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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:22:41 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:22:41 +0000 linkquote
Happy Halloween to one and all,

I had a run of bad luck with my 2016 Vespa GTS this past summer. The latest issue seems to be an oil leak which my local moto shop has diagnosed as a bad oil sensor. (They think the oil is leaking out of the sensor.) They have ordered a new one for me and told me I should be able to continue riding as long as I keep good tabs on the oil levels. It has been running quite well though the oil light does give me the creeps.

The good juju seemed to end the other day when I rode for about 2 hours. I noticed an "unsmooth deceleration" when I was coming to a stop, so I decided to check the oil once more. It was low but still showing up on the dipstick. I decided to call it quits and make the 10-mile trip straight home, just in case.

When I arrived home and slowed down to enter my driveway, I noticed a new screeching sound. I immediately shut off the Vespa, and topped off the oil. When I attempted to push the Vespa into the garage, it gave me quite a bit of resistance. I started it back up, and – though the screeching sound persisted – it became easier to push.

Check out this short video of the screeching Vespa:

Any ideas on what could be happening? Do you think the oil issue and the screeching are related or separate issues?

Many thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:35:21 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:35:21 +0000 linkquote
Almost sounds like the starter bendix is engaged and locked.

w.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:40:13 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:40:13 +0000 linkquote
Thank you. I will mention this to the moto shop when I take it in.
Bald Wasp wrote:
Almost sounds like the starter bendix is engaged and locked.

w.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 16:52:32 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 16:52:32 +0000 linkquote
I'm the furthest thing from a mechanic so don't be surprised if I'm way off base. Be curious to know the outcome. Please update.

w.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:53:09 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:53:09 +0000 linkquote
That sound to me like starter motor being turned over by the drive train.
I'd agree with stuck starter bendix.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:56:28 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:56:28 +0000 linkquote
Start from the CVT side. Probably a broken clutch spring. There's no way for the belt, crank, etc. to turn from the wheel without the clutch being engaged...
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:03:36 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:03:36 +0000 linkquote
Indeed, it seems the clutch is engaged, but at standstill that should never be the case.

You say you were able to start the engine, but with an engaged clutch that would be impossible.

So I would start by putting it on the center stand and checking out that rear wheel.

Can you turn it manually, and what do you feel and hear then? Is the wheel completely free? What about the brakes? Did anything get in between the brake pads and the disc?
Start the engine and see what is happening to the rear wheel. If it starts to turn a little tension on the brake should stop that.

I do not see a relation to the oil issue. Actually you kept the oil level at the correct level and the engine therefore did not experience any oil issue.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:35:37 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:35:37 +0000 linkquote
ohhh... that sounds like the nut that secures the clutch pack has come undone and it's rubbing against the bell.

pull the transmission cover and see what you've got going down.
Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:39:56 +0000

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Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:39:56 +0000 linkquote
Firstly, it's a GTS 300 - THERE IS NO BENDIX! It has a sprag clutch instead, and these can indeed seize up/disintegrate and cause horrible noises. However, I doubt it's this as the bike was hard to push - that sounds like the belt has decided to come apart and gum up the works.

Whip off the transmission cover and inspect the transmission.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:13:30 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:13:30 +0000 linkquote
I will definitely update – thanks again for your input!
Bald Wasp wrote:
I'm the furthest thing from a mechanic so don't be surprised if I'm way off base. Be curious to know the outcome. Please update.

w.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:15:12 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:15:12 +0000 linkquote
I have had starter issues this year – I'll add your thoughts to the list I share with the moto shop. Thanks for chiming in!
Fudmucker wrote:
That sound to me like starter motor being turned over by the drive train.
I'd agree with stuck starter bendix.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:16:25 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:16:25 +0000 linkquote
Good thoughts. I have a friend who agrees with your assessment. Thanks for chiming in!
SaFiS wrote:
Start from the CVT side. Probably a broken clutch spring. There's no way for the belt, crank, etc. to turn from the wheel without the clutch being engaged...
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:18:17 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:18:17 +0000 linkquote
Good thoughts, Peter. I have not had a chance to follow through on your suggestions, but I will give it a try. I'm glad to hear you think the oil issue is unrelated.

Thanks for chiming in!
PeterCC wrote:
Indeed, it seems the clutch is engaged, but at standstill that should never be the case.

You say you were able to start the engine, but with an engaged clutch that would be impossible.

So I would start by putting it on the center stand and checking out that rear wheel.

Can you turn it manually, and what do you feel and hear then? Is the wheel completely free? What about the brakes? Did anything get in between the brake pads and the disc?
Start the engine and see what is happening to the rear wheel. If it starts to turn a little tension on the brake should stop that.

I do not see a relation to the oil issue. Actually you kept the oil level at the correct level and the engine therefore did not experience any oil issue.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:19:48 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:19:48 +0000 linkquote
Good thoughts, Greasy – I've got a couple friends who may stop by and help me do this. Thanks for chiming in!
greasy125 wrote:
ohhh... that sounds like the nut that secures the clutch pack has come undone and it's rubbing against the bell.

pull the transmission cover and see what you've got going down.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:23:31 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:23:31 +0000 linkquote
Nothing to add, other than my curiosity.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:31:59 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:31:59 +0000 linkquote
Good thoughts, Jim. To my shame, I have had two belts disintegrate and snap while riding. You could certainly be correct, but the noise of the bike and its response when I use the throttle seems different than during those experiences.

