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Molto Verboso
1977 P200, 1980 P200
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Damn! Riding "All nature boy" in Oregon means everything is going to shrivel… even with sheepskin. Be careful!
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Today was a big day - the trip across the bridge! And then up Glenada hill at WOT. She feels solid. Now to start the jetting process....
North side of the Siuslaw River bridge
North side of the Siuslaw River bridge
South side of the bridge at Pritchard Wayside
South side of the bridge at Pritchard Wayside
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Chris came over yesterday and brought a few goodies for the GL.

Black legshield badge with rivets
Headlight guard - looks bitchen
Piaggio legshield emblem
Fly screen - decided negative and left it off
Rectangular stadium legshield mirror

And donuts!

So we got all that installed, after making some mods to the headlight guard and went for a ride. We didn't get far when the throttle cable snapped on Chris.

After a big coast and a little uphill push, we were back in the garage 5 minutes after we started.

The throttle hasn't been working right this whole time. It had a huge amount of throttle, like 270 degrees of throttle. Upon inspection, it showed I put it together 180 degrees from how it should've been and now it's back to 90 degrees of turn, stops at both ends. Facepalm emoticon

After putting in a new throttle cable, and adjusting the shifter cables, clutch cable,cand front brake, we went for a ride through town and got to compare the GL against Ruby, the P200.

A great day and it's one step closer to getting to Yachats.
Coffee, donuts, and grease, mmmmm
Coffee, donuts, and grease, mmmmm
Headlight assembly...
Headlight assembly...
Chris attaching the light guard after some adjustments
Chris attaching the light guard after some adjustments
The three new additions in one pic
The three new additions in one pic
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donuts and grease... stuff dreams are made of!
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Chris got a performance exhaust (SIP Road 3) and a new seat, so I decided to pull the carb and carb box and flow accordingly.

I was rather surprised how much meat I could take off the box to match it to the engine inlet, then again, it always surprises me Razz emoticon
I used the pick as a scribe and scribed where to grind on the bottom of the airbox
I used the pick as a scribe and scribed where to grind on the bottom of the airbox
That's a big area to grind
That's a big area to grind
Ground down, and polished.
Ground down, and polished.
Getting new gaskets for box to engine and carb to box. I'll lightly smear them with grease before installing.  Saving that for tomorrow...
Getting new gaskets for box to engine and carb to box. I'll lightly smear them with grease before installing. Saving that for tomorrow...
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Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Wow cool trick with the pick scribe!
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Thanks Hibbert - it works really well!
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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This exhaust crap just pisses me off.

Chris gets a SIP Road 3 exhaust. Cool!
I go to install it - the nut cage is welded too high for it to go through the swing arm and thread properly!

WTF SIP? Its not like your job is to make these things fit! AAARRRGGGGHHHH!

So now I've got to break the welds and weld the cage 3/8 of an inch down so the bolt can grab. So now I've gotta get my welding equipment set up to do this. It's gonna be an hour or an hour and a half of time to fix this fking thing.

Like I said - pisses me off!
Exhaust mount where the bolt goes into the swing arm
Exhaust mount where the bolt goes into the swing arm
Bolt not lining up - grrrr
Bolt not lining up - grrrr
You can see the angle of the bolt is at a slight upward trajectory. 3/8 of an inch down and it would work great.
You can see the angle of the bolt is at a slight upward trajectory. 3/8 of an inch down and it would work great.
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Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 1962 Allstate, Yamaha Vino 70cc
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qascooter wrote:
This exhaust crap just pisses me off.

Chris gets a SIP Road 3 exhaust. Cool!
I go to install it - the nut cage is welded too high for it to go through the swing arm and thread properly!

WTF SIP? Its not like your job is to make these things fit! AAARRRGGGGHHHH!

So now I've got to break the welds and weld the cage 3/8 of an inch down so the bolt can grab. So now I've gotta get my welding equipment set up to do this. It's gonna be an hour or an hour and a half of time to fix this fking thing.

Like I said - pisses me off!
Same thing with my road 2. Wouldn't line up AT ALL. wtf. Shelved it and put the Polini on and haven't looked back.
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Since I'm waiting to talk with Matt to see if the exhaust is just a bum one, or are they all like this, I decided to check if the carb float bowl was drilled out.

It was not...

So I drilled it out to 2.35mm and cleaned up the bowl itself. It had some ... buildup.
Hand drilled it - it worked great
Hand drilled it - it worked great
The float bowl was scummy even after steel wool.
The float bowl was scummy even after steel wool.
So I used the dremel
So I used the dremel
Much better
Much better
Installed and torqued to 11 ft lbs
Installed and torqued to 11 ft lbs
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Scott,

I had the same issue on the white P200 I built last year while the SS was getting painted. I don't weld…. So I ended up cutting the capture nut out and using a lock washer, red lock tite, and a wing nut. (Used long needle nose pliers to hold/tighten the wing nut.)

