Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:56 am

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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:56 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
To quote my dear departed Dad, "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."
My dad used that line all the time too! I find it slipping out of my mouth on occasion now...
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:02 am

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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Location: Veria, Greece
 
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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:02 am linkquote
There's a chance you can convert the one you got to a "serial" one (I can't guarantee it cause I don't know if the spirals on the coils are the same). Remove the red wire (black X), cut the grounded side from the first pair and bridge it to the second pair. The other end with the yellow wire is now the second blue...



Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:51 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:51 am linkquote
Thanks!

This is the old Stella Stator. I think the ground has been floated on this one.



Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:11 am

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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:11 am linkquote
What is wrong with the old Stella stator?

I have a Stella stator removed off mine that I don't need. I'll send it to you if you want it.

From the 2005 Stella so it has the pickup arm that sticks out the top above the flywheel.



Old photo. I've actually ground the arm a bit so I could adjust the timing without the arm hitting the case where it passes up and out.
Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:29 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:29 am linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
What is wrong with the old Stella stator?

I have a Stella stator removed off mine that I don't need. I'll send it to you if you want it.

From the 2005 Stella so it has the pickup arm that sticks out the top above the flywheel.



Old photo. I've actually ground the arm a bit so I could adjust the timing without the arm hitting the case where it passes up and out.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I'm not sure if that Stator would be compatible with the flywheel I have.

There may be nothing wrong with my original Stator. I bought it just in case because I had some electrical issues and didn't want to get stuck waiting for one. I will just run it and see how it goes.

I spent yesterday evening on odds and ends like getting the bracket for the CDI from the 200 to fit on the Stella engine case, adjusting cables, etc. Hopefully it will start tonight.

For jets I put in:

Main-122
Mixer-BE4
AC-140
Idle-55/160

Gotta start somewhere and gotta actually quit dicking around and START the bike.

The new garage is an absolute wreck as I keep unloading stuff from the old garage. When I get this buttoned up, I have a lot of setting up to do.
Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:41 am

Molto Verboso
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Location: northern New York
 
Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:41 am linkquote
What size/socket are the Stella signal light bulbs. Trying to order LEDs from work and can't find the info anywhere.

Thanks!
Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:44 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:44 am linkquote
Amber T20 21W incandescent, so you'll need to order a new turn signal flasher, too.
Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:51 am

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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:51 am linkquote
my list of LED equivalent bulbs for all the lighting on the stella:

Stella 2T power consumption - led.pdf
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:34 pm

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:34 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
my list of LED equivalent bulbs for all the lighting on the stella:
Thank you!
Found them.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:26 pm

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:26 pm linkquote
Finally! It started right up.

It spluttered…which I expected. So now I just keep trying smaller main jets until it revs out cleanly? Started with a 122.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:45 pm

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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3163
Location: Florence, OR
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:45 pm linkquote
What?!? No first start video??? Well, congratulations anyway!
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:50 pm

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:50 pm linkquote
qascooter wrote:
What?!? No first start video??? Well, congratulations anyway!
Thanks. Timing was right on too and all the lights work.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:09 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:09 am linkquote
From my reading, I should reduce the main til it revs out cleanly without spluttering at WOT. 4 stroking at low revs is normal as long as it clears when revs go up.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:52 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:52 am linkquote
I must admit, I'm really excited at this point even though there isn't much of riding season left. The leaves are just starting to change here and if I get in some nice leaf peeping rides, I will consider that better than good. In getting the Stella going, I feel confident in my engine building abilities…at least for a stocker and maybe some of the basics of tuning.

In the course of getting a couple engines going and doing a complete rebuild, I ended up replacing a lot of other stuff; fuel tap and lines, a cable or two, some wiring, front caliper and MC, speedo cable and gear, plus lots of cable adjustments. It felt like a summer of Vespa boot camp, with a few sessions of VW air cooled special forces training thrown in.

I think future builds will be more straightforward and I'm already eyeing the 200 for a winter project. Some important lessons I have learned: Don't pull apart everything and throw it into bins and baggies in the basement. Don't throw those bins and baggies and a scooter carcass in a bus and drive them all to another state halfway through an engine build. Put the engine on the bench and leave it there until it's done. Sorry to write a novel.


