Modern Vespa

Scram.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/royal-enfield-scram-411-first-look-preview/

How funny: I was watching Stuart Fillingham's latest YT video earlier this evening about the Scram, which looks quite intriguing. I'm betting this one will do even better for them than the Himalayan.

Scram 411. I thought it was another computer protocol

If it is anything like the Himalayan, it will be a resounding success. RE seem to have captured the market for reliability at an affordable price.

I'd be very interested in comparing this, and the new rumored 500cc Honda Scrambler.

Less ugly than the Ducati... besides that... meh...

Oooh I like the looks of this. Write up says less weight than the Himalayan- now I gotta look up the weight differences…..

I'd say politely, that they are definitely targeted for different buyers

kz1000ST gave this thread a good tittle - I can see this as a very viable alternative to the Himalayan, not so much attacking 'premium brands' with their larger engines, finesse on details and high price tags.

Rode a standard Himalayan across India a few years ago. Wanted to ride a "local" bike and have easy access to parts/repair if there was an issue.

Fully appreciating that I'm spoiled with a 1200GS, that Enfield was a total piece of $#@(#.

Don't you own a V-Rod?

First gen Night Rod, yup. Gets compliments everywhere it goes, and got me sexually harassed by most of the female senior leadership at the company I used to work for. I enjoyed every minute of it. Life is good!

The V-Rod was a good machine - too bad the main crowd could not accept it. I hope the Pan-America does well, the air-cooled machines are on their way out.

For someone looking for a simple, easy ride the SCRAM looks good. Twenty pounds lighter than the Himalayan and without the guards, rack, windshield and smaller front tire it would be a cool ride for anyone who isn't interested in wheelies, stoppies, frightening acceleration, or doesn't mind the tractor feel of acceleration, it could be their bike. Hard to imagine it being popular in comparison to the many street bikes already out there save for price.

I bought my Himalayan because it is slow and boring, simple and easy to work on, and perfectly suited to the dirt and gravel I like to ride on. The Vespa took a beating on those roads. Now I have something more able.

https://youtu.be/Nxn3RN9z1cU

Thanks man, I agree. It was the right bike, at the wrong time. Especially the first generation which still had the 180 rear tire (instead of the 240mm) and the mid controls instead of the forwards. The first gen like mine you still ride it like a mad man even in twisties. Once they got even bigger and bulkier and less sporty they were really only good in straight lines.

That Yamaha CP3 900cc triple motor is the only thing that excites me as much as this bike does, without needing aggressive ergonomics or goofy plastic.

Back on topic, for this kind of riding I have a big single 650cc BMW thumper and it's great. Costs less than a new Himalayan. I trust it about as much, maybe even more lol. Bought the BMW used with 1,240 miles for $4000 from a widow. Good deals are out there. Adopt don't shop! lol

For the Harley audience the V-Rod was never the right bike. The engine belonged in some Wide Fat Glide Bob or a bagger. The new Indian Challenger and Pursuit have an engine with all the specs of a V-Rod 20 years later and are hailed as the future.

They made the same mistake with the Street models putting the new engine in a rebaked XLCR instead of a cruiser motif like a larger old model Rebel or mini Fat Wide Glide Bob. The XLCR never sold back in the 70s and yet they repeated the mistake with the Street models.

The new ADV and Sportster will die a slow death like the V-Rod.

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For the Harley audience the V-Rod was never the right bike. The engine belonged in some Wide Fat Glide Bob or a bagger. The new Indian Challenger and Pursuit have an engine with all the specs of a V-Rod 20 years later and are hailed as the future.

They made the same mistake with the Street models putting the new engine in a rebaked XLCR instead of a cruiser motif like a larger old model Rebel or mini Fat Wide Glide Bob. The XLCR never sold back in the 70s and yet they repeated the mistake with the Street models.

The new ADV and Sportster will die a slow death like the V-Rod.
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Sportster? Impossible....the combination of BMWish price tag with HDish ergonomics and comic exhaust pipes ain't a winning combo, huh?

Not sure about the Sportster S: Has the go-fast look, has the Rev Max mill, but can't corner without a fireworks display, and next-to-no rear suspension travel to speak of. Cool for short hops, I guess, but such a waste of engine tech.

- This is why I say the V-Rod was right bike, wrong time. I don't know about that just yet. The new ADV is selling well, allegedly. I think what Harley calls their "core" customers is shrinking, and new riders are entering the family, and in the coming years we'll see the core become more and more ostracized (and nagging and bitching and about it) as the bikes start to look more and more like Speed Twins...

But what do I know? I'm a V-Rod owner waiting for Harley to make me a new V-Rod!

Right engine, wrong look for the HOG crowd.. Harley owners took the drag bike styling like a fish to an empty bowl. I don't have the statistics but I'm guessing most V-Rods went to former Metric owners who liked the engine. The only V-Rod I liked was the one with mid mount pegs and more normal fork rake. I'm waiting until Street models are going for $2500 myself. Then I might be in even though it's slower than my 1983 750 Spectre.

Mid-mounts and 180 rear on mine rather than the big 240 that came after.
She's by no stretch nimble, but the handling can at least stand out among its siblings.

Keep the Spectre, it will outlive the Street. It's 31 years older but will still outlive the Street. They're way too cheap.

uote="amateriat"]
Not sure about the Sportster S: Has the go-fast look, has the Rev Max mill, but can't corner without a fireworks display, and next-to-no rear suspension travel to speak of. Cool for short hops, I guess, but such a waste of engine tech.
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Now I'm drifting far away from Himalayans, in the true MV style , but just have to add: It took me quite a while to realize why Sportster S looks so familiar, although it does look different from what HD has done before: from many angles, its a downsized Triumph Rocket, with the funny pipes and all!

I'll guess Rocket is a bit like v-rod to Triumph fans...or the good ol' V-Max for those into Japanese bikes.