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I got my moto license in Sept 2019 - 2.5 years ago almost to the day. In that time, I've ridden about 25,000 miles between my personal Vespa, and a couple of similar scooters in Italy. I did find an unfortunately slippery corner in a rainy Italian national park, but my riding has otherwise been without incident. I've never been in a collision.

That record just ended.

San Francisco has a couplet of one-way streets: Fell, and Oak. As they cross Van Ness (US 101), they jog up a block before crossing Market (main street) and bending south to become 9th/10th.

I was riding to work at the end of last week. I had just swooped up from EB Oak onto EB Fell, about to cross Van Ness and hit 10th. As I filtered through traffic, I noticed the woman in the white SUV ahead of me on the right was staring at her phone in her lap. I slowed to a crawl, keeping my attention on her until she put hers back on the road. The light turns green. A black SUV comes whizzing past my left shoulder and 💥 high-fives my mirror with his. He kept going and hung a left on Van Ness (the intersection I was about to cross).

I followed him, rolled up to his passenger window, and got his attention: "Hey! You just hit me!" He roars back "No, you hit me!! You were between lanes; you were in the wrong!!" Wha? emoticon I felt like I was being gaslit. I clearly remembered him speeding by my left shoulder and colliding with my mirror. He looked like a regular, upstanding dude - he was probably somebody's dad - and he was adamant that I had hit him. I check the mirrors again: mine is spun around, and his is folded back towards his passenger window. The mark my mirror left on his black paint is obvious. As the mirrors testify, he was clearly the aggressor. I glance down my left side, and don't see any other evidence of the crash on either vehicle. A shouting match over a scratched mirror (plus having to deal with Shouting Match Guy in any capacity in the future) doesn't feel like a winning move. He had already driven off once, so he clearly doesn't want to file an anything. I let it go, and we go our separate ways...

...our metaphorical separate ways anyway: because I had turned onto Van Ness to chase him down, I missed my turn. The next turn was one-way the wrong direction, so I ended up behind him again at the following light. My phone was in my pocket, so I snapped a quick photo of his plate. His door slams, and he starts marching towards me. I'm afraid the situation is about to escalate, so I make my turn and head towards the office. As I do, he gets out his phone and shouts "TWO CAN PLAY AT THIS GAME!"

I was disoriented the whole way to the office. I realized I should have found a safe place to stop and collect myself. The joints in my left arm: wrist, elbow, and shoulder all hurt. I'm guessing they got a non-consensual stretch when he hit my mirror (while my hands were on the bars). Five days later, my left shoulder still hurts (although I imagine the injuries people get e.g. snowboarding or mountain biking are about the same level of sore).

I'm not sure if I handled it well. The aggressively unaccountable guy scared me. I never imagined I'd be in a wreck without exchanging info, but in the moment it seemed like my scratched mirror was the worst of the damage, and he was ready to escalate it into something nasty. I don't know if it resulted from the physical injury or just the mental shock of being hit, but my cognitive faculties were impaired, and being boldfacedly lied to about what had just happened certainly didn't help. In retrospect, I don't know if Irate Dad was really about to pick a fight with me, but it felt that way in the moment. Could I have calmly approached the situation in a way that de-escalated his rage, and allowed us to exchange information in a civil way? I don't know, but it unfortunately wasn't accessible to me at the time.




I had a nice weekend. There's a local diner called Alice's. It's a legendary hang for motos and fancy cars, up on the ridge of the Santa Cruz Mountains. I haven't been in a while, and I've been meaning to go back. A friend just bought her first Vespa - it literally had 50 miles on it Sunday morning. We probably rode about 100 miles round-trip. Alice's retooled itself: table service is gone - now you order at the front, and then go find a picnic bench. It's the perfect setup for that kind of place, and the burgers were great too! I was proud of her for saying yes to the ride and making it the whole way. Was a really lovely day.