A longing look at the Stella all in one piece as I headed out for work. It's finally stopped raining here. Shoulda called in sick.

Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:03 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:03 am linkquote
Great to see you're finally getting on the road!

Be careful riding on leaves. Those suckers make the road slippery as hell, especially if there's even the tiniest bit of moisture on the road.

And don't forget I might have written a word or two about carb tuning in the wiki...
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:34 am

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Molto Verboso
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:34 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Great to see you're finally getting on the road!

Be careful riding on leaves. Those suckers make the road slippery as hell, especially if there's even the tiniest bit of moisture on the road.

And don't forget I might have written a word or two about carb tuning in the wiki...
Thanks! I'm all over that Wiki. It's a good one.

When I had my scooter in the late 80's, it was my only transportation. I rode it from March to December. I have a vivid memory of wiping out on wet leaves.

I may have mentioned during one of my rides, I came across slices of ham strewn across the road in the middle of nowhere. A strange an slippery omen.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 am linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Thanks! I'm all over that Wiki. It's a good one.

When I had my scooter in the late 80's, it was my only transportation. I rode it from March to December. I have a vivid memory of wiping out on wet leaves.

I may have mentioned during one of my rides, I came across slices of ham strewn across the road in the middle of nowhere. A strange an slippery omen.
That's just more evidence to support my theory that Greasy & BN are eventually going to invent or come into possession of a time machine, then form a band whose music is so amazing that it leads to world peace and a scoot-tastic, utopian global society.

But no pressure, guys!
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:49 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:49 pm linkquote
Didn't get to far with jetting as I don't have the selections of mains I thought I did.

Just for fun I threw in a 115, which is the next smallest size that I have. (140AC, BE4, 55/160 idle)

It spluttered until about 4000rpm then picked up suddenly at maybe 3/4 throttle.

It originally had a 112 main, BE4, 160AC, 42/160 idle. It ran great, but I guess the idle jet was too lean.

Trying to figure out what direction to go in with what I have in hand so I can get through my road test. I will order more jets in the meantime.

Thanks.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:28 pm

Hooked
2005 Stellalossi 177 Fe
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Location: MA
 
Hooked
2005 Stellalossi 177 Fe
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:28 pm linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Didn't get to far with jetting as I don't have the selections of mains I thought I did.

Just for fun I threw in a 115, which is the next smallest size that I have. (140AC, BE4, 55/160 idle)

It spluttered until about 4000rpm then picked up suddenly at maybe 3/4 throttle.

It originally had a 112 main, BE4, 160AC, 42/160 idle. It ran great, but I guess the idle jet was too lean.

Trying to figure out what direction to go in with what I have in hand so I can get through my road test. I will order more jets in the meantime.

Thanks.
If you have a BE5 mixer tube, try that. Not all small blocks need or want a BE4.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:55 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:55 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
That's just more evidence to support my theory that Greasy & BN are eventually going to invent or come into possession of a time machine, then form a band whose music is so amazing that it leads to world peace and a scoot-tastic, utopian global society.

But no pressure, guys!
who's to say we haven't already?
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Nashville
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
who's to say we haven't already?
My world is pretty scoot-tastic, but y'all are definitely slackin' on the World Peace, amigo.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:05 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:05 am linkquote
Still spluttery with 140/Be5/115. Sound like 4 stroking up to almost WOT and then it pulls.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:00 pm

Molto Verboso
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:00 pm linkquote
Tried the original main stack with the 55/160 idle jet. It didn't seem to make any difference. I'm confused…
Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:12 am

Molto Verboso
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Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:12 am linkquote
I switched to a BE3 (160 AC/112 Main)
and a leaner idle jet (42/140).

I should have made one change at a time. Lots of 4 stroking and spluttering still until maybe 2/3? throttle, but rideable this time…it will actually accelerate. It pulled 4th gear nicely and I actually got out on the road a little, but took it really easy and kept an eye on CHT's.

One thing I did notice…Turning the mixture screw all the way in would not kill the engine with either idle jet and I did test for air leaks.

Thanks.





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