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I just drove to Indianapolis to pick this project up yesterday. I had fantasized about it being in better shape than it is, but it could be worse.
Initial plans:
-Stabilize rust. Possibly a patch or brace/support
-clean over spray from trim
-fork bearings, front wheel bearings, cables, wiring...
-collect missing bits (lights, speedo...)

Upcoming:
-Find a motor to swap in without cutting the frame. I want something super cheap to get it running and riding and keep 8" wheels. A friend suggested a VNA motor as a possibility, also considering a VBB motor.

Hopefully someday I will have enough money to do a proper restoration or even come across a better candidate for restoration. For the time being, my goal is to get this back on the road and have fun riding it.
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Cool get!!!!

Congrats!.

See deal of the day thread for a vnb engine opportunity…
(DSnyder wanted some of the other bits)
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Nice! I look forward to watching it get resurrected
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why not resurrect the engine that's in there?
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why not resurrect the engine that's in there?
True that. I believe they actually make some go fast bits....err... "go faster"(?) bits for those old birds these days.
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It just depends on your goals, is all. Probably easiest to swap in something and call it a day but until you tear it down I'd reserve judgment.
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What brand is that carrier?

Sick bike and that rust ain't bad at all!
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Rebuilding the stock motor is not off the table, but it gets pricey to build one that can keep up with traffic around town. I am thinking I can accomplish that cheaper with a later motor.
I am also only going to do a swap if I can find a way not to cut anything so it is fully reversible. No final decisions have been made just yet.

It will be a slow process.
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What brand is that carrier?

Sick bike and that rust ain't bad at all!
Not sure about the carrier, my cousin gave it to me, works great for a lighter scooter or moped. I always run some straps to the roof rack,mint helps keep the load from bouncing and gives me some peace of mind.
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A VB1 stock motor is a respectable lump. You'll lose more hair trying to squish a VBB in there than learning to rebuild that one.
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Nothing takes the soul out of a Widebody like putting a Largeframe engine in it.
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I don't think it's all that bad. If fact I'm a little jelly Razz emoticon Nice scoot
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Very cool project. Totally worth building out that original engine. There are plenty of performance upgrades to fiit, and make it road worthy for modern riding. Widebody Vespa's with original engines are such a cool thing
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Love the bulls eye braided rug seat cover.
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Love the bulls eye braided rug seat cover.
It's a hippie-mod mod Laughing emoticon
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Seems like building the original motor is widely deemed the appropriate course of action.
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Sure would be cool to watch!
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Seems like building the original motor is widely deemed the appropriate course of action.
I would say so. The easy way = slap a large frame engine in. Its been done by many, many times. But the COOL WAY = tune up that original engine and make it rip! Worth the investment, and there are not to many tuned up widebody's around here - so extra cool points for that. Plus, your Vespa will be more valuable with the original equipment, and extra bragging points for showing appreciation for the early Vespa engineering.
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No real exciting updates, but the original motor is going to be used and I am starting to plug away at things.

I dropped the motor and started disassembly. PB Blaster, a torch, some sage advice from more knowledgeable people, and more patience than I normally practice have gotten me this far.

Also, it is a 1958' not a 1957.
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Motor is disassembled, ready to clean and begin rebuilding.
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Nice!
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Very cool! Can't wait to watch as the build goes on!
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I am going to be doing things in stages as funds roll in. I did decide to sell my 100 Sport to buy another bike and give this project a little bump.

There are a lot of things to tackle that require more time than money too. I have it in my basement right now, it's been nice to be able to work on it comfortably in the winter. At some point I will need to move the frame out to the garage for some welding.
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Cases need more scrubbing, but my hands are pruney and I need to get more scrubby pads.
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Boy, that is looking good. I never get mine that clean except on the inside. Kudos!
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Lots of work to do to the rest of the bike too.
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More disassembly and carefully labeling bits and pieces.
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More progree, the fork hadbeen disassembled.

The bad. Floor board is worse than I initially thought, I considered patching the bad spots, but under advisement of a friend I am going to replace the whole floor. SIP carries a panel that looks like it wraps up far enough to help take care of this bad spot o the lower legshield.
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There is some original paint under all of this red.
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I am experimenting with some different strippers and tools for removing two layers of red paint. I finished the fender shortly after snapping this picture. I am going to try acetone and MEK and see if either of those is a bit faster than oven cleaner or the low odor stripper I tried.
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More stripping. Gotta make some money to build this motor.
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Any tips?
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I gave up on stripping my 200 very quickly. The original paint might have been decent under the respray, but stripping it was really slow. Hardware store strippers just suck now. Back in the late 80's I stripped the factory paint off a set of cowls in my girlfriend's driveway. Took the paint off in about 5 minutes before it went straight to work on the driveway. Her dad wasn't too happy.

Maybe aircraft stripper? I ended up using a fiber disk on an angle grinder and a wire wheel with a drill to get into tight spots. It's the easiest, fastest way, but it takes it down to bare metal. Citrus strip worked ok on smaller parts when covered with plastic, but required many rounds of applying and scraping. Most strippers leave factory paint intact.
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Still lots of work to do to the frame, bit I am getting close to putting the motor back together with some updates.
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Very cool! That cylinder will be exact what the scooter needs to keep up with the times. I have a second VB1 project that i'm thinking about doing something with. The stock crank and cylinder are rusted together, so it's either spend a LOT of $$$$ on transforming the wideframe engine to something faster, or swap in a PX150 EFL autolube engine. I'd prefer keeping the wideframe engine, but good golly, if i went with Pinasco cases, 4 speed conversion, and all the others accoutrements that i want, it would be around $4k! I'll definitely be keeping a sharp eye on this thread!
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For stripping paint….

Try citrus stripper and coat it on thick. Then cover it with plastic wrap (Saran wrap at the grocery store kind of stuff) and let it sit for a day. Should be much much easier to remove then.
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Awesome, I will give that a try. I actually just grabbed some of that and haven't opened it yet.
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Awesome, I will give that a try. I actually just grabbed some of that and haven't opened it yet.
I used that method on my bare metal bike. It was painted with a brush in sea foam green. There wasn't much original paint under it but it only took off the green. Then I removed the last bits of blue.
Keeping it wet is key. Once it dries out it stops working so the wrap helps greatly.
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