Lemonade outta lemons. Worked well… and a good option b.
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Thanks for that Jeff - now that I've thought about it I have three options...

A) do like you did.
B) get everything fitted, then re-weld the nut holder
C) return for another (crap shoot) or something else...

Probably do option B, but it just sucks.

I keep recalling the hassles Whodat has had with fitting stuff....
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I just automatically figure that ALL exhausts won't fit correctly right out of the box. Since i don't have high expectations, it means that i won't be disappointed. Having a welder keeps me sane.

-EGIG Superbanana exhaust bracket sucked enough that i made my own. I also had to weld up pin holes.

-JL Right. I had to make my own rear hanger for the silencer.

-every Sito+. Oval out the hole where the mounting bolt goes through.

-SIP Viper box. ummm...fix a slew of things.

I find that it's best if i just realize that no exhausts out there are going to fit perfectly. It keeps me from getting too frustrated.
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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whodatschrome wrote:
I just automatically figure that ALL exhausts won't fit correctly right out of the box. Since i don't have high expectations, it means that i won't be disappointed. Having a welder keeps me sane.
Thanks man - this actually helps with the disappointment factor. I'll oval out the hole and reweld the nut cage and quit whining. Ha! Razz emoticon
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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I finally got to ovaling out the back exhaust bolt mount and rewelded the nut holder.

Actually, had to clean it up and reweld again cause the first time the welds sucked Facepalm emoticon

Now it's time to up the jetting accordingly, after it stops raining that is..
Ovaling out the bolt hole
Ovaling out the bolt hole
Nut and cage down at least 3/8 of an inch, welded, and painted
Nut and cage down at least 3/8 of an inch, welded, and painted
Exhaust installed, including the spring
Exhaust installed, including the spring
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qascooter wrote:
I finally got to ovaling out the back exhaust bolt mount and rewelded the nut holder.

Actually, had to clean it up and reweld again cause the first time the welds sucked Facepalm emoticon

Now it's time to up the jetting accordingly, after it stops raining that is..
More patience than me, I removed cage, tossed in trash and used a flanged nut. You can get in there with a wrench and tighten it up on a Stella, tight fit but you can do it.
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PX221 MHR, O tuned PX200, PX181 Quattrini and some motorbikes
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qascooter wrote:
I finally got to ovaling out the back exhaust bolt mount and rewelded the nut holder.

Actually, had to clean it up and reweld again cause the first time the welds sucked Facepalm emoticon

Now it's time to up the jetting accordingly, after it stops raining that is..
Nice job. Drill a hole in the head base and the other spring fits nicely.
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76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate
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Maybe it's just me, but I *always* drill the cylinder fins to attach the springs. Hanging the exhaust off the cases just makes no sense to me when it's attached to the cylinder.
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My take?...the spring will work just fine when it's attached to the case, buuut it's preferable to attach it to a cylinder fin. But 99% of the time drilling a hole in a cylinder fin might only be realistic when the cylinder isn't bolted to the case. I see it as one of those things when the next time you happen to have the cylinder removed, then make a mental note to drill holes in the fins. Until then, the exhaust will be just fine where the spring currently is.
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63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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I only do one spring to the case.
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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Thanks guys - I'll look at the possibility of drilling a hole in the fin if/when the cylinder comes off. I may still not do it, but who knows...
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I finally got a good day to ride and make sure all is as it should be.

What a great run around town. She's running fantastic. Temp never got above 270f, and I had it pinned for a good 5 minutes before I had to slow down because of traffic.

Now all's that's left is to fix the leaking float needle, and ride it to Yachats with Chris! That's the testing grounds - 60 miles round trip through varying terrain, and coffee and something tasty at the half way point.
What a great scooter. I'm diggin it.
What a great scooter. I'm diggin it.
Time to add some more oil...
Time to add some more oil...
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62)
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It's official - Lucy, the GL, has been to Yachats and back!

Chris, Geoff and I had a great ride and the GL with a P200 engine is an absolute beast, and a beauty.

She's headed to warmer pastures.sniff... but I can visit any time

It was a pleasure to get this baby back on the road and learn about it's idiosyncrasies.

Caio Bella...
Chris on Lucy, Geoff in Olive
Chris on Lucy, Geoff in Olive
And away she goes ...
And away she goes ...
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Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 1962 Allstate, Yamaha Vino 70cc
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What brand is that carrier? I've been looking for one.
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P200
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FridayMatinee wrote:
What brand is that carrier? I've been looking for one.
My brother gave it to me and there is no branding on it, possibly home built. It's has a lot of flex in it and I'm not impressed but the price was right 😀
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Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 1962 Allstate, Yamaha Vino 70cc
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Scootnewb wrote:
My brother gave it to me and there is no branding on it, possibly home built. It's has a lot of flex in it and I'm not impressed but the price was right 😀
Can't argue that!
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