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For one scooter, a Joe Hauler Econo Single Hauler is the way to go.

http://www.joehauler.com/singlehaulers/singlehaulers.shtml
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For one scooter, a Joe Hauler Econo Single Hauler is the way to go.

http://www.joehauler.com/singlehaulers/singlehaulers.shtml
Awesome for a class 3, but that won't work on a class 1 or 2 hitch on Maggie's car.
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For one scooter, a Joe Hauler Econo Single Hauler is the way to go.

http://www.joehauler.com/singlehaulers/singlehaulers.shtml
Actually NO, this would reduce the traction/grip my front tires have on the road. Although I do like this I also know it's actually the wrong choice for the car I own and love. But I do appreciate your adding the link, it's not right for me but sure might be for someone else.
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Harbor Freight 4'X4'
Yes! This is probably just what I need! And it's probably something I can move by myself if/when needed. And it's not something very many people I know will ask to borrow to move furniture or their stuff…
I have learned that I either do not get things returned but have to go get them..or they get damaged or, worse, someone borrowing from me and then lending to someone else cuz they are sure I don't mind and don't need it back right away. I am Not nasty and selfish but I work labor in a pork processing plant for that $$ to buy my stuff and if I can, they can also.
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I happened to have a harbor freight 4x8 trailer. I don't ever loan it out, but I could see not very many people asking to borrow a more specialized 4x4 trailer.
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I was just looking. I don't think they sell the 4x4 anymore.
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If it's going to be stored outside, aluminum would be nice. Powder-coating is OK but rust seems to like getting under it. If I was doing it today that's the way I'd go. On any of these, be sure to remove the wheels and grease the bearings. There seems to be a shortage of the stuff in China.
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If it's going to be stored outside, aluminum would be nice. Powder-coating is OK but rust seems to like getting under it. If I was doing it today that's the way I'd go. On any of these, be sure to remove the wheels and grease the bearings. There seems to be a shortage of the stuff in China.
My hubs actually came with grease zerk fittings, on my last Harbor Freight trailer. I had already bought bearing buddies so I put them on.
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