I was back at work again yesterday - first day back with Daylight Savings Time. I was still a little spooked from Thursday, and definitely aware that the sun is right in everybody's eyes on the way home. I'm approaching that section where the couplet shifts, one block north of where I was hit Thursday. I'm in the left turn lane, riding towards the stoplight. Just before the light, a presumptive Uber driver stops in the middle of the onward lane and flips on his hazards. The person behind him swerves into my lane, without using his blinkers or checking if the lane is clear. I grabbed my brakes and felt the ABS kick in. I needed about six more inches of stopping distance. My fender cracks against the bumper of his brand new Rav-4.

I got his attention, and he pulled over. The curb lane on this street has been converted to outdoor dining, so we're now stopped in the road where the Uber driver was. He gets out. I explain to him that I was in the lane he swerved into, and that he didn't use his blinker. He insists he was already in the left lane. I tried to remind him about the stopped car that he swerved around (and into me), but he's still confused. We calmly traded information. I checked for cameras nearby (I didn't see any), and made my way home to file the insurance claim. Traffic kept flowing around us, so I don't think there were witnesses to check with.

I still can't believe I was in two wrecks on two adjacent commutes, especially after 25,000 problem-free miles. It sucks that my fender is cracked, but the second encounter was so much better. Nobody got hurt, and we calmly traded information. It's what's supposed to happen.

As it happens, I renewed my insurance policy yesterday morning, before the guy stopped short in front of me. If it's less than $1000 in damage, the claim doesn't affect your record. We both have State Farm, and there's barely a scratch on the other guy's bumper. Hopefully the process going forward is relatively painless.

I feel like I'm a good rider: assertive, but not reckless, and definitely not the 100mph-crushing-monster most motorcycle riders seem to be. I anticipate what the people around me are going to do, and behave accordingly (although I didn't slow soon enough when that guy cut me off yesterday). Riding after the slip in Italy felt weird - I didn't have as much confidence in turns, which is not a good spot to be in when you're riding.

After this past week, I should probably reassess riding in the city. Do I need to change my approach? Are there too many distracted/oblivious/entitled people staring at their phones and stopping in the middle of the block that make these sort of crashes inevitable? Am I going to end up getting properly hurt if I keep relying on a motorcycle as my primary form of transportation?

It's hard to imagine changing my riding habits - I really love the mobility, the ease of getting around, the access to nature - everything that comes with riding. Alice's, for instance, was great; and I wouldn't have done it without the Vespa. Then again, I don't want to be permanently hurting because I decided Vespas were cool when I lived in SF.

I've also got to think about gear:

The mirrors are the widest part of a Vespa. I pay special attention to them when I'm filtering past an SUV to make sure our mirrors can clear each other. I hadn't considered that one might try to pass me and clip mine. I wonder if I should be looking into shorter mirrors, and what the visibility tradeoffs would be.

I also wonder about riding cameras. I've heard people say they're essential for insurance claims. Without having filed any claims, they seemed like more hassle than they're worth, but now I've got two situations that are primarily my word against the other person's. The damage in the first case is clearly the other guy's fault, but in the second case, there's no physical evidence for "this guy cut me off."

I talked to someone at my insurance agent's office this morning. I told him there was another wreck last week, that the other guy intimidated me, and that I didn't like the optics of "I got in two wrecks and they were both the other guy's fault!" He reassured me that sometimes life goes that way. He also told me I did the right thing by not engaging with the irate driver. He's gonna talk to my agent. I should probably get my shoulder looked at, and then decide if it's worth opening another claim.

Funnily enough, there's one more claim that I've been putting off. In Sept 2020, someone knocked my Vespa over. The only obvious damage was to the fender and the mirror. I've hesitated to file, because I don't want to be out-of-pocket if it turns out the other car is uninsured. Now my fender is certainly going to be replaced, and I might end up replacing the mirrors too. I won't have those scratches nagging at me, and I don't have to file that claim.
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I would definitely argue people are worse drivers now than they were 2 years ago! I also say that area on Market St sucks. Bus lanes, one ways and everyone trying to get on the freeway/out of the financial district don't help. Uber drivers will always be from out of town (East Bay) and do stupid shit in front of you. A perfect storm!!

Id say leave the OG mirrors so it keeps you honest lane splitting. Slow her down next time you ride or pause for a cause, take a few days off the scoot and get a GoPro mount for your helmet. I don't record in 4K and the battery lasts me a little over 2 hours.

