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Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:02 am linkquote
That's a lotta ports going on right there!!
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:32 am linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
You are a man possessed by some kind of spirit. I'm not sure which kind.
Who says it's only one spirit?

This project wasn't supposed to be this hard. Basically, it's turned into a case study in how much manufacturers and resellers lie when marketing their products.

Other observations...the Quattrini pipe is of marginal manufacturing quality.
- They didn't use antispatter spray when they brazed it, so there's brass spatter on the exhaust body. (Also: why did they braze? Why not just weld, unless they didn't trust the person doing the welding not to burn through?)
- The exhaust manifold's base is warped from welding.
- They provided too few bolts, and some of what they provided are the wrong length. (fortunately, they're just M8's).
- The access to the exhaust flange bolt is obstructed, so you can just barely get an allen wrench in there

And while looking on the net, I noticed that the aftermarket cases all have the fan guard cut back to vertical so that the line would be the same as if I just cut the whole thing off cleanly.

I've learned a TON on this project, which is good because I like learning things, but it hasn't been a planned learning, more of a "what the fuck do I do now?" like of learning.

Ultimately, what it'll come down to is that if it's a beast of a motor, it'll all feel worthwhile. If not...well, I'm not thinking about that today.
Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:36 am

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Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:36 am linkquote
These are SIP's cases. Same or more cutback, only straight.



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Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:38 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Who says it's only one spirit?

This project wasn't supposed to be this hard. Basically, it's turned into a case study in how much manufacturers and resellers lie when marketing their products.

Other observations...the Quattrini pipe is of marginal manufacturing quality.
- They didn't use antispatter spray when they brazed it, so there's brass spatter on the exhaust body. (Also: why did they braze? Why not just weld, unless they didn't trust the person doing the welding not to burn through?)
- The exhaust manifold's base is warped from welding.
- They provided too few bolts, and some of what they provided are the wrong length. (fortunately, they're just M8's).
- The access to the exhaust flange bolt is obstructed, so you can just barely get an allen wrench in there

And while looking on the net, I noticed that the aftermarket cases all have the fan guard cut back to vertical so that the line would be the same as if I just cut the whole thing off cleanly.

I've learned a TON on this project, which is good because I like learning things, but it hasn't been a planned learning, more of a "what the fuck do I do now?" like of learning.

Ultimately, what it'll come down to is that if it's a beast of a motor, it'll all feel worthwhile. If not...well, I'm not thinking about that today.
Yeah, damn…!

no one talks about that… you only see the amazing quatrinni builds at the end and no one talks about the trails and tribulations of the builds…

Interesting it's been such a pita…

Hate it when they don't come with the right screws/bolts… no one check anything before it was packed??

Yeah the SIP cases seem to be perfect for these kits… didn't think it was such a big deal breaker though…
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:20 pm linkquote
It's on.

Still a lot to do, but there's an immense sense of relief that it's fundamentally running.

I need to do a proper pressure test, plus the PWK34 is waaaaay lean with stock jets and needle.

I wound up having to chop the fan guard back even more,

Lots still to do, but always a big psychological thing getting to that first start, and this build even more so than most.

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Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:15 pm linkquote
That is some serious creativity, pushing the carb off as emergency stop method. I have to say your freshly fixed GL is wayyyyy too close to this potential fire scene….
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:02 pm linkquote
this pleases me greatly.

re: brazed pipes. I personally don't have a problem with them, and some mfgrs do so because brass will flex a little and could potentially eliminate cracking due to an improperly mounted pipe.

I hope you leave the paint as is-- I love it!
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:42 pm linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
That is some serious creativity, pushing the carb off as emergency stop method. I have to say your freshly fixed GL is wayyyyy too close to this potential fire scene….
Meh. It's my wife's car. And anyway, I have a fire extinguisher in the boat that I could grab if it came to that.
greasy125 wrote:
this pleases me greatly.

re: brazed pipes. I personally don't have a problem with them, and some mfgrs do so because brass will flex a little and could potentially eliminate cracking due to an improperly mounted pipe.

I hope you leave the paint as is-- I love it!
I can see that with the brazing, then. I've just never seen it before, I guess. That still doesn't excuse the lack of anti-spatter spray, but so long as it works, I'll get over it.

The paint is going to stay as-is at least until I get the front disc sorted out, maybe longer, either because I can't decide on a color or because I'm having too much fun riding it. It has a bad rattlecan paint job, but other than some questionably deep rust at the back of the floorboards, it's in really good shape. I might even wash it to figure out how much of the color is grime, moss, and rust, other than "a lot."

I got some angle iron this evening so I can build an engine stand. I also need to either find or re-acquire a mixture screw that I can reach by hand. And a fuel pump. and a choke conversion kit. And suspension. And a rear shock mounting buffer. And tires. And turn signals. And a fork lock. And the list goes on and on.

