Modern Vespa

I finally got around to installing a Faco twin screen on my GTS.

Overall impression is good.
On the freeway, I felt like I could get up to speed faster and I think top speed increased. Felt good not fighting the wind.

I'm not sure where to set the adjustable windshield. At the lowest setting, the wind noise is terrible. Maybe I just need earplugs or a better helmet. But it's loud.
At the high setting, works great. But I did notice I got blown around a lot more on the freeway.
Halfway up wasn't any better than low. (Noise wise).
If it weren't for the wind noise, I think low would be just fine for me. But I'd rather not have to use ear plugs every time I ride.

So how is the noise with it all the way up at lower speeds like 50 to 55 mph.

I'm not seeing this as a glowing review. I think a full face helmet is the best thing for noise.

I have owned the split screen GTS for a few years. It is highly functional, not sure I ever noticed increase of speed using it. I also have a GTV with the full Faco windscreen, it is the quietest of them all, I never put my face shield down when riding it. However it is uncomfortable weather over 70 degrees, I cook behind the screen with no wind. Also it is like a big sail, if I go over 70 MPH I am blown all over the road, it is not fun.

The GTS is a great compromise. It is the best of both worlds, it looks very sporty with the tinted glass, and it provides adequate wind deflection. The size of the screen deflects the wind differently, so you have to take that into perspective on what you are trying to do. If you don't want wind directed to your helmet, you should go with something a little larger than the GTS, Faco and Vespa both make a medium size one which is about the size of the Faco GTS fully extended they work well, but then again summer riding they fall short on keeping you cool, and with that the enjoyment factor goes down as well.

Helmets are rated in DB sound as well as other safety factors, consider a new helmet you would be surprised what kind of a sound barrier a decent helmet can provide.

Just my 2 cents. Happy riding.

It is very good at those speeds with the screen all the way up. No issues. I have a full face helmet. Wind noise increased almost two fold (seems like).

It's a nice windscreen. Well made. Adjusts very easy with the two knobs. I don't think I'd change it out for a fixed windscreen. I'll need to try out some helmets with better sound insulation. Any recommendations?

I use a Sedici https://www.cyclegear.com/gear/sedici-sistema-ii-carbon-helmet
I like it, it is a Modular helmet, which it is louder than the AGV full face helmet I have. It really is personal preference. This particular helmet I used when I did the Cannonball run last summer, wore it for 10 days straight. It is light and comfortable, you never understand the need for a light helmet until you use it for multiple days in a row. It is well built and I have not had trouble with it. My wife uses an older Shuberth and she really likes it. Trying them on is the best bet, and revzilla has some really good helmet reviews as well.

You say the noise level is very good at 50 to 55. Is it comfortable without ear plugs? How tall are you and where does the top of the screen come on your face when it is all the way up?

I never ride without ear plugs and full face helmet. Windscreens can cause more buffeting, unless it's very tall or very short. On a couple of my bikes, I just go without a screen & slow down to 55 mph; that seems to work a lot better than a medium screen.
As for helmets, Aria, Schuberth or Shoei are solid choices that should last 5-10 years. Just make sure it fits & don't worry about the price.
Get on Amazon & order 2 or 3 different styles of earplugs to see which one works for you. I use these...work good at the range too!
https://www.amazon.com/Quality-Reusable-Silicone-Ear-Plugs/dp/B08STXH262/ref=sr_1_151?crid=1PLA3WNUJFTM9&keywords=motorcycle+ear+plugs&qid=1652913324&sprefix=motorcycle+ear+plugs%2Caps%2C117&sr=8-151

I wear earplugs all the time when riding. Wind noise levels will be impacted by several factors.

Wind screen height and it's ability to route airflow over your head.

Helmet venting and shape affects aerodynamic properties of the helmet.

Visor seal, neck roll, and chin curtain also affect wind noise. A better seal will help to prevent wind noise penetrating the helmet.

WebBikeWorld has done many long term helmet reviews over the years. Lots of great info to be reviewed there.

Anecdotally, my new LS2 Valiant II seems to be a lot louder than my old Nolan N104. But I'm also riding a different scoot with a windscreen that is shorter, which might be the key factor in increased wind noise I'm experiencing.

All the above. I'm afraid there's no magic bullet for this. My issues with tall(ish) windscreens are twofold: first-and-foremost is the "sail" effect, particularly in crosswinds. I'm lucky that the Flyscreen (which I had on Melody, and now have on Thelonica) actually has a minor stabilizing effect in windy conditions, which would likely disappear with taller screens. (it also helps goose the bike's top-end a tad on account of aero effect.) The one downside is that I'd never want to ride at speed wearing anything but a FF or modular helmet, but since FF is all I ever use, it's not much of an issue, but that brings me to the second bit: most of the noise I deal with come from air rushing under the helmet, even though most of the air deflected by the Flyscreen is directed toward the upper half of my helmet. When I had the removable chin-insulator attached to my helmet (HJC RPHA 70ST), noise levels went down appreciably; now that it's warmer out in these parts, I've removed it, and it's noisier, though hardly deafening, thankfully.