Best of luck!
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Sorry to hear about the accidents and hope your shoulder is ok.

I would think filtering/lane splitting in the city really increases chances of damage. Distracted drivers are the norm. Shorter mirrors might reduce the width by a couple inches on each side? Filtering is a choice. You might think about making the scooter a commuter "beater" instead of trying to keep it pristine.

People will lie as you have seen.

I ride in Washington DC although not commuting. Vehicles stop all the time in lanes of travel. Road repair and construction cause lanes to be closed often. People are not looking before changing lanes.

This may be something you already do, but one has to create space where possible, ride both offensively and defensively, and watch for hazards to the front all the time. One has to look for what might happen like someone pulling out in front of you, stopping unexpectedly, and of course swerving into your lane.

In the stopped vehicle situation, lane positioning is important so one must move over to create space just in case.
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I've noticed cages driving worse than usual. Nowadays, I refuse to ride in D.C. and other major cities. I pick my battles now. But I'm older with many years of riding experience and a perfect driving record. I agree with the comment about getting a helmet/scooter mounted camera. Only other advice would be to maybe take a refresher or advanced motorcycle safety course. I only do around 8000 miles a year now and I'm a bit overdo on a safety update check myself. Glad you only got bumped around and not taken down. No one likes ambulance rides.
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Glad you're going to be ok. Sorry about the bike.

You did the right thing. Nowadays you don't know how the idiot in the car is going to respond, and - at least where I am - whether they're armed or not.

A GoPro may seem like a bit of a hassle, but with the way people drive / react it's a great idea. I drive with a dash cam running almost all the time for all of the reasons. I have a GoPro with the chest strap that I don't wear often enough.

Bottom line is you can't change the way other people drive, only the way you ride.
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glad you are ok
sorry about the bike.
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I think the most dangerous thing in an urban environment like san francisco or los angeles is being tentative and perfectly normal to feel that way after a couple incidents or close calls.

At my work safety is a big deal and remember being approached by the safety guy while building the walt disney concert hall downtown LA in 2000/2001.

He said I see you ride the bike every day as well as several others and just wanted to chat about safety, nice guy and well intentioned. Genuinely concerned for his people and a career safety professional.

I told him I had a safety plan that I followed religiously and while it got me a lot of tickets I survived many years riding aggressively but not insanely so in that environment.

I think being aggressive is key. Being aware and focused very important like you mention noticing drivers not paying attention.

So I like to go a little bit faster than everyone else. Legal to split lanes at 5mph faster than traffic and I am usually just over that but it varies depending on conditions but the idea is to be more focused on what is in front of you than behind while still being slightly aware of what may be behind you, and then find the hole and get through it. If I am moving just slightly faster it is up to me and my judgement and skill to make it or not, my fate is in my hands not the other guys and that is the intent. I am not going to give them the chance to hit me as much as possible and I try to stay out of the way by not being in that spot, or being in that spot for as short a time as possible.

Like you describe while you are filtering you were paying attention and he got you from behind, his fault and it sounds like you were doing all you could to be out of the way. But would being slightly more aggressive put you out of the way by the time he got there? Or was there any other way to see it coming/anticipate his move and lean to one side?

The cages are very predictable if you pay close attention and it is all about pattern recognition, they will give you clues and it sounds like you just got into some situations that will happen again.

The other thing I remember mentioning to the safety guy at work was pinch points. At work they preach stay out of pinch points over and over but on a bike in traffic it is the safest place to be. The cages don't see the bikes but they see the other cages. Right in the middle between two that aren't assholes is the safest place to be, when an opening appears a cage will frequently try to fill that spot often times as quickly as possible, easily predicted and avoided.

Again normal to feel a little tentative after some mishaps but try not to overcorrect too much on the side of caution because again I feel like to cautious in that environment is more dangerous than being aggressive.

My background as an amateur bicycle road racer and motocross racer helps with being very comfortable with being extremely close. I know when I was still young riding motocross it helped to get right behind a very experienced rider, my front tire an inch or two off of his back tire so I could see exactly what he was doing. I could copy his body language and see when he dabbed the brakes or blipped the throttle. Just like any other sport if you copy the perfect form of the expert you can replicate the results, or pretty close anyway depending.

