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Find a good engine, stick it in that thing and ride
I REALLY like your idea! I do have a spare PX150 on my shelf all ready to go at a moment's notice.
I need to learn how to download videos on u tube. I could set up a video camera in my shop and film an engine swap and a brief ride. Maybe video the engine swap portion at x2 normal speed, then the test ride at standard speed? As long as the shifter tube isn't seized up or any of the control cables haven't been crimped, then it could be a fun quick Saturday morning project. I'd probably have to un-accordion the back of the frame in order to get a tire to fit. Maybe us a 3x10 instead of a 3.5x10?
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Now I wanna come down and help! I already had figured out how, I was just too chicken to say... Facepalm emoticon

Could be your new favorite bike! I think you should use the supplied seat.
First loop an old tow strap here and hook to the back of your truck
First loop an old tow strap here and hook to the back of your truck
Use a big forged clamp and a chain to hook this end to a tree

Put truck in lowest gear and gently pull into factory spec

Now just cut off that mess at the end along dotted line, BEHIND shock mount please!
Use a big forged clamp and a chain to hook this end to a tree Put truck in lowest gear and gently pull into factory spec Now just cut off that mess at the end along dotted line, BEHIND shock mount please!
Now take out some insurance, weld a pipe brace in here for added strength 
(should be longer than this one after you pull).
Now take out some insurance, weld a pipe brace in here for added strength (should be longer than this one after you pull).
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The frame is smooshed enough that fuel tank is wedged in tight. But i could go above and beyond with a few frame pulls with my old old pick'em up truck. It would be kinda fun to leave the frame exactly how it is and swing in a running engine.
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It would be kinda fun to leave the frame exactly how it is and swing in a running engine.
Why not? Just remove the glovebox to make room for your knees and you could even lengthen the fork to show off your new bobbed chopper look!

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I agree on the pull-thingy. It's mighty hard to ride with a handlebar between your legs Laughing emoticon
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I hope that's one guy with two bikes, because the idea that there are two people who think that looks good is more than I want to contemplate on a Virtual Monday. Razz emoticon
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I hope that's one guy with two bikes, because the idea that there are two people who think that looks good is more than I want to contemplate on a Virtual Monday. Razz emoticon
Well, I'll say this...if everyone had a bog standard P series, then the world would be a boring place. Chopper scooters aren't really my jam, but neither were most of the the other Vespa models 15-20 years ago. That's right, I pretty much just liked only the P series and the series 3 Lambretta GP, TV, SX. I wasn't really a fan of the Li, Vespa Handlebar scooters, Widebody, GS, Rally, ect. I used my P200 to commute a 50 mile round trip a day for work, and whenever I saw the older Vespas, I thought of extra difficult maintenance. Now that I'm older, I appreciate all of them!
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I know we all have our tastes, and ironically, after riding and commuting on my Stella for many years, I've come to much prefer the pre-P bikes, even if they start life much less mechanically capable.

I don't know why, but chopper scooters like that are like nails on a chalkboard to me. And usually, I appreciate pretty much anything with solid craftsmanship, even stuff like low riders, which I would never want to build or own, although I'd happily take someone else's for a cruise once just to say I did.
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Welp...I just dragged home another two scooters. One is a VB1 and the other is a NSU Prima something.

The story is that some people just bought a piece of property and they were clearing out the blackberries and deep grass from the yard. Their tractor and tow chain pulled out an old water heater, riding lawn mower, and two vintage scooters! They both got REALLY beat up during the removal.

My buddy and I picked them up this morning. Not much to say about either of them. There was a couple active hornets nests on the scooters so I had to be careful where I put my hands.

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the blue one might have some life left in it. the nsu is parts but still a cool find.

much better than rotting in a field!
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The NSU is really cool, even if it looks like what would happen if a Heinkel and a Lambretta got drunk and made bad decisions together.
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get me some turbo juice, fill the mig bottle and bring me some fresh sawzall blades. that thing is begging for a modern engine of some type. like a little shifty 80~125 dirt bike 2T or a GY6 or something...

pound to fit, paint to match. ride it ugly.
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get me some turbo juice, fill the mig bottle and bring me some fresh sawzall blades. that thing is begging for a modern engine of some type. like a little shifty 80~125 dirt bike 2T or a GY6 or something...

pound to fit, paint to match. ride it ugly.
I'd be down with that plan too!
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That vb1 is nice! get to work!
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I just got home about 30 minutes ago. I got the scooters unloaded from the truck and into the barn. The NSU really took a beating from the front end loader on the tractor. Kinda sad, but I'm guessing that both scooters had zero body damage until last week.