Amateriat - you might find that a cooling neck gaiter rolled around your neck might quiet some the wind noise you're now experiencing.

I've put about 350 miles on a twinscreen, and I am liking it. While it is almost 1.5 in shorter than my cut down givi on my other GTS, ot puts the wind high enough to cause no buffeting and very little turbulence. It is slightly louder, but not by much. I like it.

I want to install a Garmin Zumo XT 5.5" on one of the post of the Faco GTS twin screen. Does the sliding mechanism for the movable windshield allow this?

Perhaps someone could post a picture of te Faco Twin screen from the backside so I can see if I can install the RAM Ball mount.

Here's mine on a Sprint. Probably depends on how high you slide up the adjustable screen.

Thank you !!!!

Mine is a GTS but this give me some idea 🙏

I ended up exchanging some emails with Scooter West. They could not provide me with a detailed picture or drawing of the backside and sliding mechanism of the 2nd screen. My main concern was if there would be enough space left for the RAM mount to position the Garmin GPS while still being able to slide the screen down. The answer was that there should be enough space.

So I broke down and ordered the FACO Twin screen for my 2019 Vespa GTS hpe.

The hardware is decent but the instructions are non existent. Watching some Youtube videos was helpful. It takes some puzzling but with some common sense and experience it all came together.

Putting the bolt trough the long bushing puzzled me for a while. It only went in for 1-2 inches but then got stuck.Turns out that a quick tap with a hammer pushed the bolt trough.

The most important thing I learned from Mr Robot was that the expansion nuts need to be pushed in all the way. It took a couple of decent taps with a hammer to drive them inn all the way before tightening with an 8MM Allen wrench (not included).

The plastic nuts to mount the screens are very soft so be gentle while tightening them!

My scooter lost its cool sleek look and has been transformed in very nice looking travel machine with the windshield and the bag on the luggage rack.

Unfortunately mounting the Garmin GPS with the RAM mount interferes with the sliding windshield. I cannot slide it all the way down neither can I position it where I had it in mind but I think it worked out ok.

I connected the power supply to wiring to the USB ports I had in stalled and routed the wired trough the opening for the left mirror. No need to drill holes

Tomorrow I will take it for a test ride to see if the windshield prevents the wind from swirling under the face shield causing my eyes to water like the Niagara Falls.

Looks good. I'll be I'll be curious to hear how much it cuts down the wind noise.

I had the same limitation when mounting my Garmin using the windshield bracket as the mounting point and got a longer arm for the mount. I don't have a good pic of my setup from the backside.

You can get a longer double socket arm from RAM that will allow you to slide the bracket further down, giving you a few more inches to adjust the inner screen downward if needed.

Here's a search on Amazon for longer arms...

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ram+double+socket+arm&crid=1E3B41PCDHRQA&sprefix=ram+double+socket+arm%2Caps%2C96&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

I have it in storage might order one.
Also thinking about making a bar that goes across the two mounting points of the window.
Going out for a longer test ride in a bit before doing anything else

Returned from my test ride.
Wow what a different it makes on the open roads!

I only wished the screen was taller. Fully extended its 15" above the headlight. For sure not more turbulence behind my face shield. I also noticed that the top speed is higher and need less gas to cruise along at 60MPH (GPS speed not the 70 on the speedometer .

Now I wish it was a couple of inches taller because when I duck down a bit it gets really quiet and comfortable.

I might order a large screen and sell this one.
This will also allow me to mount the GPS on one of the posts where I want it...

Maybe the best overall, but another thought, at least for wishing it were taller, is to get a laminar lip to mount on the top. Still won't solve your GPS issue, though....

That was my thought for a medium size screen. These are 13.5" tall and I don't think a laminar spoiler would have been sufficient given the fact that a 15" needs to be taller for me.

One small complaint I have about the twin screen is that it vibrates in the wind. Its not huge but noticeable. I think adding the spoiler to the top of it will make it worse.

I have the twin screen on my 300 – I like that is adjustable for on days I want to just use a helmet it is easy to just push it down and enjoy. It is when the weather is bad, I find the problems.
Notice there is no handgrip wind protection, worst is the area between the screen and the front of the scooter. There is a large gap allowing all that nice cold/hot air in/through. The wife's scooter, 250 has a cut down Vespa large screen – wonderful it is. There is very little noise, it is much warmer in cold air especially noticeable on long trips, and in the good weather it is just fine though more restrictive than the twin screen.