I like where you're going with your comments on the clutch. I will look into that further!
jimc wrote:
Firstly, it's a GTS 300 - THERE IS NO BENDIX! It has a sprag clutch instead, and these can indeed seize up/disintegrate and cause horrible noises. However, I doubt it's this as the bike was hard to push - that sounds like the belt has decided to come apart and gum up the works.

Whip off the transmission cover and inspect the transmission.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:32:43 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:32:43 +0000 linkquote
Hey Guzzi Gal – thanks for following along!
Guzzi Gal wrote:
Nothing to add, other than my curiosity.
Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:36:45 +0000

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Tue, 01 Nov 2022 19:36:45 +0000 linkquote
following along for the ride. always intrigued as to what happened to give odd sounds.

post up pics of the carnage, at the very least I can commiserate with you!

popping the belt cover off is easy and you'll know fairly quickly what's going down. good luck amigo!
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 02:21:42 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 02:21:42 +0000 linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
ohhh... that sounds like the nut that secures the clutch pack has come undone and it's rubbing against the bell.

pull the transmission cover and see what you've got going down.
DING DING DING DING DING!!

Greasy, you win whatever prize Andy is giving out.

My friend Paul and I dragged our sorry asses over to Andy's house this afternoon along with some tools and deconstructed the scooter. Pulling off the clutch bell it was immediately apparent that something was rubbing in a manner it should not be doing. Being old and slow it took some time to figure out exactly what to do. But eventually I squeezed the clutch together so Paul could tighten the nut.

Andy took the scooter for a spin and all seems as it should be. The belt is due to be changed in another thousand miles so I suspect we'll be taking everything apart again. On the bright side, Andy has a Harbor Freight lift table!

He took some pictures so I suspect he'll be posted them soon to show what was going on.
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 02:55:46 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 02:55:46 +0000 linkquote
a scant bit of experience pays off on this one!

I can't help but notice, you schlepped yourselves and tools over so I hope he provided the beer!

you'll probably be okay with just knocking it back together but a little drop of red loctite is always a good idea on those clutch pack nuts!

good work though. top marks all around!
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 04:30:17 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 04:30:17 +0000 linkquote
We have all been suitable informed and suitably empowered
regarding the starter on a GTS 300.
Thank you
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 06:58:50 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 06:58:50 +0000 linkquote
VESPAsfw3 wrote:
DING DING DING DING DING!!

Greasy, you win whatever prize Andy is giving out.


Who would doubt the oracle?
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 08:49:48 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 08:49:48 +0000 linkquote
Touring300 wrote:
Who would doubt the oracle?
haw! hardly!

let's go with: getting lucky on an educated guess!
Fri, 04 Nov 2022 15:34:39 +0000

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Fri, 04 Nov 2022 15:34:39 +0000 linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
haw! hardly!

let's go with: getting lucky on an educated guess!
As my father liked to say after some mechanical success, "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile."
Sat, 05 Nov 2022 15:04:54 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 15:04:54 +0000 linkquote
Greasy–you nailed it! Crazy to me that you could identify exactly what was happening by watching/hearing a video. Many thanks again to you for taking the time to write.

Here are some pics and video of Steve (VESPAsfw3) and Paul lending me their skill and expertise!

greasy125 wrote:
ohhh... that sounds like the nut that secures the clutch pack has come undone and it's rubbing against the bell.

pull the transmission cover and see what you've got going down.



Steve and Paul, a.k.a. "The Brain Trust"


You can see where the metal was scraping on the inside of the bell





Sat, 05 Nov 2022 15:13:45 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 15:13:45 +0000 linkquote
Thanks again for your help, Steve. It was a relief to know my Vespa was in good hands.
VESPAsfw3 wrote:
DING DING DING DING DING!!

Greasy, you win whatever prize Andy is giving out.

My friend Paul and I dragged our sorry asses over to Andy's house this afternoon along with some tools and deconstructed the scooter. Pulling off the clutch bell it was immediately apparent that something was rubbing in a manner it should not be doing. Being old and slow it took some time to figure out exactly what to do. But eventually I squeezed the clutch together so Paul could tighten the nut.

Andy took the scooter for a spin and all seems as it should be. The belt is due to be changed in another thousand miles so I suspect we'll be taking everything apart again. On the bright side, Andy has a Harbor Freight lift table!

He took some pictures so I suspect he'll be posted them soon to show what was going on.
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:55:31 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:55:31 +0000 linkquote
andyheckathorne wrote:
Thanks again for your help, Steve. It was a relief to know my Vespa was in good hands.
I'm glad we could help Andy. And that you didn't have to wait for weeks to have a dealer fix things. This time of year is too pretty to wait for repairs!

Here's my video documentation of two fools and a Vespa...

https://youtu.be/pHd2_FEdQ5Y
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:26:37 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:26:37 +0000 linkquote
Really great how you guys helped Andy out.
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:47:15 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:47:15 +0000 linkquote
Hey Steve,
My slogan is "Slow far, slow good"
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 06:37:28 +0000

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Tue, 08 Nov 2022 06:37:28 +0000 linkquote
Lovely video and soundtrack!
   

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