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So managed to get the speedo from SIP today, threw it on the PX, looks great but couldn't make it work without a battery hooked up to the setup…

Ray8, unfortunately the speedo doesn't even power on with a 9v battery, unless I'm missing something. but it did worked with a 12v battery (something tells me it needs around 10v becos the instructions did mention to measure the headlight positive and look for 10.5-12.5v)

So back to square one. I hooked the speedo and ac converter (included with the speedo) according to the instructions and the video… so black box connected to the headlight, but voltage was around 7-8v… counter measures 800rpm (that was when it was powered with the 12v battery)

But disconnected the battery and there's no counter… switches off…

am I missing something?

I've taken away the horn and the starter safety switch… would that make a difference??
That 9v battery suggestion was for the 9v speedo you were considering before. If you only have 7-8vac at the headlight something else is going on. Explains the weak headlight!
Look for a regulator between there and the headlight wire from the stator and test it.

If you're ok with the headlight as it is, simplest thing (and most reliable 12v dc) would be to use a battery similar to this one and tuck it under the horncast like you mentioned.

https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Capacity-Rechargeable-Replacement-Equipments/dp/B077Y9HNTF/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=small%2B12%2Bvolt%2Brechargeable%2Bbattery&qid=1646414862&sr=8-8&th=1
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I'm almost positive the regulated 12 volts leaves that BGM regulator from one of the yellow wires on the right front plug. It's not the yellow wire that goes back to the regulator, but the yellow wire that leaves the regulator and go towards the wiring loom. Check with a multimeter for 12 volts or less.

The instructions above for the KOSO converter shows which wires are input and output.
KOSO converter red input wire to that yellow wire from bike's regulator.
KOSO converter black ground wire to ground behind regulator screw.
KOSO converter brown output wire to speedo red wire.
KOSO converter black ground wire to speedo black wire.
Speedo brown rev wire to same regulator yellow wire but at a different place.

If you go this route, start pulling wires early because it may take a while.
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Ahhh I must have thought you were running a VAPE ignition. Rowdy has you sorted for which wires attach to what. I got the info from him when I was hooking mine up too.
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Also, the speedo having a typical regulator we are use to is wrong, too. The black box is the speedo computer and has something in it to make sure it does not fry from too much power but not a typical regulator.
Yours is an older version? Was hoping they solved that issue with earlier incarnations.

The power box's description says 12v AC/DC to 4v DC regulator.
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Yours is an older version? Was hoping they solved that issue with earlier incarnations.

The power box's description says 12v AC/DC to 4v DC regulator.
There's a difference between guessing what the description means vs. actually using an item and knowing how to make it work. Nerd emoticon
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If you plan on using the temp sensor on the speedo you'll have to run the small wire provided from the Black box to motor spark plug. You do have options of where you want to place the black box. Some place it in the headset, some place it under the horncast and some place it at the back of scooter on the battery/regulator side. I didn't like mine in the headset so I ran the main large wire provided to the back and placed the black box near bike's regulator. Easier for me to get to. Don't know if you will have room in headset for black box and KOSO converter.

Just finishing the wiring as I wait for the converter (courier office was closed on Saturday. Forgot about that…)

But the temp sensor actually runs from the speedo and not the black box…

Information correction…

It's possible to have everything in the headset, it's just really tight… but will run the black box from the back just to free up some space…
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Wired the Koso converter up according to the instructions, after a lot of testing to double check power and make sure the speedo was wired up properly…

And it works (kinda)!! A steady 12.8v comes out…

BUT!!!! Speedo only turns on if the headlights are switched off….

Or I hit 1700 revs at idle, which isn't ideal…

Measured the volts out of the converter when the lights are on and the speedo is connected, and it fluctuates between 9-12V

Wondering if I've missed anything, or could I re-wire the lights to pull power from the koso converter? Or would that just be the same result?
Ended up tidying up the temporary looking crocodile clips after this pic, as I got disheartened with the results… lol
Ended up tidying up the temporary looking crocodile clips after this pic, as I got disheartened with the results… lol
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I would not rewire any wire from the bike's wiring harness. It seems you've connected the KOSO power to a wire that's effected by that headlight switch.

I sent you a PM.
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Just adding an updated wiring diagram.

Battery, starter motor etc has been stripped out.

Attached with a BGM regulator
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For reference on the stator side
From the stator wires, White goes to black, yellow to blue… light blue is insulated off
From the stator wires, White goes to black, yellow to blue… light blue is insulated off
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