I think that mentality of being comfortable while being slightly aggressive is key. I have had crashes in the thousands if you add the bicycle to the motorcycle most of them in the dirt but many on pavement as well. I have also had in the dozens of saves some of them pretty spectacular and one in particular right in front of my friends.

Play racing the canyons I overcooked it coming out of a sharp left and lost traction in the rear and laid it down and was sliding on top of the bike on the pavement right in front of two buddies that were following closely behind. Right at the edge of the pavement I knew it was my last chance and I had scrubbed off a little speed so I pulled up slightly on the handlebars and got a bite, pulled the bike up back onto two wheels and continued riding and stayed in the lead although I did veer into the oncoming lane that was fortunately unoccupied at the time, the reaction of picking it back up from the slide at speed.

Most of the crashes were relatively harmless other than road rash or slight sprains but there have been some nasty ones to, everyone has to learn how to walk as a baby right? I have had to learn how to walk three times and have the scars and stainless steel hardware to prove it. I am not trying to get in a wreck or mangle myself but am perfectly comfortable with being slightly aggressive and very close because I know I can survive an accident and I can learn to walk again one more time. That confidence is safety, it keeps me from being tentative. If I lose it for whatever reason temporarily I will take a break from riding until I feel comfortable again.
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I don't know your riding style and I've never been to California, so I'll keep it somewhat universal.
I'm looking into some fashion of helmet camera for similar reasons. Urban or rural, big cities or small towns...people are crazy. Especially americans.

Do you ride the same route every day or do you have alternates? I highly recommend having multiple paths you switch between for a few reasons:
-you're less likely to get complacent,
-harder for thieves & road ragers to stalk you,
-preplanned options so you aren't left scrambling in case of whatever.

I prefer making my options cover a variety of conditions and terrain.
Fast route, fun route, long route, slow route, minimal stress route, ditch-this-car route, it's-pretty-outside route, screw-this-weather route...choose your own adventure.
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Mayorofnow,

You are living the Urban insanity on two wheels. Be safe and good luck.

I commute to work clear across the twin cities 23 miles one way. It is
like watching adults playing Mario Kart.

On balance, most drivers do a decent courteous job. There also was something
to an earlier post about moving fast and leading the pack. I use to drive like
that in Italia many moons ago.

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marret wrote:
I would think filtering/lane splitting in the city really increases chances of damage.
My understanding is that filtering (while being careful of mirrors/lane changes/distracted drivers) is safer than taking the full lane.

For one, it lets you get out in front of everybody, so you have fewer potential problems/distractions and just an all around more pleasant ride. If someone is driving with their phone out, I don't want to be anywhere near them. Sometimes it's nice to hit a red light, so you can pass all the traffic while they're all stopped.

For two, it keeps you out of the crumple zone: if someone behind you is going to rearend somebody, let it be the guy in front of you who's protected by his car.

There are of course wrinkles. Occasionally, someone will be butthurt that you are now in front of them and try to race you or otherwise drive needlessly aggressive. You've also literally got to watch your toes. Sometimes people let their foot off the brake while you're standing next to them.
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I think that mentality of being comfortable while being slightly aggressive is key.
This is a good description of my riding style. I ride a bit faster than traffic and split when I can do so safely. I watch out for other cars and predict when e.g. a stopped vehicle is going to put someone in my lane, or if the guy who can't keep a lane has his eyes on his lap.

I had a hunch the guy who was gonna cut me off was going to, but either I didn't slow down soon enough, or he cut over when it was too late for me to stop. It's a delicate situation: you don't want to invite people to do stupid things, but you've also got to be defensive enough to adapt when they do. It does feel weird to have anticipated he was gonna cut me off, and to still have hit him.

In the other wreck, I honestly didn't even remember the black SUV there, although I don't inventory all the cars when I filter past them. He caught me offguard going that fast in thick traffic. The lady in the white SUV had too much of my attention. It felt important in that moment to remind her to put her phone down and pay attention to e.g. motorcycles. Almost a week later, I don't remember the light timing well enough to know if I could have safely snuck past her while the light was still red.
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Cheshire wrote:
Do you ride the same route every day or do you have alternates?
Both on a bicycle and the Vespa, there's the direct route, and there's the scenic route. The scenic route goes through the Presidio park and along the water. You still hit congestion, but it's not the thoroughfare that Fell/Oak + 10th/9th are.

