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Took the first ride on my Navi yesterday. It started very easy with the manual choke engaged. It idled and ran very smoothly. It was very peppy off the line. I only took her up to 45 mph, but I think I could have gotten close to 50 at full throttle. It's just a great all around, solid scooter. I'm gonna use it primarily for short trips and to take with me to scooter rallies. I still love my Vespas, but this scoot serves my low speed needs. My granddaughter loved it so much, she cried when my wife tried to take her off of it.
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I see you have already changed the grab handle behind the seat. Any other changes or options? It is hard to tell from the photos, but does the muffler stick out to the side a bit? Just curious.
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I see you have already changed the grab handle behind the seat. Any other changes or options? It is hard to tell from the photos, but does the muffler stick out to the side a bit? Just curious.
You are very observant. Yes, I switched out the rear rack which is a factory accessory and not an aftermarket item. I also have a factory windscreen which I still need to install. The installation is a bit of pain, so I've been procrastinating doing it. Maybe I'll knock it out this weekend. You are also correct that the exhaust does stick out a bit. It's about 3.5 -4" from the fender. Good catch!
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Did a 30 mile ride today with my new Navi. It was a blast to ride. Seems like 47 mph is it's sweet spot. You can cruise all day long on the backroads at 45 mph.
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I have to admit I really like it.
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I can't find anything yet that I don't like about it and I'm looking!
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I see you have already changed the grab handle behind the seat. Any other changes or options? It is hard to tell from the photos, but does the muffler stick out to the side a bit? Just curious.
Someone in a video suggested that it's possible to remove the rear wheel without pulling the exhaust, ostensibly the reason for the pipe's um... lateral location.
Sure would simplify a tire change, if you can live with the lack of clearance on right-handers.
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Did a 30 mile ride today with my new Navi. It was a blast to ride. Seems like 47 mph is it's sweet spot. You can cruise all day long on the backroads at 45 mph.
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What the heck?
I see three scooters and a baby stroller. How is that possible?
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I see three scooters and a baby stroller. How is that possible?
There's actually three big Vespas and a Navi. My GT 200 is out of view in front of the stroller. The stroller is for my granddaughters when we babysit . That's how I can do it…lol.
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Just got off the phone with someone who bought one. They are selling like crazy, and a lot of people want to replace the tires and the CVT components.
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Think how much more attractive the machine would be with a proper sub-saddle Pet Carrier in addition to the little stash box. As it is it might turn the heads of potential Vespa 50 buyers, but not for me.
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Did a 30 mile ride today with my new Navi. It was a blast to ride. Seems like 47 mph is it's sweet spot. You can cruise all day long on the backroads at 45 mph.
Whats your weight.. and whats the max speed you've hit on it?

I am intrigued for a fun little temporary toy, just unfortunate it would be limited to back roads as I would definitely get creamed on the highway commuting into manhattan on that thing!
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Whats your weight.. and whats the max speed you've hit on it?

I am intrigued for a fun little temporary toy, just unfortunate it would be limited to back roads as I would definitely get creamed on the highway commuting into manhattan on that thing!
I weigh approximately 203 lbs. I'm staying away from going full throttle during the 600 mile break in period, but I've had it up to 47 mph so far. Most people are reporting about 50-52 mph with wide open throttle on flats.
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I started riding 15-ish years ago as a broke student on a 50cc two-stroke. Literally only got into this because I needed transportation and couldn't afford a car. This would have been perfect for me then. I would have been all over it. However, I was by far the exception to my other friends...

At this stage, I have transportation covered, and toys covered, so this thing is useless to me unfortunately.

Hopefully somewhere out there a teenage and early 20-something just like I was sees it and jumps on it. But I don't know how many of those are out there.
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I think that Honda have done a very shrewd thing here.

It's a cheap but reliable bike aimed at customers who don't have a lot of money or who need a second bike for running to work or to do errands on.

I like the screen that you fitted by the way.
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Just got off the phone with someone who bought one. They are selling like crazy, and a lot of people want to replace the tires and the CVT components.
I *just* did tires on one and have another lined up this weekend. the gal that did the tires wants a vario so I sent her your way!

fun little bike around the neighborhood.
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I think that Honda have done a very shrewd thing here.