I installed my twin screen a few days ago. Yea, the instructions or lack of, require a little bit of imagination. I didn't watch a video but I left everything hand tight until I found a home for all the pieces. First ride was 30 miles to the Jersey shore. It was windy and high 60's. First few miles I contemplated turning back, I was getting blown all over the place. I had the screen extended all the way. There were times I felt like I was plowing snow and my speed was changing frantically. I was on a highway with a 65 mile an hour speed limit and I was pushing the mighty 250 to 65-70 indicated speed. In all honesty, there is a good probability that this ride would have sucked without the new windscreen. This scooter is much lighter than my other bike. Rained on the way back and the screen kept the rain off of my upper body, big plus. I think the wind screen keeps you warmer if it's cool out. Noise, I'm not sure. This was a very wide highway with a 30' grass median. The cross winds were easily gusts @ 20 mph. I'm guessing that riding 40-50 mph is the sweet spot for this wind screen, it's not acting like a big sail at lower speeds. When fully extended, the jet stream is hitting my helmet, I'm 5' 11" for reference. I have a full face helmet that is aerodynamic so this isn't an issue. I'll have to go out with my half helmet and see how that feels. So in a nutshell, I like the twin. I just have to get used to it. It's well made and looks cool.

A bit late to the party but I have one on my GTS. Honestly it's "fine" . Not great but gets the job done and for the most part I keep it on the lower position. If I'm doing a lot freeway riding I will put it up and it does help with the buffeting. I MUCH prefer it over the the taller OEM screen and while you can chop that down then I'd rather just get the twin screen. The OEM and some others may offer better wind protection for the hands but I have gloves fro whatever nature throws at me on the Vespa and on hot days prefer the airflow.

I much prefer looking over and not through my windscreen and even extended the Flacoaco does that and offers decent wind protection. I will go on long rides on my Vespa including time on the slab however I have other bikes I take out for longer trips so that might be a part of it. Honestly the most important thing is to keep the wind off the chest as that causes excess fatigue and I find the Fact does that and adds a little extra protection when I want it.

Same here/hear. I wish it was 1.5" taller. It doesn't cause much extra noise for me, but I may install a laminar lip device to push that air completely over my helmet

Please give us a report if you do it.

I also felt the inner screen was a bit too short when fully extended. I wound up replacing the entire inner screen with a custom piece I made from a tinted windscreen for the Genuine Blur.

I had to cut it to narrow it a bit and drilled some holes for the mounting. I also heated it in a cardboard box "oven" using a heat gun (this process was monitored VERY carefully) to allow be to adjust the curvature to match the Faco's outer screen.

I really liked the result as it helped reduce the amount of wind (and fatigue) on my helmet, and reduced noise as well. As you can see in the pics, I still have about 2.5 inches more height available if wanted.

i am also 5'11 and find it to be too short fully extended, my hcj ismax2 is probably not the most quiet but i can ride short distances without plugs no problem, screenless that is, every position on the faco twin makes the noise unbearable, the highest does not increase wind pressure to the helmet but still makes a nasty noise, also since low position is the only one that does not cook you in hot weather, it is useless above city speeds because of the noise. Then when its hot and you put the screen up, you are cooked inside your full face and it gets foggy too.

I have used a Twin screen on a GTS and a Laminar lip on a BV350 and a GTS. I agree with your observation about vibration of the Twin screen and about that being exaggerated by a Laminar lip.

I just bought the same Sedici helmet! I had a list that I'd researched and tried different models and sizes and thought: OK, Nice, OK, Good.... then I put the Sedici on and it fit RIGHT. It's all a personal preference for head shape/size. The real surprise is it was a 3XL! In some brands I wear an XL. My Nolan was a 2XL. The Italians run small!
It was also a really good price compared to others on my list so; win for me!

I've been riding with a laminar lip on my twin screen now for about 1364 miles... since my top end rebuild. This is Salt, one of two Vespas I have. I bought it for peanuts... it needed a top end rebuild . Thus was my first go round wrenching on a Vespa (for you newbie Vespa wrenches struggling with that first rebuild... don't give up!), and I think it has been successful. Anyway, the laminar lip as shown adds about an inch to the screen height and further cuts wind for taller riders. Yes, there is slightly more vibration, but that is all.

The only complaint that I have with the twin screen is that there is almost no hand protection. Any light drizzle or fog will leave my gloves soaked.

I share this observation as well. The twin screen is somewhat narrow and offers little protection for the rider's hands. I use a Vespa mid-height on my GTS. It is wider and has extensions that provide some coverage for my hands. My only criticism of the mid-height screen is that it is really most suitable for short to average height riders. A taller rider will do better with a cut down tall screen or a Laminar Lip extension on a mid-height screen IMO.

I installed this on my 2020 Vespa GTS SuperTech 300 HPE. It looks really nice and I have also added the Laminar lip and it helps with buffeting. The only drawback I found so far (only a single 10 mile ride) on city streets is that the water from the rain with the extender fully extended, basically soaks my dashboard and also my RAM-mounted iPhone. I figured I can put a sandwich bag over the top of the iPhone, but the fact that water from the rain drips down in front of the raised extender and onto my dashboard may make this a no-go for me.

Have others experienced this in the rain? If so, thoughts?

I have attached a pic for reference.

I typically don't ride in the rain. And I live in the desert so I don't have to deal with that much.

I think I'm going to sell this windshield. Most likely, I'll get two. A short one for summer and a tall one for winter. Swapping it pretty easy. It only takes me maybe 5 minutes.