What really matters is that 1) It works; and 2) I'm energized for getting to rideable.
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:36 pm linkquote
That is awesome!

Sounds great!! That sound you don't get from a PX engine!

Yeah I think Greasy was more concerned about the GL in front of the smallie, than the lifesaving, slightly dirty boot Tesla at the back… lol

Edit: sorry, meant SDjohn… haven't had coffee yet…!

Oh yeah the air screw is a bitch man.

With the previous dellorto carb, it was replaced with a screw that you could use an 8mm wrench, but I still had to loosen the carb and turn it toward the left to reach it.

Don't know if you need a fuel pump, the pwk should be able to handle it, especially with the tank directly above the carb. You can get a plastic fuel bowl which is slightly larger which would help out.

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Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:58 pm linkquote
fwiw, I run a 38 w/o a pump on the PK and don't have any issues.
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:03 pm linkquote
Sounding great CM!

I've had times when for whatever reason the motor started to race, and even pulling the plug lead didn't stop it! I think I ended up laying it on its side to flood it.

Not sure if you can get one of these to access the mixture screw, couldn't find one specifically for a PWK.
https://www.kbmotorsports.com/atv/tuning-management/carburetor-accessories/flex-jet-keihin-fcr-fuel-mixture-screw.html
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:46 pm linkquote
I don't know where to begin.
The racing engine fix was spectacular.
Outdone only by the pouring gas out of temp tank follow up.

If you had been TRYING to set a scooter on fire, I'm not sure you could have done better then pouring fuel down the chassis.
Alas, there is always the next time.

Congrats on the fire up!
So to speak.
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Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:45 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
fwiw, I run a 38 w/o a pump on the PK and don't have any issues.
This is good to know. I was going to weld some brackets onto the tank to mount it while it's gasoline-free and bare metal. I'll see how it does on nothing but gravity before I start adding complexity.
Ginch wrote:
Sounding great CM!

I've had times when for whatever reason the motor started to race, and even pulling the plug lead didn't stop it! I think I ended up laying it on its side to flood it.
Another good idea. Of course, in my case, there wasn't enough room just lay it over. And I wouldn't want to risk scratching (the dirt off of) that sweet, sweet paint job.
Ginch wrote:
Not sure if you can get one of these to access the mixture screw, couldn't find one specifically for a PWK.
https://www.kbmotorsports.com/atv/tuning-management/carburetor-accessories/flex-jet-keihin-fcr-fuel-mixture-screw.html
I have one of these long mix screws somewhere that'll be perfect if I can find it. Otherwise, it's not like I can't buy another.
charlieman22 wrote:
I don't know where to begin.
The racing engine fix was spectacular.
Outdone only by the pouring gas out of temp tank follow up.
Anyone can produce a video of things going well. It takes truly special person to pull the still-beating heart out of a running motor like that, douse himself in its energy-giving juices, then laugh about it declare things are going well.

But I'm totally normal. Totally. Well, mostly.
charlieman22 wrote:
If you had been TRYING to set a scooter on fire, I'm not sure you could have done better then pouring fuel down the chassis.
Alas, there is always the next time.
The best way I've found to set a scooter on fire requires starting fluid and a loose spark plug lead. Worked perfectly!
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Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:57 pm linkquote
Tonight, I made an engine stand for the Smallstate motor. I'm really happy with how it turned out. I might add a little bracing, in particular between the two front verticals.

The biggest mistakes of the evening were that I wore short sleeves, so I have a little bit of Welder's Sunburn on my arms, and my back was already sore and now it's *really* sore from hefting that motor around.

Fortunately, putting the motor in it is super-easy because I added little shelves for the motor to sit on at the front and rear mounts, so it pretty much just sits there and waits to be bolted in.

I'm going to add a stand for the gas tank, too, but didn't quite get there tonight. That'll just take a minute tomorrow, though, and then I'll fire it up again and start dialing it in so I can get to the fun part.

And holy crap is the workshop in an extreme state of disarray right now. I gotta get on that.


New stand. Who dis?


It doesn't look like it should fit...


...but it does!

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:01 am linkquote
Love the engine stand! Taking any orders by any chance??

My wooden one is pretty bad… good for assembly and that's about it… can't get the wheel on and not the strongest when kicking it over lol…

Definitely need a metal one…
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:02 am linkquote
The quatrinni manifold looks insane… !

There's 6 bolts!!

It looks huge!! (So she said…)
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:49 am linkquote
108 wrote:
The quatrinni manifold looks insane… !

There's 6 bolts!!