It's a cheap but reliable bike aimed at customers who don't have a lot of money or who need a second bike for running to work or to do errands on.

I like the screen that you fitted by the way.
Thanks! The windscreen looks cool, but I found that it doesn't do much for wind buffeting. It was also a bitch to install.
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Thanks! The windscreen looks cool, but I found that it doesn't do much for wind buffeting. It was also a bitch to install.
my gawd. you were not joking. I just got done doing a screen. a pain in all nine of my assholes.

client wants a whole host of other accessories installed as well, hopefully none are as fiddly as the screen!

but I'll concede, it does look sharp. now, about that exhaust...
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I *just* did tires on one and have another lined up this weekend. the gal that did the tires wants a vario so I sent her your way!

fun little bike around the neighborhood.
When I figured I should get involved when I found out a dealer is selling this Malossi variator, the only Malossi variator for the Honda Navi, for $190 and $9 shipping on ebay.
https://scooterpartsco.com/honda/honda-navi-110/malossi-variator-for-honda-navi-110

I might put together a reasonably priced belt service kit for it too. There are probably brakes and pipes to track down too.
It reminds me of the Elite 80 in the way it was built to be cheap. Honda takes off all the frills, so you get an excellent drum brake in front, instead of the cheapest disk brake setup they can find.
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When I figured I should get involved when I found out a dealer is selling this Malossi variator, the only Malossi variator for the Honda Navi, for $190 and $9 shipping on ebay.
https://scooterpartsco.com/honda/honda-navi-110/malossi-variator-for-honda-navi-110

I might put together a reasonably priced belt service kit for it too. There are probably brakes and pipes to track down too.
It reminds me of the Elite 80 in the way it was built to be cheap. Honda takes off all the frills, so you get an excellent drum brake in front, instead of the cheapest disk brake setup they can find.
exactly! total agreement on all points!

if you can get a decent pipe that's not super spendy people will buy them. the stock pipe leaves much to be desired.

my guess is that people are gonna be into brakes, tires, wheels, pipes and vario kits. dumb people will buy carbs and pod filters that make them run worse, so might as well stock that stuff too. I think it will be kinda of like a ruckus renaissance.
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I'm all for people making a buck on tuning parts but when the vehicle is very much limited by it's capacity and size I really don't see the point.

Want to go fast ? Buy something faster.
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I'm all for people making a buck on tuning parts but when the vehicle is very much limited by it's capacity and size I really don't see the point.

Want to go fast ? Buy something faster.
That's how our generation thinks, but young folks today don't think that way. To them, it's all about the challenge of making something inherently slow, go faster.
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When I figured I should get involved when I found out a dealer is selling this Malossi variator, the only Malossi variator for the Honda Navi, for $190 and $9 shipping on ebay.
https://scooterpartsco.com/honda/honda-navi-110/malossi-variator-for-honda-navi-110

I might put together a reasonably priced belt service kit for it too. There are probably brakes and pipes to track down too.
It reminds me of the Elite 80 in the way it was built to be cheap. Honda takes off all the frills, so you get an excellent drum brake in front, instead of the cheapest disk brake setup they can find.
To find out what parts Navi enthusiasts are looking for, I would recommend following the Honda Navi Riders USA fb group. Lots of good information there on the latest developments in performance parts.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/391477956012095/?ref=share
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exactly! total agreement on all points!

if you can get a decent pipe that's not super spendy people will buy them. the stock pipe leaves much to be desired.

