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Search came up empty. What's the best choice for a 8" split rim. I know tubeless exist but not interested.
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I see the ones at ScooterMercarto are powder coated. That's a negative for me. I also see F.A. Italia offering a couple of choices.
I know their quality has problems, but can they make a wheel?
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Is it the VBB style or the later Super style?
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I see the ones at ScooterMercarto are powder coated. That's a negative for me. I also see F.A. Italia offering a couple of choices.
I know their quality has problems, but can they make a wheel?
Out of curiosity, why don't you like powder coating?
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It's non repairable. Have to remove it all to paint to match. It's cheap, and doesn't last ime. It's just a plastic coating. I don't like it at all.

No suggestions other than going used…
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It's non repairable. Have to remove it all to paint to match. It's cheap, and doesn't last ime. It's just a plastic coating. I don't like it at all.

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The powder coat will turn to dust with a mapp gas torch at around 350F+. Wipe off with a shop towel after cooling.

I've bought three from different domestic suppliers.
On one the bolts were too short for even a spit washer.
On another the bolts were so crooked the rims wouldn't come apart without a hammer.
The only usable out of the box rims were from Baritalia Classics.
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Highly recommend the (SIP branded) Heidenau inner tube if you want to ride with inner-tubes.
https://scooter-speed.com/inner-tube-3-50-8-sip/

Just had a freak incident. Got literally screwed!
This is only the third time I've had a flat in many years of scoot riding, FWIW.

Going maybe 30mph on a hot day. Rear tire imploded.
Like a hard seize, but pulling the clutch does nothing. At more MPH I'd have gone to asphalt.
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Highly recommend the (SIP branded) Heidenau inner tube if you want to ride with inner-tubes.
https://scooter-speed.com/inner-tube-3-50-8-sip/

Just had a freak incident. Got literally screwed!
This is only the third time I've had a flat in many years of scoot riding, FWIW.

Going maybe 30mph on a hot day. Rear tire imploded.
Like a hard seize, but pulling the clutch does nothing. At more MPH I'd have gone to asphalt.
That's when a tubeless is nice, goes flat slowly instead of a fast blowout.
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I plugged a staple hole in the GL's tubeless tires this evening. Definitely would have been a front wheel blowout if it had a tube.

Living in construction central, I ride in constant fear of a blowout on the VBB. I really need to bite the bullet and get some tubeless 8"s for it.
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Chandlerman, what about tubeless tire availability in the USA? Not ordering tires from overseas.
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Normally, I'd have said that my beloved Heidenau's are easy to get, but they seem to be out of stock everywhere I can think of in the USA, including SIP.

I found them at one site, but they want almost double the usual price. So annoying.
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Normally, I'd have said that my beloved Heidenau's are easy to get, but they seem to be out of stock everywhere I can think of in the USA, including SIP.

I found them at one site, but they want almost double the usual price. So annoying.
Did they start making scooter tires again? I know I'm going to have to find a new tire next year if they don't start up again.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/fr/blogs/classic-scene-blog-vespa-lambretta_2795/post/heidenau-production-of-scooter-tires-suspended_6964
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Did they start making scooter tires again? I know I'm going to have to find a new tire next year if they don't start up again.

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/blogs/classic-scene-blog-vespa-lambretta_2795/post/heidenau-production-of-scooter-tires-suspended_6964
Well, shit. Didn't know that.
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Interesting as I just ordered tires from Casa Lambretta which at the time of ordering stated out of stock. Ten days later they show as in stock. So hopefully that supply issue was taken care of months ago.
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Interesting as I just ordered tires from Casa Lambretta which at the time of ordering stated out of stock. Ten days later they show as in stock. So hopefully that supply issue was taken care of months ago.
SIP has 110/70-11 in stock as well, local source I would normally use does not. They moved away from brand when they could no longer get them.
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That's when a tubeless is nice, goes flat slowly instead of a fast blowout.
Got lazy and didn't trade out the older latex tube for the SIP thick-ass butyl tube I already had on the shelf. Stupid.

Feeling pretty good with a new tube that doesn't feel like it'll pop like a balloon. Michelin's "Airstop" butyls look similarly beefy, though I don't have one here to compare.

https://www.scooterwest.com/michelin-3-50x8-4-00x8-inner-tube-3508tbm.html
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Got lazy and didn't trade out the older latex tube for the SIP thick-ass butyl tube I already had on the shelf. Stupid.

Feeling pretty good with a new tube that doesn't feel like it'll pop like a balloon. Michelin's "Airstop" butyls look similarly beefy, though I don't have one here to compare.

https://www.scooterwest.com/michelin-3-50x8-4-00x8-inner-tube-3508tbm.html
Does the SIP thick-ass butyl tube not rip like a normal tube when punctured? If so I'll need to get some for my 8" All state tires.
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The SIP tubes are thicker than the Airstops which are thicker than the Indian Continental tubes I've been rolling on. They're like a suggestion of a tube.
Plus my S83s are 21 years old.
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Chandlerman, what about tubeless tire availability in the USA? Not ordering tires from overseas.
Pretty sure all the tires these days are tubeless.
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Pretty sure all the tires these days are tubeless.
If there are tube-only tires these days, I don't think I've ever seen one.
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But that's incorrect. Look at this and you'll see TT and TL Tube type or tubeless, not both
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But that's incorrect. Look at this and you'll see TT and TL Tube type or tubeless, not both
I've still never seen one, so not incorrect, just under-underinformed

But, yes, I see that.

