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Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:36:32 +0000 quote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
I ask because, I had a large room 24' x 36' I couldn't heat, winter in Minnesota. Once I put thick plastic on ceiling as an air and vapor barrier, I had to turn pellet burner down from running wide open to low. Room was 100°+, by the time I had plastic up and taped seams on far end of shop. Some tape to seal up seams and stop air escaping can help a lot.
I was thinking that. No finished ceiling, but low rafters where I have my "booth". I can do a tarp ceiling no problem. If it works in Minnesota cold, it will work here. Thanks for the tip.
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Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:59:38 +0000 quote
Pellet stove in a room with a plastic sheet for a ceiling.

What could possibly go wrong?
🙂
Careful I'm there.
Tho I am excited to see the results… of the priming work.
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Lol. I don't have a pellet stove, but the propane heater works well. I will turn it off before spraying and turn it back on once the space is ventilated.
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Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:04:59 +0000 quote
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Pellet stove in a room with a plastic sheet for a ceiling.

What could possibly go wrong?
🙂
Careful I'm there.
Tho I am excited to see the results… of the priming work.
LOL, no plastic was harmed in installation of ceiling.

You can get modern corn burners, that even your insurance, company will approve of. Safer than wood stove that I had as a kid, that would spit a red hot coal out of door at least once a day when opened.

https://magnumheat.com/products/magnum-winchester-stove/



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Ever step back and look at what you're working on and wonder whether you were crazy? It happens to me from time to time and I see whatever project from the perspective of a normal person. Then I get back to work.

Anyhoo, this should be workable. It holds heat much better with a tarp on the ceiling. Just need a day that's a little bit warmer and no one at home to bug me.




I think it's ready for primer…You can't paint that, it's only original once.

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Ever step back and look at what you're working on and wonder whether you were crazy? It happens to me from time to time and I see whatever project from the perspective of a normal person.
Yes.
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I think it's ready for primer…You can't paint that, it's only original once.
I have a lot of questions about the second image.
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Ever step back and look at what you're working on and wonder whether you were crazy? It happens to me from time to time and I see whatever project from the perspective of a normal person. Then I get back to work.
I quit making that mistake years ago. Saves me asking questions I already know the answer to.
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I quit making that mistake years ago. Saves me asking questions I already know the answer to.
Lol. You were one of the first people I thought of.

Years ago, it was a serious question, but I haven't worried about it for a long time.
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Wed, 18 Jan 2023 13:42:24 +0000 quote
Ever save boxes of random hardware for years and years thinking someday it will have some use?

And the day comes, when not only do you need something that you have been saving since the Clinton administration, but that you actually lay your peanut buttery fingers on these items within ten minutes? It happened to me last night, vindicating my decades of compulsive hoarding.

Found some beefy swing hangers to suspend the scooter chassis from the garage rafters, so I can prime it without moving it. I kept all the hardware from when I took down the kids swing set years ago. A lot of the metal and wood has been recycled for projects.


Last dents worked out. This should end up filler free.

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you can't tease that story and not show us the gear in use!
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you can't tease that story and not show us the gear in use!
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Wed, 18 Jan 2023 17:05:58 +0000 quote
It's not that exciting, but sure. I will post some pics tonight.
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Gonna put it on its side to prime the bottom, then lift it to get the rest.





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It's not that exciting, but sure. I will post some pics tonight.
Well - nothing is on fire yet.
Give it time.
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Well - nothing is on fire yet.
Give it time.
And keep a fire extinguisher on hand close by.
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Well - nothing is on fire yet.
Give it time.
Hopefully not until it is burning up the roads with its blazing speed.

I always have a couple fire extinguishers ready to go. I carry 2 in the bus. Im not wild about paint fumes. Primer is not that bad. Urethane is another story.
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Well - nothing is on fire yet.
Give it time.
It'll solve your "it's cold in here" problem, too.
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Back in a past age, a friend and I had a small paint and body shop. I did most of the body work, he was the painter, mainly because he was much better at it. We shot lacquer for the most part, but when Dupont Imron urethane came out, we used some of that on cars whose clients wanted metal flake. Boy, big differences between lacquer and Imron and that's when we set up a breather hose for the painter. That stuff is hard on the lungs.
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Back in a past age, a friend and I had a small paint and body shop. I did most of the body work, he was the painter, mainly because he was much better at it. We shot lacquer for the most part, but when Dupont Imron urethane came out, we used some of that on cars whose clients wanted metal flake. Boy, big differences between lacquer and Imron and that's when we set up a breather hose for the painter. That stuff is hard on the lungs.
I have sprayed urethane outside or with the garage doors wide open. I cover up and wear a fresh charcoal respirator. I don't paint all that much. It has never made me feel unwell. I think the biggest risk if for people who do it for a living.
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The 2k paints are also reformulated to be a LOT less hazardous than previous iterations.

I wear a respirator when I paint, plus have a big box fan running on high speed as an exhaust fan and have never felt sick.

