Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:40 pm

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P200E
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:40 pm linkquote
Hi

Lots of rain today.. Speedo looks like an aquarium now.. Just missing the fishies..

Anyone ever install one of these: https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/product/speedometer-lens-kit_50534100?q=Speedometer

How do you remove/install the new lens ?

Thanks !
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:11 pm

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Location: San Francisco, CA
 
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:11 pm linkquote
It's kind of a pain.

The bezel is aluminum. You can just pry it off at the bottom with a screwdriver.

Putting a new one on takes some work. You just reassemble, but they were originally stamped on, but to replace, you have to peen over the edge, while applying pressure so it's tight.

If you can save the original lens, do it. They polish out pretty well. The original lenses were domed slightly and the replacement ones are flat. They work, but look a little different.

I might also recommend Speedo King. They'll check and fix anything broken.
http://speedoking.com/


Speedo King rebuild

Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:29 pm

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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:29 pm linkquote
Kit is crap. Since you are at that side of the pond, send it to Speedo King...
Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:33 pm

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:33 pm linkquote
I can't recommend Speedo King enough.

On my p200, I replaced just the bezel, which you can get from Scooterwest, and polished out the lens.

It looked much nicer, and was water tight, but had that old speedo thing where it you had to tap it to get it to 0, and never went above about 45.

But I repainted the needle.



Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:51 pm

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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:51 pm linkquote
hjo wrote:
I can't recommend Speedo King enough.

On my p200, I replaced just the bezel, which you can get from Scooterwest, and polished out the lens.

It looked much nicer, and was water tight, but had that old speedo thing where it you had to tap it to get it to 0, and never went above about 45.

But I repainted the needle.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but HJO, is that the original left hand side switch?

Where can I get one with the horn button on the left??
Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:00 pm

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:00 pm linkquote
This one?

That's the original American one. There were different switches in other markets. But you can still get the American ones.

https://www.scooterwest.com/hi-lo-horn-handlebar-switch-w-cover-1977-82-vnx-vsx-182143.html

The other side with the kill switch is hard to find. They've been out of stock for years now.

https://www.scooterwest.com/hi-lo-horn-handlebar-switch-w-cover-1977-82-vnx-vsx-182143.html





Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:37 pm

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Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:37 pm linkquote
hjo wrote:
This one?

That's the original American one. There were different switches in other markets. But you can still get the American ones.

https://www.scooterwest.com/hi-lo-horn-handlebar-switch-w-cover-1977-82-vnx-vsx-182143.html

The other side with the kill switch is hard to find. They've been out of stock for years now.

https://www.scooterwest.com/hi-lo-horn-handlebar-switch-w-cover-1977-82-vnx-vsx-182143.html
Awesome! Thanks!
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:28 am

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P200E
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:28 am linkquote
Thanks everyone.. I will send it to SpeedoKing over the winter.. Maybe he can also cure it's turrets like symptoms too..
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:32 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:32 am linkquote
He's great.

On my Rally one, he replaced all the parts inside and sent the old ones back. He just kept the case and the lens.

It wasn't too expensive.



Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:39 pm

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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:39 pm linkquote
Anything grade B from SIP is most likely total trash.
Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:43 pm

Ossessionato
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:43 pm linkquote
shampoo wrote:
it's turrets like symptoms too..
This is most likely a bad cable. I have a PX speedometer that had the needle jumping all over. Just replacing the inner and outer cable completely fixed it.
Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:53 am

Moderibbit
1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Location: Atlanta, GA
 
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:53 am linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
This is most likely a bad cable. I have a PX speedometer that had the needle jumping all over. Just replacing the inner and outer cable completely fixed it.
Yup, same issue+fix when I first got my et3
Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:26 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Hooked
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:26 am linkquote
Steve at SpeedoKing has done 3 units for me. A P200 and a small round and a clamshell for V90s.
All work perfectly and are +- 2mph measured by iPhone GPS









Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:54 am

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Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:54 am linkquote
May I ask what he charged for the first repair ?

Thanks.
Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:47 am

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Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:47 am linkquote
Plus one for Steve at SpeedoKing. Good work, Good guy!
Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:50 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:50 am linkquote
Finally got around to asking Speedoking for an estimate.

He wants about the same as it would cost me to buy SIP's cheaper speedo..

I'd prefer to have it restored then buy a new one. I rather restore then replace when possible.. even if it does cost a little more than buying new.

But, can someone argue otherwise ? That is, are there any downsides with having my current speedo repaired as opposed to buying a new one from SIP ?

Thanks
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:15 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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bodgemaster
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:15 am linkquote
Zero downside. An original speedo refurbed by The King will be better than new. You won't be disappointed.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:30 am

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VNB vsc o9c VMA vbc VSX
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:30 am linkquote
Quote:
But, can someone argue otherwise ?
No. Full Stop.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:32 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:32 am linkquote
If it's the SIP electronic speedo, it's one thing. If it's the repro one, it's crap, better repair your original. Even the so called "Piaggio" original is a repro and it's also crap. With the electronic speedo you gain some extra functions (temp, rpm, etc.) but lose originality and the neutral indicator…
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:35 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:35 am linkquote
The electronic speedo will be more expensive than having my current reburb'd.

I was temped by it and get the fuel gauge.. setup the tacho etc.. But honestly, one of the reasons I like my P200E is it's just so bloody simple.

I have a Ninja 1000 2013 and I never ride it anymore. I put it up for sale. I never thought riding this Vespa would be so fun.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:42 am

Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
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Location: Veria, Greece
 
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Location: Veria, Greece
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:42 am linkquote
When I restored my P, I bought a new speedo from Piaggio, thinking it would be the same as my old one. It was a repro crap, that I gave to a friend and the mechanism broke after 500Kms. I decided to restore my original one (did it myself)…

There's no replacement for originality…


How it was…


After…


New from Piaggio, repro crap…

Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:05 am

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P200E
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:05 am linkquote
That's some very impressive work. Ok, once the snow starts to fly here, I'll send it out to him. Thanks for all the advice everyone.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:11 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:11 am linkquote
I'm late to the party but I've had Speedo King do a couple now, he is amazing. Highly recommend.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:10 am

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Location: San Francisco, CA
 
Molto Verboso
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:10 am linkquote
In mine, he replaced the mechanical components with new Veglia ones. So it's basically a new speedo.

Not sure about the face plates. I think he may have had those manufactured, but are very close to original.

The products SIP makes are very aftermarket. They are much different style from the Italian-designed ones.

The US ones had a neutral light and MPH face plate. With US market parts, those are never carried by the Euro shops.
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