Tue May 24, 2022 2:45 am

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Piaggio MP3 ie 400 (RIP)
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Posts: 190
Location: Sydney
Tue May 24, 2022 2:45 am linkquote
Hello All,

I like to know which is better to install on a scooter: the original manufacture's disk brake or aftermarket disk brake? I talked to a dealer and of course he recommended the original manufacture's products and not after market,
I am asking to know if there is a difference in the performance between the two, as there is significant difference in the price. I don't mind buy the original, only if it is better, but if they are all the same but paying extra for the name, then the money in my pocket is better,
any comments will be appreciated!!!

thanks all,
Tue May 24, 2022 5:10 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
 
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Tue May 24, 2022 5:10 am linkquote
Are you asking about the rotor or the brake pad specifically?

The stock brake pad seem to last very very long on my 2015 MP3, and got a full spare set (front, rear, parking) of brake pads when I bought a Piaggio "maintenance kit"
Tue May 24, 2022 8:17 am

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2020 Liberty 150, 2020 MP3-500
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Tue May 24, 2022 8:17 am linkquote
Caliper, Rotor Or Pads?
Any differences are minor
For calipers, more pistons, stop better
Pads that wear quicker, have better feel, especially in the wet
Wed May 25, 2022 3:32 am

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Piaggio MP3 ie 400 (RIP)
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Wed May 25, 2022 3:32 am linkquote
Garthhh wrote:
Caliper, Rotor Or Pads?
Any differences are minor
For calipers, more pistons, stop better
Pads that wear quicker, have better feel, especially in the wet
hi thanks but I am talking about the Rotor (I know them as disk brakes), so are there difference between the original manufacture rotor (disk brakes) and after market ones?
thanks,
Wed May 25, 2022 5:23 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Wed May 25, 2022 5:23 am linkquote
I have more experience as a car mechanic, and in that world the only choice the works the long haul is either OE (original equipment) or a very reputable brand such as Brembo, Pagid, Ferodo, ATE, etc. Example: You don't buy Bosch brake parts because that is not really their core business, it is just somebody else's crap stuffed into a Bosch box.

And specifically when it comes rotors, stay away from anything coming out of China. Their steel is basically recycled potmetal hence the low tempting price, but they either a) wear out crazy fast, b) warp, or a combination of both.

Brakes is not a area where I try to pinch pennies on.
Thu May 26, 2022 12:41 am

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Piaggio MP3 ie 400 (RIP)
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Location: Sydney
 
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Location: Sydney
Thu May 26, 2022 12:41 am linkquote
sbaert wrote:
I have more experience as a car mechanic, and in that world the only choice the works the long haul is either OE (original equipment) or a very reputable brand such as Brembo, Pagid, Ferodo, ATE, etc. Example: You don't buy Bosch brake parts because that is not really their core business, it is just somebody else's crap stuffed into a Bosch box.

And specifically when it comes rotors, stay away from anything coming out of China. Their steel is basically recycled potmetal hence the low tempting price, but they either a) wear out crazy fast, b) warp, or a combination of both.

Brakes is not a area where I try to pinch pennies on.
Thanks a lot, as I mentioned in my first post, I want to know if the difference is in to quality and performance, I am not looking for savings, especially in the braking system. If they are the same quality and performance, then I will look at the money side,
thanks,
Sun May 29, 2022 8:36 am

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 4410
Location: Netherlands Olst
 
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Posts: 4410
Location: Netherlands Olst
Sun May 29, 2022 8:36 am linkquote
ng sells good diskes



The NG 1090x

Another tip don't buy the HPE they are cheaper but then you need also the caliper from the HPE because the diske is slightly larger
Sun May 29, 2022 9:37 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
 
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Sun May 29, 2022 9:37 am linkquote
Maksor wrote:
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Another tip don't buy the HPE they are cheaper but then you need also the caliper from the HPE because the diske is slightly larger
That is not 100% correct.

Starting with the 3rd gen MP3 around 2014-2015 (not counting the Yourban) the front discs received the larger 258mm size and matching caliper as standard equipment.

The only difference with the HPE is the use of petal looking rotors, which is purely for esthetical reasons and is actually slightly less efficient (less rotor surface area)
Mon May 30, 2022 10:42 pm

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Mon May 30, 2022 10:42 pm linkquote
EHhh How many calipers and disk did you change on the mp3??

The ABS got a different brake calipers and pads then the old 500
The HPE got also a slightly different caliper mount

And wave disk work better they keep at a cooler temp so less chance on a vaper lock
Tue May 31, 2022 1:05 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Location: Belgium
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 1:05 am linkquote
Maksor wrote:
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The ABS got a different brake calipers and pads then the old 500
The HPE got also a slightly different caliper mount

And wave disk work better they keep at a cooler temp so less chance on a vaper lock
Correct, and when did ABS appear on the MP3? With the introduction of the 3rd gen MP3, circa 2014-2015 although Piaggio did shuffle off some very early 3rd gen MP3s without ABS and those oddballs without ABS did have the smaller 240mm setup from the older generation.

On a superbike, I can see the need to minimize vapor lock but a city runabout bike like the MP3 that can't even break 100mph? Nope.

I'm sticking to the "lipstick on a pig" theory.
Tue May 31, 2022 2:14 pm

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Neutrino MP3 492.7 AK, 2013 Moto Guzzi Norge
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Location: Harriman, Tennessee, Tn
 
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Neutrino MP3 492.7 AK, 2013 Moto Guzzi Norge
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Tue May 31, 2022 2:14 pm linkquote
sbaert wrote:
On a superbike, I can see the need to minimize vapor lock but a city runabout bike like the MP3 that can't even break 100mph? Nope.
why can't your scooter go over 100mph? hell even the ones I serviced that were cream puffs went over 100.
mine bone dam stock I hit 106 on the gps right after I had it and I still had a little bit left.
Tue May 31, 2022 9:50 pm

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Tue May 31, 2022 9:50 pm linkquote
old as dirt wrote:
why can't your scooter go over 100mph? hell even the ones I serviced that were cream puffs went over 100.
mine bone dam stock I hit 106 on the gps right after I had it and I still had a little bit left.
You must have gotten your hands on all the unicorns in the MP3 realm or your GPS is as optimistic as the MP3 speedo. See link, which has the HPE "high performance engine"

Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:16 am

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2020 Liberty 150, 2020 MP3-500
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Location: Reno
 
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Posts: 468
Location: Reno
Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:16 am linkquote
When I'm going from from 3000 meters to 500 meters in elevation I can cook the brakes on nearly anything if I ride hard enough
Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:39 pm

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LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
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Location: Kingdom of Lanna
 
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LXV 150 3v ie. Midnight Blue (Sold) Now Honda Zoomer X
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Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:39 pm linkquote
If you want to stop quicker EBC HH pads. They will wear quicker.
Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:35 am

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 4410
Location: Netherlands Olst
 
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Posts: 4410
Location: Netherlands Olst
Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:35 am linkquote
there is a thread here on my first mp3 thats laying in a ditch after a VL

it doesn't happen above 100 mile bending road are enough with 60 mph
   

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