Interestingly, doing a little reading on the topic, while you can run tubes in a tubeless tire (and also run tubed tubeless with a few caveats), if you're going to run tubes, the air-tight liner of the tubeless tire adds weight to the tire vs. TT, so if you run tubes, it'll increase the amount of heat generated in the tires, and at speeds higher than any of us will ever hit, decrease the speed rating of the tires, too.

TL;DR: You should buy TT tires if you're going to run tubes, TL if you're not.
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I've still never seen one, so not incorrect, just under-underinformed

But, yes, I see that.

Interestingly, doing a little reading on the topic, while you can run tubes in a tubeless tire (and also run tubed tubeless with a few caveats), if you're going to run tubes, the air-tight liner of the tubeless tire adds weight to the tire vs. TT, so if you run tubes, it'll increase the amount of heat generated in the tires, and at speeds higher than any of us will ever hit, decrease the speed rating of the tires, too.

TL;DR: You should buy TT tires if you're going to run tubes, TL if you're not.
A K61 tubeless has a speed rating of M which is 81 mph I've crept into low 70's on accident. That's one reason I replaced Zippy tires, they have a speed rating of J which is 62 mph. A K61 in 3.50-10" is also j rated, reason I went to an 11" tire.
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FWIW, I don't think Continental makes Zippys any longer.

They aren't on Continental's website.

You can still find them. But I bought a set recently, and the manufacture date was 2017.
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FWIW, I don't think Continental makes Zippys any longer.

They aren't on Continental's website.

You can still find them. But I bought a set recently, and the manufacture date was 2017.
Ouch, that's worse than June 2019 K61 tires I just installed. Better ride it alot to wear them to get new tires.
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Ouch, that's worse than June 2019 K61 tires I just installed. Better ride it alot to wear them to get new tires.
It sucks, bc they're not considered safe after 10 years. So they're halfway through their useful lives, but were full price.
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The speed rating is at the max load rating, so if your load is lower the max speed is higher.

I have zero worries pushing J rated tires up to a real 80mph.
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A scooter tyre indicated 3.50 - 10 59J reinforced has a load capacity of 243 kg (353,2 lbs) at a maximum design speed of 100 km/h (approx. 62 mph) and an infla- tion pressure of 3.25 bar (47 psi)(see page 149-162).
At a maximum speed of 140 km/h (approx. 87 mph) and a max. air pressure the load capacity decreases to 170 kg (247,1 lbs) / LI 46 (70%), whereas at a maximum speed of 50 km/h (approx.) the load capac- ity increases to 315 kg (457,9 lbs)/ LI 68 (130%).
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Does the SIP thick-ass butyl tube not rip like a normal tube when punctured? If so I'll need to get some for my 8" All state tires.
Just holding them together, I'm guessing the difference would be on par with the way a 2mil thick latex glove will puncture/tear vs an 8mil nitrile. So hell yeah.
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The speed rating is at the max load rating, so if your load is lower the max speed is higher.

I have zero worries pushing J rated tires up to a real 80mph.
They also have to run those speed ratings through their legal team.
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Those Pinasco rims look interesting, but$$.

Really I need one OE rim without being all rusty like the one I wish to replace.
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The problem with the 10" Pinasco split rims is that they're 2mm wider at the stud than a stock rim (8mm vs 6mm), which doesn't seem like a lot, but it is when you're dealing with just enough thread to put a nut on.
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The problem with the 10" Pinasco split rims is that they're 2mm wider at the stud than a stock rim (8mm vs 6mm), which doesn't seem like a lot, but it is when you're dealing with just enough thread to put a nut on.
I have a set sitting on the shelf for years for exactly that reason.
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The problem with the 10" Pinasco split rims is that they're 2mm wider at the stud than a stock rim (8mm vs 6mm), which doesn't seem like a lot, but it is when you're dealing with just enough thread to put a nut on.
I'm still wondering why on earth Vespa designed the wheel studs to barely be long enough. Why not have an extra 2-4mm's?

I guess so threads that are exposed don't get dinged up? Still seems dumb to me even if that is the reason.
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I'm still wondering why on earth Vespa designed the wheel studs to barely be long enough. Why not have an extra 2-4mm's?

I guess so threads that are exposed don't get dinged up? Still seems dumb to me even if that is the reason.
Protect them from dings and also rust. What I really don't get is why Pinasco didn't just shave the 2mm off their rim's thickness at the mounting holes. SIP has done it with their tubeless rims.

Maybe it's because SIP use a better (harder) grade of aluminum. I know that I ruined a Pinasco rim that ovaled all the mounting holes in maybe half a mile of riding when the nuts worked their way loose one time.
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