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Thu May 12, 2022 11:29 am linkquote
Hey guys.

Mp3 500 HPE Advanced owner here...

I just installed j.costa in my stock almost new Piaggio and it runs great.

But somehow i wanna do something more... I dont need top speed (now its 157kph), if its 130 thats ok, i ride in the city mostly, i need accelerating.

The j.costa did help with accelerating but i would like more of it. What gramm bullets are best for max accetilation?

Do i need a new spring like Polini (blue spring) or keep stock?

Thanks guys!
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Thu May 12, 2022 12:48 pm linkquote
Where did you get your J Costa variator?

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Thu May 12, 2022 1:01 pm linkquote
Interesting; I had no idea there were different Variator's for MP3s that could be installed.

https://www.jcosta.com/en/blog/scooter-and-motorcycle-news-1/post/how-does-the-speed-variator-of-your-scooter-work-transversal-speed-variator-vs-the-stock-one-4

Does anyone have long-term experience with these for reliability, fuel economy, over-all performance?

Is it a drop-in for any MP3 500IE series? Or does it only work with specific versions of the Mp3 500 such as standard vs HPE?

Thanks.
Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 pm

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Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 pm linkquote
An JC vario for 500, will work on any 500. The engines are same-same. As long the vario is made for mp3 500 (gilera counts as mp3!) it will work.

And the performance is great, but there is still space for some fine-tunning i know zero about.

The bike runs smoother and has faster accelerating. I know few bikes they run it for 40-50k so durability is great.

I got mine from the dealer who sold me mine.

Im now after some sport-spring (polini) but i would like to know whats optimal from someone who has it allready fine-tunned, so i dont go buying parts and invest time for less power.

Its pricey (250€ give or take) but you get 90% of that power if you are on the budget; 16g in your stock vario and blue polini spring. Runs smoooooth AF. Smoother than j.c.

J.C is more like ON/OFF power, pure sport vario, prob the best or at least in top 3 you can get. You can cruise, but you feel your bike it wans full throttle.

RPMs go up to 7k and the engine loves it; just make sure the oil is hot, like always on any bike/car.

VMAX ob board comp. runs 158 easy.

I would buy it again and i would pay more if i have to.

Now i just have to fine tune it with some sport filter, spring, sport belt and so on...
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Thu May 12, 2022 7:42 pm linkquote
the j costa pins wear very fast, that is the reason they are not widely used .

yo can get excellent performance in a OEM vari by changing the stock rollers to the dr pulley sliders and most folks like the 16 or 17 gram.

you can also get a bit more low end punch by adding a 1 mm fuzzy washer to the stock 2 mm in-between the vari halfs for a total of 3mm.
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Fri May 13, 2022 1:13 am linkquote
I concur with the unusual rapid wear on the Costa. Weights seem to be .ade from old chewing gum.

I also tried Malossi, but ultimately went back to stock.

Since I do a lot of highway riding, the best combo I have found is a mix of stock Piaggio 25 grams along with 4 21gram weight to get a overall 23gram. You do have to stagger the weights during install (blue, black, blue, black and so on)
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Fri May 13, 2022 2:14 am linkquote
Guys i allready have the costa.

Looking for info what more do i need to upgr. to get max out of it.
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Fri May 13, 2022 4:12 am linkquote
LukasM wrote:
Guys i allready have the costa.

Looking for info what more do i need to upgr. to get max out of it.
your kinda on the island by yourself with the j costa.
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Fri May 13, 2022 7:07 am linkquote
LukasM wrote:
Guys i allready have the costa.

Looking for info what more do i need to upgr. to get max out of it.
You've got the grocery getter/mini van of the bike world. Yet you want more? Then as the old sayin' goes "there is no replacement for displacement". In other words, anything other than a MP3 that has more pistons.

As for getting the max out of the Costa? Maybe stock up on a couple of extra sets of pins a.k.a. weights? And keep one set somewhere on the bike in case you get stuck somewhere unexpected.

And if you're gonna rock the Costa for the long haul, definitely keep a spare centre bush (the goofy one with all the holes) on hand. It is also a known high wear item.

I tried the Costa and just about every other vario (Polini, Malossi, etc.) and Dr. Pulley clutch but for my kind of riding (mainly highway speeds) stock with slightly lighter weights is the sweet spot. I tried the Malossi and Polini contraspring has as well, but stock seems about the best overall given the limited muscle of the motor and the heavy weight of the bike.

The Costa was the worst of the lot for my type of riding. My picks from best to worst are stock (with staggered weights), Malossi, Polini, Costa.



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Fri May 13, 2022 7:21 am linkquote
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your kinda on the island by yourself with the j costa.
LOL. Now that's funny right there.