It looks huge!! (So she said…)
It's not all about cylinder size

For tonight, first up on the to-list is a proper pressure test. I skipped it to get to the first start, but I will not be surprised at all if I have head leaks with two homemade gaskets and (currently) no sealer up there.

I'm having a bitch of a time finding a screw-type sensor CHT. The Koso I've used in the past seems to have been discontinued and all I can find are under-plug sensors.

I could just get a K-Type Thermocouple and then match a gauge to it, but even that is proving a bit tricky to find a gauge that I like the looks of, especially in a small form factor.

Similar tach issues. I'll probably wind up grabbing a cheap one just to have something to get started, but I still won't like it.

And for the stand, 108, it took me maybe two hours to make because I was designing, measuring, and building on the fly. It took 2 1/2 pieces of 1.25x1/8x36" angle iron to make. That stuff has gotten expensive. I figured it'd be $20 in steel, but it came out to almost $50!

That's still a lot cheaper than my largeframe pipe stand, which cost about $75 in parts, IIRC, and that was at least five years ago, I think.
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:53 pm linkquote
Tonight's adventure was mostly finishing the engine stand. It definitely needs a cross-brace across the swingarm verticals, but in the process of adding a gas tank/condiment holder, I managed to burn the crap out of my left hand, so I'm going to just let it be for a bit.

I also pressure tested the motor and...it failed pretty miserably.

So I pulled out the ol' smoke generator and got to work.

The exhaust stub was leaking at the cylinder, confirmed visually once I pulled it apart. So I cleaned and re-sealed that with RTV and it's set up to cure. The fly side bolt is basically impossible to get to. I dremeled back the top of the stub a little so I could even get a ball-end allen wrench in there and it's now back in place and curing. It passed the smoke test before I came in, so I feel good about that.

More annoyingly, the fly side seal is leaking. That's a parts order, so no progress until Thursday or (more likely) Friday.

Now the GOOD news in all this is that I neither felt pressure, nor saw the slightest whiff of smoke out the crankcase breather, so no oil sucker problems where I had to repair the cases around the edge of the crank. That's a huge relief. It'll be an even huge-r relief once the cases hold air, though.

So assuming no other issues, I'm finally closing in on this thing.

And I found a place that can mount tires onto my SIP rims. Now I just gotta track down tires.
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:21 pm linkquote
Flywheel seal leak isn't bad!

That's progress at least!

Might need to make a smoke tester… not a fan of spraying water everywhere now, especially on cast iron.

Where's the old thread with the smoke tester?
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:29 pm

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:29 pm linkquote
Was it the "pressure tester that sucks" thread?

Here's mine. It's just a jar with fittings, a soldering iron, and rags sitting in baby oil.




And the Gas Tank/Condiment Stand

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:57 pm linkquote
my professional brain: this is madness! just total and utter chaos going on here. my OCD is making my ass twitch.

my lizard brain: yes! yes! more! inject it directly into my veins!

carry on good sir!
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:29 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Was it the "pressure tester that sucks" thread?

Here's mine. It's just a jar with fittings, a soldering iron, and rags sitting in baby oil.
That fuel tank jar stand is great too!

Will google the thread

What's the other hoses on the smoke tester?
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:17 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
my professional brain: this is madness! just total and utter chaos going on here. my OCD is making my ass twitch.
I'm actually right there with ya'. This always happens to me when I get down to that final push on a project. I go into Mad Scientist Mode and just grab what I need, pile it on the bench when I'm finished, periodically hang up the wrenches, stuff the screwdrivers and sockets where they belong until I find the one I'm looking for, then roll on. It's the one-and-done stuff and boxes it comes in that really puts things over the top. Just taking out all the accumulated junk will make a big difference.

I'll be using my evening or two of wait time for the new seals to show up to do some cleaning, straightening, and general organizing.

The injection of various side projects, e.g. building the engine stand, into mix didn't help by causing a while different set of tools to get dragged out into an already tight space.
108 wrote:
That fuel tank jar stand is great too!

Will google the thread

What's the other hoses on the smoke tester?
The tank stand is removable, too, for non-running engine holding tasks.

On smoke testers, here's the thread: Leak tester that sucks

In my picture, it's a Schrader valve that I hook up a bicycle pump to, the soldering iron, which just looks like a hose, followed by a standard pneumatic fitting that connects to the hose that then plugs into the spark plug hole.
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:38 pm linkquote
While I'm waiting for seals, I put the new Fast flow tap in the gas tank and spent some time picking up the workshop. It'd really been three projects (counting the smallie) since I made a real effort to clean it up, so there was plenty to do.

Now, though, it's all neat and clean, random bins of nuts & bolts sorted back to their appropriate sizes, all sorts of goodness. I never did find the extended PWK mixture screw, though. Oh, well. Can't win 'em all.