Well, not from the fumes. From looking at my paint work, though, definitely.
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Fri, 20 Jan 2023 17:09:33 +0000 quote
Respirator's a must with 2k. I'd recommend full face.
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I'm not full-face, but I keep the air in the paint booth pretty well cleared out. I'll pick one up before the next time I shoot paint, though.
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Yeah, if you have fans pulling the spray down and out, full face isn't totally necessary. But the last time I got overspray in the eyes I was staggering around the garage like the Phantom of the Opera ... it was no bueno.
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Yeah, if you have fans pulling the spray down and out, full face isn't totally necessary. But the last time I got overspray in the eyes I was staggering around the garage like the Phantom of the Opera ... it was no bueno.
I definitely haven't had that happen to me. I'm planning Paint Booth 2.0 for when I do my mint Stella and the Smallstate. It'll be a better space, plus adding a second fan, so one low, one high. It'll be more of a left-to-right pull as a result, but more airflow == better in my mind.
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Fri, 20 Jan 2023 17:48:28 +0000 quote
Exactly right. One up high to pull fresh air in, another beneath where your spraying to suck the overspray out.
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Exactly right. One up high to pull fresh air in, another beneath where your spraying to suck the overspray out.
Yay, me!
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Fri, 20 Jan 2023 19:24:23 +0000 quote
Painting is something I would like to get reasonably good at, partly because it's so expensive. Prep takes a lot of time but is basically grunt work. Having a good gun hand is harder, but is the quickest part of the whole job.

Seems when I test the gun on an old trash can, it flows out perfectly but as soon as I point it at whatever project, I lose all motor coordination. The moment is just too much. Oh, to live in my head.
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It's supposed to be 38* here tomorrow. That's Tyvek thong weather around here. I should be able to keep it warm enough for primer. I will have to play hooky from work though. Just gotta get this done.
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I had a rough time with the primer. I spent a lot of the day stripping the last parts (gas tank top, gas cap, taillight bracket) and getting everything really clean with panel wipe. Took way longer than expected.

I had a lot of problems with the paint gun. It's an old style siphon feed and I was using a pancake compressor so it would come out heavily or not at all. I think I should have used my big compressor. Then the scooter slipped while I was hoisting it and got dented. It was getting late so I just got the primer on the best I could. I didn't have the time or space to do anything other than the chassis. It will get another coat after sanding.

The heater/lights worked well and the dent is almost fixed. Nothing caught fire.


First the dent…





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It looks like those lights are keeping the frame toasty warm.
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It looks like those lights are keeping the frame toasty warm.
Definitely. It's in the basement now, which is warm and dry. It's cured enough to not produce fumes. Makes it a lot easier because I will only have to heat the garage space while applying the primer.
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Hopefully my next day in the "paint booth" will go better. I will have to figure out what went wrong with the paint gun and get an earlier start. I wish I could use a smaller jamb gun, but they often don't have a big enough tip.

I missed some spots on top, but the underside and wheel well are well coated. It all gets sanded anyway and I am going to do some seam sealing before recoating.


Nice to have a big basement. The missus never goes down there and doesn't care what goes on.



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That frame looks pretty darn good to me, amigo. Hammer that dent back out, skim coat any spots you think need it, and get some paint on it.

What size tip are you using? The Summit Racing house brand paints I've used call for like a 1.2 for top coat and 1.4 (IIRC) for hi-build primer.
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Wow. Looking good. Sorry about the dent. Happens. :-/
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Wow. Looking good. Sorry about the dent. Happens. :-/
If you want to feel better about your work and progress to date, go re-read the paint section of my 63 GL thread.
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If you want to feel better about your work and progress to date, go re-read the paint section of my 63 GL thread.
Will do. I think the tip is 1.6. It is for heavy materials like latex paint. Maybe I will experiment with drilling out the tip of one of my cheap jamb guns. I'm definitely not going to do the topcoat. I can do good prep though.

The dent is mostly out. A little work with a dolly and slapper and it will be gone.
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If you want to feel better about your work and progress to date, go re-read the paint section of my 63 GL thread.
Actually, it did make me feel better. Pretty much the kind of experience I have every time I paint. I would try topcoating, but I know it would be a shitshow unless I waited until spring and I want to keep it moving along.
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The first rule of primer: Don't worry about how it looks. It's primer! The important thing is to get good adhesion. Yours looks fine.

Never been a fan of hanging the scoot when spraying. Too hard to keep it stable (as you found out) and get good angles on everything. I shoot the underside and the belly, let it set up, then flip it and do the rest. Everyone has their own technique.
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The first rule of primer: Don't worry about how it looks. It's primer! The important thing is to get good adhesion. Yours looks fine.

Never been a fan of hanging the scoot when spraying. Too hard to keep it stable (as you found out) and get good angles on everything. I shoot the underside and the belly, let it set up, then flip it and do the rest. Everyone has their own technique.
Yeah, the hanging thing didn't go as planned. The bottom is well coated so I won't have to do that again. I have gravity feed with a 1.4 needle. That should work better.
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Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
Joined: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:32:14 +0000
Posts: 1754
Location: northern New York
Fri, 27 Jan 2023 13:45:21 +0000 quote
How that the chassis is in primer, I can better see the little things left to fix.

I noticed that the floor boards tend to have gaps between the tunnel flange and the floor itself. The flange is straight, but the floor dips and creates gaps between the spot welds and also around where the side stand bolts go through it. I think this is caused by the way the frame is spot welded and flexing of the frame and use of the side stand over the years.

Yesterday, I dug the remaining rust out of these pockets with a small pick. I'm going to get some more Ospho in there, apply some epoxy primer with a foam brush. Then I will hammer that joint back together and seam seal.

I think it would a good idea to add the reinforcement plate underneath and the reinforcement tabs above the side stand bolts.




I will either make this or buy it if I'm too lazy.


And these.

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