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Fri May 13, 2022 9:32 pm linkquote
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I concur with the unusual rapid wear on the Costa. Weights seem to be .ade from old chewing gum.
JCosta does not like sustained WOT riding. They are not designed for that. Their history goes back to circuit racing, point, and squirt.

European riders may wish to also look at Yasuni. A better JCosta for larger bikes.



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Sat May 14, 2022 3:10 am

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Sat May 14, 2022 3:10 am linkquote
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You've got the grocery getter/mini van of the bike world. Yet you want more? Then as the old sayin' goes "there is no replacement for displacement". In other words, anything other than a MP3 that has more pistons.

As for getting the max out of the Costa? Maybe stock up on a couple of extra sets of pins a.k.a. weights? And keep one set somewhere on the bike in case you get stuck somewhere unexpected.

And if you're gonna rock the Costa for the long haul, definitely keep a spare centre bush (the goofy one with all the holes) on hand. It is also a known high wear item.

I tried the Costa and just about every other vario (Polini, Malossi, etc.) and Dr. Pulley clutch but for my kind of riding (mainly highway speeds) stock with slightly lighter weights is the sweet spot. I tried the Malossi and Polini contraspring has as well, but stock seems about the best overall given the limited muscle of the motor and the heavy weight of the bike.

The Costa was the worst of the lot for my type of riding. My picks from best to worst are stock (with staggered weights), Malossi, Polini, Costa.

Thanks!!!

Thats the answer i was looking for! Before 2017 500 HPE i had a "normal" 2017 500 with like you said lighter rolls (16g) and the blue polini spring. Super smooth! Super dinamic, great to ride.

Then i got the new 2021 HPE, when i rode it home i was disapointed. No power, not nearly as smoot as the old one... Ok, what now. Insted of 16g and spring, i was thinking about spending some more. More money, more power right?

Not really. JC did make a huge diff. But its not smooth 0-30. The old bike was smooth 0-150km/h.

So what would you recomend? Dr. Pulley 16g and the blue spring?

In need a jumpy bike from 0-100. My VMAX is now 157, but i dont need that. 130 is enough.

What would you recomend for best accelerating MP3 500?

Thanks again mate!
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Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 am linkquote
The bucking from standstill in the current gen MP3 500 is mainly caused by the black 25gram weights.

What you are seeking is a bit asking for the impossible. There is no perfect solution, only compromises.

These are big heavy girls (for a scooter) and yet you want her to be a sprinter, and as any big girl will tell you "These t!tt!es don't run" 🤣

Since you ride mostly in town, and want more sprightly performance I'd try a full set of 19 or 21 grams weights or stagger the 2 for 20gram overall.

Going below 19gram and you'll start sacrificing significantly

You'll have to experiment, but the Piaggio weights are very cheap. Once you are happy with vario weights, then you can try different rear contrasprings. FWIW, i tried different rear contraspring but went back to stock. Also tried Dr. Pulley, but not enough of a difference to recommend it

Oh, and return the J Costa and put the money on better things like the OSRAM LED headlight kit
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Sat May 14, 2022 5:15 am linkquote




I have installed jcosta on four bikes. beo500, tmax 500, majesty 400, silverwing 600.

I was previously hooked on sliders (15% lighter than stock rolls), with malossi white contra spring (10% heavier than stock)

I couldnt find good info anywhere about what the contra spring does. in my head I figured it was a heavier spring so it would stay in first gear longer and do it with less belt slip. I did back to back swaps contra spring only so I could learn.

the contra spring is like changing your final drive ratio. a heavier spring raises ratio. a lighter spring lowers ratio. lower ratio= more load= lower rpm.

you should try the malossi white spring. it will sacrifice top end speed for better take off and snappier mid range.

one thing confuses me on the jcosta not being smooth comment. that is what I like most about it. it acts like a harmonic balancer on the crank. all engines run smoother with it. remarked so in my experience. maybe you are getting belt vibration? all the bikes ran butter smooth with jcosta installed.
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Sat May 14, 2022 9:02 am linkquote
Bingo. A owner with multiple Costas on different bikes. This is something I have been searching for for many years

Question: What is the average life of the plastic pins/weights across the 4 models you have?
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Sat May 14, 2022 12:35 pm linkquote
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Going below 19gram and you'll start sacrificing significantly

Sacrificing top speed? If thats, than i dont have a big prob. It has to be fast 0-100, 130 top speed is enough i guess.

Im sure my previous mp3 500 had 16g and blue polini spring (bought it like that, never saw it, but im sure it was like that due previous owner told me he can make it stock again and i said no) and that buke was smooth and fast.

Sure i should stick with 19g for good accelerating and decent top speed od 130?
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Sat May 14, 2022 12:52 pm linkquote
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Going below 19gram and you'll start sacrificing significantly

Sacrificing top speed? If thats, than i dont have a big prob. It has to be fast 0-100, 130 top speed is enough i guess.