The people who bought the property that the scooter were on, originally took them to the scrap yard (along with other metal found on the property). They got the scooters unloaded out of their trailer at the yard, but then had second thoughts about scrapping them out. So a tractor at the scrap yard picked them back up with some sort of mighty pincer claw. And that's what crumpled them. And then long story short, they're now in my barn.
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I fully respect you for that. It's like rescuing strays from the pound just before they are put down.
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VB1 looks beautiful and will be just fine. Sad to hear it needlessly got beat up tho.

Argee with Greasy about the NSU. Just fix it enough to get it running straight, fit a stupid engine and ride it to confuse others
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Cool scores!! I love me the VB1 - inspires me to get goin on mine The NSU would be cool with some weird engine... throw some stupid dirt bike engine in there!
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throw some stupid dirt bike engine in there!
I vote banshee. go big or go home.

KX125 with or w/o a big bore would be pretty chill.

CRF250, same as KX125 but 4T and $$, so get gonzo and go CRF450, but that's $$$

since you're an orange and white guy... how about a 300 EXC? I'm sure you know a guy...
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I vote banshee. go big or go home.

KX125 with or w/o a big bore would be pretty chill.

CRF250, same as KX125 but 4T and $$, so get gonzo and go CRF450, but that's $$$

since you're an orange and white guy... how about a 300 EXC? I'm sure you know a guy...
BANSHEE! That would be proper stupid
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Before I even think of doing any sort of engine swaps, I decided to spend some time today disassembling the NSU. I did a little bit of panel beating as well. But the first think I had to do was pry the bench seat latch open.


After I got the legshield off, it was clear that the rear frame struts are a little bit bent. At least I assume they're not supposed to be that bent. I couldn't find any pictures online on what they're supposed to look like.
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Oh wow. The NSU looks much more salvageable than it did.

It also looks a lot like a Lambretta, the way it's built.
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Holy Waspnests Batman!
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I saw that picture and recoiled a little. I HATE wasps.
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Oh wow. The NSU looks much more salvageable than it did.

It also looks a lot like a Lambretta, the way it's built.
I figured I could get most of the dents out with a good curb stomping. Luckily there really isn't any rust so it makes it easy to work the metal.

I guess since NSU at one point had a license to build Lambrettas they decided to stick with the same principle design.
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I saw that picture and recoiled a little. I HATE wasps.
Yes, those little creatures are on the unlikable side of unlikable. There were a bunch of live ones still in the scooter when we went to load it up, so that was a bit unnerving.
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I ended up straightening up the frame's floor struts. It was actually pretty easy to bend them back to an acceptable angle. They were bend back and up, but a few reps of muscling it around did the trick. I happened to use a random kingpin that was a spare for a 1977 F250 2wd pick'em up truck. I simply slipped it inside the strut then slipped a length of 1-1/4" sch40 pipe over that kingpin.
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You plan on replacing the motor, right...? What's on your mind, you got a spare P200 motor you could shove in there somehow?

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Here's what the scooter looks like with the big dents removed. Now that I'm this far, I'm contemplating on an engine that will give me performance that's about the same as a stock P200. Unfortunately a P200 engine is just WAY too wide to fit under the NSU's side panels. I was talking with a friend last weekend about possible engine swaps, and he was thinking that a LX150 engine might fit. I was more interested in swapping in a GT200 engine, but my friend was pretty confident that it would be too wide. In my perfect world, I would swap in a manual transmission 2T engine. Some might say, why not just fix the NSU engine?...well because I want the scooter to have a 65~70mph top speed. Whatever engine is used, it needs to be fairly narrow.
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The engine is a trip.

The piston is at a 90 degree angle, and the flywheel faces forward, and looks like the pivot mounts are on top of the case.

Maybe an electric motorcycle engine?