It's a nice reminder that maybe I should try that more often. Takes longer and burns more gas, but it's definitely more pleasant.
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I had a very close call recently while filtering ...

I was filtering to the front at the red lights. My front wheel reached level with the front of the front row of cars as the light when green. The car on my left (would be right side for you guys) was in a big 4wd and didn't notice me and he tried to take off quick. I as always took off very quick so I was on his front corner and scarily close.

Now it gets bad ...

He then backed off a little so as to not hit me - good. Then he changed lane and came up beside me and then crossed into my lane right where I was forcing me to move to the other side of my lane in a deliberate attempt to scare / kill me. Then he returned straight away into his lane and turned off 100m up the road.

Arsehole.
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I just spent the afternoon on the phone with State Farm.

I saw that I missed a call and called back. First the recording said it would be a 5-10 minute wait. Then it played some ad that began "You don't want to miss a call from State Farm." After waiting at least 15 minutes on hold, that ad felt a little too on-the-nose.

I'm gonna skip the nitpicking of the number of times I had to repeat info they already had or who transferred me where - call centers suck, even domestic ones.

While we were on the phone, the representative said that in he-said-she-said cases: claims are processed as if the other driver was at fault, but under your policy. As I understand, that means your rates won't be affected (cause you aren't at fault), but you will have to pay your deductible. (I believe hit-and-runs are effectively the same.)

In the end, the Uber (who in some sense also caused the wreck) saved me. It was almost my word vs the other driver's, but the other driver claimed to be in the center lane. The representative checked Street View and confirmed there are only two travel lanes in that direction. The other driver claimed to have stayed in one lane the whole time, and also mentioned an Uber blocking the lane. The representative deduced that either my story was the most accurate one, or that the Uber had stopped in the turn lane (which wouldn't have made sense). Hence, my claim gets transferred to the other guy's policy, barring any new information that may improbably arise.

Immediately after the accident, I intentionally told the other driver what happened from my perspective: hoping to anchor his understanding in mine when we made our official statements. I wonder if that's what got him to mention the Uber, which is what helped me prevail. I'm also glad I was the second one to make a statement. It meant I was on the phone with the claims guy while he made his decision.

I wonder if it's time to get a camera. I would definitely be pissed if I had to pay my deductible because someone else was an asshat. It's the same reason I never filed that hit-and-run from Sept 2020, and the same reason it probably doesn't make sense to file against the black SUV unless I end up with silly medical bills. There's no way Irate Dad is gonna tell a version of events that makes me look like the reasonable one. The only thing I have working to my advantage in that case is that the scratches were on the face of my mirror and the back of his.

If I've learned anything from these three wrecks (one knock over, one being hit, and one rear-ending someone else), it's "be prepared to pay your deductible." The stars have to line up for the fault to irrefutably fall on the other driver, and for you to know the other driver has insurance that you can collect against.
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It seems like you have made progress with State Farm despite it being painful, which is good.
mayorofnow wrote:
My understanding is that filtering (while being careful of mirrors/lane changes/distracted drivers) is safer than taking the full lane.

For one, it lets you get out in front of everybody, so you have fewer potential problems/distractions and just an all around more pleasant ride. If someone is driving with their phone out, I don't want to be anywhere near them. Sometimes it's nice to hit a red light, so you can pass all the traffic while they're all stopped.

For two, it keeps you out of the crumple zone: if someone behind you is going to rearend somebody, let it be the guy in front of you who's protected by his car.

There are of course wrinkles. Occasionally, someone will be butthurt that you are now in front of them and try to race you or otherwise drive needlessly aggressive. You've also literally got to watch your toes. Sometimes people let their foot off the brake while you're standing next to them.
Agree about being in front. I was referring to the process of getting to the front or not being able to get all the way and being beside someone rather than at the front. Sounds like that happened with the black SUV.