Im sure my previous mp3 500 had 16g and blue polini spring (bought it like that, never saw it, but im sure it was like that due previous owner told me he can make it stock again and i said no) and that buke was smooth and fast.

Sure i should stick with 19g for good accelerating and decent top speed od 130?
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Sat May 14, 2022 1:47 pm linkquote
As I said previously, there is no perfect solution only compromises. These bikes are not designed to be quick off the line.

As far as sacrifices, you'll be sacrificng fuel economy and addtitional wear and tear on the motor and drivetrain among other things.
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Sun May 15, 2022 4:09 am linkquote
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As I said previously, there is no perfect solution only compromises. These bikes are not designed to be quick off the line.

As far as sacrifices, you'll be sacrificng fuel economy and addtitional wear and tear on the motor and drivetrain among other things.
I know it will never be an Hayabusa, but i would like to get max out of the bike. Fuel, wear, tear and other i dont care that much.

So any tipp how to make it faster 0-100 i would appreciate very much.

Thanks
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Sun May 15, 2022 4:53 am linkquote
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Bingo. A owner with multiple Costas on different bikes. This is something I have been searching for for many years

Question: What is the average life of the plastic pins/weights across the 4 models you have?
I dont have that data yet. so far only seen pins from the tmax after 5500 miles. they looked good like they would make 10k. the feedback on net is mostly from people not servicing the cvt when it needed it. and with older models of the jcosta.

the pro version has a drilled/anodized variator. diamond coated slide bearing, and other improvements. i am still believing lifespan is short compared to standard option varios. best bang for the buck is dr.pully sliders. especially for bike that does lots of miles. have seen sliders with 20k and no wear.

I drive for the pure sport of it. and I have too many scooters to put many miles on any one bike.
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Sun May 15, 2022 10:29 am linkquote
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So any tipp how to make it faster 0-100 i would appreciate very much.

Thanks
Shed weight (including the rider) wherever you can and turn it into a flying gas can. Not an easy task on a MP3. I am talking anything and everything non essential here, underseat bucket, top case, carrier, grab handles, mirrors, tupperware panels, remove the tilt lock entirely, maybe even remove one of the aluminum arms that tie the front wheels, even go as far as cut out non critical sections of the frame if need be.

2 quick 'n easy places to drop weight is exhaust such as Akrapovic and a lithium battery

Other than that, experiment with weights as mentioned previously and maybe a spring.
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Sun May 15, 2022 12:56 pm linkquote
I like my mp3 with 80lbs removed. I also run 140/60 tire. bike drives VERY sporty.
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Sun May 15, 2022 1:09 pm linkquote
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Shed weight (including the rider) wherever you can and turn it into a flying gas can. Not an easy task on a MP3. I am talking anything and everything non essential here, underseat bucket, top case, carrier, grab handles, mirrors, tupperware panels, remove the tilt lock entirely, maybe even remove one of the aluminum arms that tie the front wheels, even go as far as cut out non critical sections of the frame if need be.

2 quick 'n easy places to drop weight is exhaust such as Akrapovic and a lithium battery

Other than that, experiment with weights as mentioned previously and maybe a spring.
Naah, not like that... I ment what rolls, what spring,... Parts...

16g and blue polini? Or white malossi?
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Sun May 15, 2022 7:32 pm linkquote
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RPMs go up to 7k and the engine loves it;
Max power for the 500 Master engine is at 7250. So if your engine is pulling 7000 RPM during acceleration then that's about all you'll get.
Lighter weights won't necessarily make any difference.
You could put on a less restrictive exhaust but we don't have any RPM figures for that.
Fitting a stronger torque/contra spring to tighten up the transmission won't increase the power at 7000/7250

The Fuoco is a tad lighter than the MP3 but only about 17 kgs.

J Costa might be slightly larger in diameter than stock hence the max speed of 157.

You could check the variator boss and use some engineering blue to check the belt is as low as possible at idle ( fuzzy washer rationale) but J Costa will have designed that in from the beginning.

Be vigilant if changing belt manufacturer as some belts are wider and will sit higher in the variator at idle.

You could do some research and see if any of the major brands of 14 in rear tires have a smaller diameter. Which would lower your gearing a tad.
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Sun May 15, 2022 10:13 pm linkquote
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Naah, not like that... I ment what rolls, what spring,... Parts...

16g and blue polini? Or white malossi?
Already been discussed several times in this thread, so I am not going to repeat myself again.

As far as sport filters, sport belt, etc, they don't make any difference at all. There is zero sport in these bikes.

BTW, has this new MP3 been run in (broken in) properly yet and are you sure you don't have the engine mapping in ECO mode? If the bike is in ECO mode, the power will be off by about 30-35%
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