Seems like finding one that matches the mounts might be a challenge.
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1. The clampets called, and they would like their truck back.
2. Was that a Fast Time's ref?
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The engine is a trip.

The piston is at a 90 degree angle, and the flywheel faces forward, and looks like the pivot mounts are on top of the case.

Maybe an electric motorcycle engine?

Seems like finding one that matches the mounts might be a challenge.
Yes, the engine layout is quite unique to say the least. The particular model that i have (Prima 3) is an electric start only (no kick lever), and i'd prefer to have that the closest thing to and electric engine in my scooter. But you aren't the only one who has mentioned the idea of installing an electric motor though. Maybe if someday an electric motor will have a range of 200-400 miles at 65mph would i be interested.

Finding and engine to fit the existing mounts won't be my problem (i got a welder), it's finding an engine that will physically fit under the narrow side panels. If i didn't run a side panel, then i could easily (relatively speaking) stuff a P2 engine in there.
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2. Was that a Fast Time's ref?
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2. Yes, on the Fast Time's.
1. That old ford is hands down the best work truck i've ever had (or will have). I bought it from a friend of a friend in the late 90's for $200. Of course since then i've sunk...errr invested a small chunk of change into it. I added power brakes, power steering, 1 ton axles front and rear, front and rear lockers, different transfer case, a secondary auxiliary gear splitter/overdrive transmission (for a total of 8 forward and 2 reverse speeds), hydraulic dump bed, welded in new floor boards, new wire harness, ect. I ended up selling the whole drivetrain last summer (Mercury FE 410 engine, both transmissions, and transfer case) for way more money than i thought it would bring. I then hit it hard for the last half of the summer swapping in a 1995 12 valve Cummins engine, 5 speed transmission, transfer case, and Hydroboost brakes into the Ford. The project was about 90% + done until i broke my foot back in April. I just need to finish up installing and plumbing the intercooler, radiator, AC condenser, buy an exhaust brake, and fab up the exhaust system. The engine, whole drivetrain, brakes, throttle cable and pedal are 100% set and done. Now that the price of diesel skyrocketed, there really isn't the urgency to finish the project anytime soon. Plus i'm waiting for my foot to still heal up. In the meantime, i'd like to finish up and sell a couple of easier projects (Wrangler YJ with coilover suspension, a Datsun 240Z, and two dirtbikes).
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I just love the idea of putting a 100 hp sport bike engine in a scooter.

They're so compact, space isn't an issue. Just configuring.

How about a 200cc Lambretta engine? The mounts are similar. But the shock is on the wrong side.
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I just love the idea of putting a 100 hp sport bike engine in a scooter.

They're so compact, space isn't an issue. Just configuring.

How about a 200cc Lambretta engine? The mounts are similar.
It did cross my mind a few times to install a 200cc Lammy. I own two different S3 Lammys, and love them both dearly, but in all honesty, those engines just aren't the same as an old Vespa. There's like a billion parts in a Lammy case (of course i'm way over exaggerating). I've rebuilt 3 different Lammy engines, and it does get more simple after the 1st time you do it. But there are sooooo many super cool aftermarket parts available for a Lammy, that it's difficult not to spend money on them! Dropping a cool $5k on a Lammy engine parts is very easy to do. I'd rather spend $1k on a complete stock P200 engine. But i suppose if a decent deal arose for a complete 200cc lambretta engine...
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Same color.This just popped up.

https://scootnet2.net/index.php?do=showone&id=841
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GY6 possibly, but that is a 4 stroke, inexpensive and a lot of performance parts around.

QMB 139, 157, 152 motors possibly smaller versions are 2 stroke.
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Thanks for looking out John. I saw the ad last night. The only bummer is I bought the NSU for $20. So absolutely anything I end up buying for it (new or used) will cost at least double my initial purchase price!
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Christopher_55934 wrote:
GY6 possibly, but that is a 4 stroke, inexpensive and a lot of performance parts around.

QMB 139, 157, 152 motors possibly smaller versions are 2 stroke.
I saw a complete 2012 Vespa LX 150 IE engine for sale on my local Craigslist this morning, but since it's fuel injection I don't see it as a viable option. And I can only assume that the ECU's immobilizer might prove to be difficult to hack, bypass, or remove.
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