my guess is that people are gonna be into brakes, tires, wheels, pipes and vario kits. dumb people will buy carbs and pod filters that make them run worse, so might as well stock that stuff too. I think it will be kinda of like a ruckus renaissance.
Navi folks are also looking for better rear shocks and different wheel options for sure.
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Next stop, Bologna…
This is going to be the scooter that Malossi uses to develop products for the Honda Navi. We, or they, were hoping to get it to them before they closed for August, but these things are very hard to track down. After riding this one around the parking lot, I have no idea why.
When I went to pick it up, I saw another red one and asked if it is mine. There was a kid working at the dealership who's 17 years old, and he told me it was his. Seems he wants to modify it a bit. I don't blame him. They are dogs. So I'm going to give him one of the two variators that fit the Navi and see what he can do as far as a youtube video. If it works out, there will be youtube videos out as Malossi products become available for the Navi. It's neat to see how they develop performance products for particular models and be part of the process.
In the years I've been distributing Malossi parts, I've never seen a product sell like the Malossi variator that sort of fits the Navi, if you remove a couple bolts and replace them with different bolts.
The photo was taken in my hellhole, not at Malossi. They are a lot better organized than our place is.
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After putting almost 1,100 miles on my Honda Navi, I've been very pleased with its stock performance. It does exactly what I bought it for….daily trips to the Y and picking up items at the local stores. Top speed on my bike is 50 mph, so I don't use it on roads greater than 45 mph. It's no fun getting tailgated on 50+ mph roads. I have a 2021 300 Super for all my other two wheel needs. No regrets on my purchase.
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Local dealer is marketing the Navi to the Uber Eats delivery crowd. Considering we're the biggest city in the country and these guys are zipping around everywhere on chinese e-scooters that fail on them all the time, I really like the positioning. Whenever I get a call to go help out a broken down chinese e-scoot and they tell me they want something more reliable I point out to them that the Navi, with $0 down, can be had for $12/week payments (about $9.30 US) ever since I saw the local dealer advertising it that way.

I think it's not a great option for most motorcycle and scooter enthusiasts, but for people who just need reliable transportation with a strong dealer network that can get them next-day or same-day parts because they rely on their vehicle for their employment it's a great option.
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For reasons that make sense to her, Christi has been listening to Honda Navi Youtube videos and I've been eavesdropping. The most accurate one seems to be by a guy who has a channel called Life of Burch. Apparently they are starting to flood the used market, and if you watch his video, you will see why.
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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The Navi has left the building.

If you are ever considering shipping an untitled scooter from the US to Europe, it's the stuff nightmares are made of.
One person is picking it up here and taking it to Atlanta. Another person is packing it for shipment and putting it in a container. Yet a third will put it on a boat. Once it gets to Italy, they will find my ex-wife in the box. Hopefully, I made enough air holes.
I rode the Navi a total of 19 miles, and I'm more convinced than ever that nobody will ever understand the US scooter market. People like the Navi because it's $1800. But you can't buy them for that. OTD is 2300-2600 depending on where you are. So people buy the cheapest scooter they possibly can and then sink thousands of dollars into making it what it would be if you didn't pay $1800 for it in the first place. It's 2022 and the bike has front and rear drum brakes. The 1960s wants their carburetor back. It looks like it came on a CT55 from 1964 and has a manual choke. I can imagine someone at Keihin walking back to the very far reaches of an enormous warehouse and pulling out a box of carbs left over from some Honda Dream Project that never made it to market. There's no left brake lever, it's a foot lever. And yet the thing sat for a few months and then did what Hondas do when you turn the key on and hit the button. It started and ran like the day it came home with me.
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Atypical Canadian
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I thought I would make this year's winter beater a Honda Navi because you can get them for $1500 CAD now used with only a couple thousand kilometers.

That's $1,100 USD with only only a couple thousand freedom miles in American.
Motovista wrote:
So people buy the cheapest scooter they possibly can and then sink thousands of dollars into making it what it would be if you didn't pay $1800 for it in the first place.
That's the motorcycle industry in a nutshell.

Every week I have customers buying absolute shitbox 80s japanese motorcycles that they picked up for a couple thousand dollars, just to spend a couple thousand dollars on tires and service to get the motorcycle to run halfway right. They end up being a few thousand dollars into what is still a forty year old motorcycle that is still too beat up to be worth what they've invested in it.

They could have gotten a really nice used bike for all that money. Shit, I just bought a basically flawless GTS250ie with only 2k km (1.25k miles) for $3450 cad ($2,500 greenbacks), or about one new Navi + $200.

Really curious to hear more about your adventure shipping a bike to Italy though, as that's what we plan on doing by April/May depending on what happens with the dog... How did it go? Was by sea much cheaper than by air?
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2022 Honda PCX 150A, 2018 GTS300 [sold] & 2015 GTS300 Super [sold]
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If you are going to get a Navi and spend thousands upgrading it, just get a PCX 150. Mine is stock, and it rocks (so far). 80+ mpg and 65 mph is a nice combo.
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