Now, I'm ready to hit it once the new seals arrive.




Something to soothe everyone's OCD

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:48 pm linkquote
New seals arrived today from SM so I replaced the bad seal. Next pressure test fail was at the cylinder base, so I pulled the top end, realized that the flywheel fan needed to be properly decked so the cylinder would seat. Fixed that, then put in a thin gasket just to be safe, buttoned it all back up and will re-test in the morning.
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:06 pm linkquote
Smells like progress!

I'm still in Leaksville…
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:14 pm linkquote
Yeah, definitely progress, but what I'd really like to see *results* at this point

I'm continuously amazed at how much more work this project has been than any other build I've done other than maybe my first VBB rebuild, and that wasn't because it was hard, but because I didn't know WTF I was doing!

My smoke tester has been an absolute lifesaver, though.

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:19 pm linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
I own a smallie."

IJS… 😁
I saw that!

Everyone was all "get a smallie! You'll be cool!"

So I got a smallie. But I'm still not cool. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:11 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
…but because I didn't know WTF I was doing.
How much different is the situation now?😁
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chandlerman wrote:
I saw that!

Everyone was all "get a smallie! You'll be cool!"


Ha!

By cool they meant you'd spend lots of time in the air conditioned shop working on the leaks. 😁
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:53 am linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
How much different is the situation now?😁
The difference is that now I *know* I don't know WTF I'm doing.
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Birdsnest wrote:
Ha!

By cool they meant you'd spend lots of time in the air conditioned shop working on the leaks. 😁


This is another one of those "should've read the fine print" moments, isn't it?

Also, I'm still not entirely sure how "being a successful smallie mechanic means you have small hands and go really fast" is a good thing.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:58 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:58 am linkquote
Good news: no more cylinder leaks.

Bad news: pressure out the oil breather hole.

Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:15 am

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62 VBB1T Round Tail W/ leaner sidecar
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:15 am linkquote
Uhg.
Cheech and Ching called, they want their "pickle jar" back.
Oily rags and a soldering iron?
All pretenses dropped: now u r just trying to light shit on fire.

Is there a weld repair on clutch side ur worried about or just a seal poorly seated?
Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:34 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:34 am linkquote
charlieman22 wrote:
Uhg.
Cheech and Ching called, they want their "pickle jar" back.
Dude...I don't know what you're talkin' about, dude...that totally wasn't me, man...I'd...I'd never do nothin' like that, man... (he's totally buyin' it! hehehehehe)"
charlieman22 wrote:
Oily rags and a soldering iron?
All pretenses dropped: now u r just trying to light shit on fire.
Yeah, but all it does is smoke! Worst. Pyromania. Ever.
charlieman22 wrote:
Is there a weld repair on clutch side ur worried about or just a seal poorly seated?
Weld repair on the fly side, actually. I broke through into the gearbox when I was grinding out clearance for the crank. Then, while fixing that, despite my best efforts, I still managed to damage the sealing surface.

Thought I'd shared pictures, but apparently not. Probably the first time ever someone has hoped for a leaky fly side seal.



Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:08 am

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PX 200
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PX 200
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:08 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Yeah, definitely progress, but what I'd really like to see *results* at this point

I'm continuously amazed at how much more work this project has been than any other build I've done other than maybe my first VBB rebuild, and that wasn't because it was hard, but because I didn't know WTF I was doing!

My smoke tester has been an absolute lifesaver, though.

So much more work for a smallframe.

Way more challenging.

Feel a little traumatised after sticking the engine in the frame… surely must be an easier way??

Makes working on the PX a breeze
Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:46 am

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:46 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Good news: no more cylinder leaks.

Bad news: pressure out the oil breather hole.


Sounds familiar
Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:47 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:47 am linkquote
I confirmed it was my case damage leaking. So I split the cases, built up the lip and gasket face with some JBWeld, then will form it and maybe press it into shape with the other case half once it's set up a little bit.

After that, it'll be a matter of hoping that's enough to hold it.



Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:22 am

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2007 Stella 225
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Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
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2007 Stella 225
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Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:22 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
I confirmed it was my case damage leaking. So I split the cases, built up the lip and gasket face with some JBWeld, then will form it and maybe press it into shape with the other case half once it's set up a little bit.

After that, it'll be a matter of hoping that's enough to hold it.
If you want to press it into a shape, put some wax paper down to keep the halves from sticking together.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:25 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Location: Nashville
 
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Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:25 am linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
If you want to press it into a shape, put some wax paper down to keep the halves from sticking together.
Kitchen plastic wrap or a little WD-40 on the other side works well, too. I wonder if just scribbling on the facing side with a crayon would also work.
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