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I knew you'd find it. I'm just glad you didn't need to split the cases again Razz emoticon
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I knew you'd find it. I'm just glad you didn't need to split the cases again Razz emoticon
I'm still going to need to pull the cylinder to add that base gasket back, but if it's running well, that's a matter of deciding I need those last couple horses, which'll come in time.

What I really want to do is get the Smallie going, but that means clearing up my backlog of largeframe projects first. And money. Lots of money for what I'm planning...
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I think that I can now officially tick "fixing the GL" off the list.

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Digging in on electrical, I swapped the plug to start. No difference. I'm apparently out of spare new plugs, so I had to see which of the random used plugs I had would work. This was not all bad, because it caused me to throw out the various fouled plugs that I've never thrown away because I'm a hoarder.

With a Known Good plug, I finally got to timing. I had to re-mark the cases and flywheel, but once I did, I put the gun on it and...it was firing at TDC at 5,000 RPM's. Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon Facepalm emoticon

(That's one Facepalm emoticon per degree of timing fail, btw)

So whoever had "timing set to TDC" in the betting pool can claim their prize.

Naturally, while I was adjusting the stator, the first rain in two weeks decided to roll in, so now I'm waiting out the thunderstorm to see if that's fixed it, but my gut is that it has.
You were so close to having a scooter that ran backwards only needed a few more degrees.
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You were so close to having a scooter that ran backwards only needed a few more degrees.
True, but I didn't wanna steal BN's schtick
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I think that I can now officially tick "fixing the GL" off the list.

So good…

2 down, 1 to go

Time it takes for parts to arrive for the smallie. You can start your saving plan now… Laughing emoticon
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I was thinking egig 170 for the Smallie, but the cylinders are sold out and the cranks are stupid-expensive, so I'm back to evaluating my options. I'm interested in the egig one-finger clutch, too.

But it's going to be a reed valve screamer, whatever I do. Maybe I'll splurge for a PipeDesign exhaust.
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I was thinking egig 170 for the Smallie, but the cylinders are sold out and the cranks are stupid-expensive, so I'm back to evaluating my options. I'm interested in the egig one-finger clutch, too.

But it's going to be a reed valve screamer, whatever I do. Maybe I'll splurge for a PipeDesign exhaust.
Will be fun regardless.

Oh don't skimp on the clutch basket… even if the basket on mine wasn't trashed, I think it wouldn't have took long to trash it…

There's no competition between the pressed basket vs CNC basket. It's light years ahead in terms of construction. Just the thickness of materials is evident.

But doing the maths… it still works out cheaper than a largeframe CNC clutch and it's better design.

No wonder those German and Italian companies work on so many smallframe parts…!!
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I was thinking egig 170 for the Smallie, but the cylinders are sold out and the cranks are stupid-expensive, so I'm back to evaluating my options. I'm interested in the egig one-finger clutch, too.

But it's going to be a reed valve screamer, whatever I do. Maybe I'll splurge for a PipeDesign exhaust.
Have you thought about the VMC ET7? Dirt cheap, aluminum and three part exhaust.
https://www.10pollici.com/en/homepage/classic-vespa/engine/cylinders/smallframe/racing-cylinder-vmc-135cc-et7-58x51-aluminium-booster-outlet-vespa-smallframe-side-spark-plug-2-piston-rings.2.1.25.gp.9466.uw

Sounds good to me:
I'd go one step further on the clutch. Get the Hartz 4 if you possibly can. Comes with proper basket and plates with thick tabs. Stings once but only once. I went first for BGM Superstrong and then updated to Hartz after much hassle.
https://www.lambretta-teile.de/Clutch-complete-LTH-Hartz-43-Vespa-V50-PV-PK-XL2
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I'd go one step further on the clutch. Get the Hartz 4 if you possibly can.
The Hartz does look good… can't beat Honda plates…

With the Hartz, which engine cases are you using? V50 or primavera?

Does it rub on tire with the extra spacer if it's 3.00 tire?
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Primmy cases for me with PK XL2 clutch cover. The XL2 cover with geared actuator is not needed with this clutch though.

It needed the clutch cover to be spaced out a tad with the supplied spacer and I made my own shims behind the brake plate and wheel hub to get them out 1mm.

Detailed installation instructions writeup can be found here:
https://vespasmallframeforum.proboards.com/thread/23950/installing-hartz-4-clutch
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Nice…!

Ah it's you with the clutch!
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You know what I have got the same problem with the 3)4 gear's slipping in and out my front wheel lock up but Hay l just kept pushing on for about 200 yards or so and I believe it is the clutch burnout. Hopefully a new plates may solve it just need to try and find a way to do it ✊
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I was expecting that I'd find bent tabs on the clutch plates as a big part of the problem, but it was definitely the excess gear play and cruiciform replacement that finally fixed it.
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YER MAN just what I was thinking about and now I am starting to get the right plates ! and that seclusion part 👍 nice one l will get one of them as well ✊
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I added some indicator LED's to my dash plate tonight. This will hopefully reduce the amount of time I spend cruising down the road oblivious to the fact my blinker has been on since I last turned.
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What's that speedo stuff? See the trail tech nearby…..
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What's that speedo stuff? See the trail tech nearby…..
It's a 52mm GPS speedo. The antenna is the black hockey puck on the mirror stalk. The two LED's on the blanking plate are turn signal indicators.

The trailtech is a tach, and mostly out of frame in the bottom right is a Koso CHT.
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