At the risk of stating the obvious, if someone hits your mirror from behind, you are no longer in front.

Hopefully you can get back to no accidents. Sounds like you are past the old saying "bad things happen in threes".
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That record just ended.
Well, to say I feel your pain would be putting it mildly. Two accidents last year, the second totaling the bike, and an inconclusive finding-of-fault (well, I'm in a no-fault state, but nonetheless), and having to put out a few grand for the new ride (even though the talking gecko did compensate me decently), and a slight bump in my premium. And, yes, people are driving sloppier/more-agressively than before: just riding into Gotham with Le Wife (like today…writing this from Brooklyn) illustrates just how bad things have gotten on the roads and streets.

And then, I come across this little morsel:

https://jalopnik.com/these-are-the-cars-most-commonly-owned-by-people-with-d-1848622617?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=_facebook&fbclid=IwAR3lmekJpFJEIRrZGolibEmL6prUe3mnnkFwakTgMBd1jGaP21pT07iml7c

Let's just say that my on-road experience pretty much scans with that list. I'd only throw in the odd Audi and Prius. (And…what in Hades is it about Prius drivers?)

And: I also looked into shorter-stem mirrors, and decided against them: not worth the reduced rear-view effectiveness vis-a-vis the stockers
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amateriat wrote:
(And…what in Hades is it about Prius drivers?)
Marin county is famous for its weird blend of entitled-busybody-hippies, and for its utterly fantastic motorcycle roads. Plenty of folks there like to troll around at embarrassingly under the speed limit, totally ignore all the turnouts, and then stop at the crest of a blind hill and wave out the window for you to pass like they're doing you a favor.

More than once, I've considered writing a Craigslist Missed Connection to the "Marin driver who won't pull out."
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2015 GTS 300 Super (Melody: 2015-2021, RIP), 2022 GTS SuperTech (Thelonica; bit the dust 02-22-23)
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mayorofnow wrote:
More than once, I've considered writing a Craigslist Missed Connection to the "Marin driver who won't pull out."
That's probably worth doing for the therapeutic value alone.
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Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
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All you can ever do is attempt to leave room to allow for time to avoid other people's mistakes. It's hard in urban environments but there it is. As I travel down the road I back off on the throttle and cover the front brake if I see anyone getting near my lane of travel from a side road.

The problem with today's cars is all the built in distractions. I have a cheap 2016 and the screen has a bunch of information to observe. That's not to mention the GPS hanging on the windshield. It's not just cell phones to carry people's attention on the road.
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Triumph Bonneville 2022, Triumph Street Scrambler 2018 (sold), Suzuki VanVan200 (sold), 2015 Sprint 125 (sold)
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Sorry to hear about your wrecks.

I know this won't receive positive reactions in a scoot/bike forum, but will say it nevertheless:

As I nowadays drive much more than ride, its easy for me to take a driver's viewpoint. Which is - I find it much more difficult to watch out for scoots and bikes that are riding fast and filtering, than those who stay on the lanes and adapt to cars' speed.

I'm a lazy driver (and rider ), probably one of those idiots who don't keep watching the speedo all the time and occasionally drive - gasp - under the highest possible number stated in the sign.

Yet, I do pay attention to the traffic around me. Typical for both a modern station wagon(mine at the moment) or a SUV, visibility does indeed have some blind spots. My car has some smart sensors at sides, but a scoot, bike or bicycle often moves so fast compared to e.g. almost stationary traffic, that those sensors are too slow.

So, from a carefull driver point of view: less filtering, no sudden movements and definitely no more speed that the traffic around you would probably prevent a rider hitting with me.

During all the years so far, I've hit two bikes with a car. Both admitted being their fault, luckily with slow speed too. One came fast from a side, the other did a 'late green light'. I did not have time to stop completely or swerve away in time in either case.

I know, this was not what a fellow rider wishes to hear Hopefully gives perspective, or another viewpoint.
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Molto Verboso
2020 GTS 300 HPE
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2020 GTS 300 HPE
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Even the birds are leaving shitty feedback on my week.
I make the joke, but at least I don't have to stress about it eating my paint. 🙃
I make the joke, but at least I don't have to stress about it eating my paint. 🙃
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