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Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:27 pm linkquote
Hey guys, I did a euro turn signal conversion kit on my own Vespa... kinda.

I just ran some wire from the turn signal connectors (by the headlight), down the steering column, to the back of the running light. Then I swapped my running lights with my turn signals.

Obviously this will only work as a turn signal, no running light, but hey, it didn't cost me anything and I needed to do it (new headlight cover I got didn't have the holes).

So for now at least, I have working signals, though I've lost my running lights

Does anyone have any ideas from here or is my project done?

I was thinking I could get one two of these pieces, maybe modify them a bit to fit.



Then get some Switchback LEDs (Switchback LEDs replace your parking or daytime running front lights. When you turn them on, they are white, but once you activate a turn signal, they'll change to an amber color. As soon as your turn signal switches off, they return to their original white color.)

The trick is to somehow make the mount play ball with this...


All suggestions and tips welcome!

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:34 am linkquote
I have switchback LED's mounted on the front of my 150 and they work great. They mount where the pods used to be. They are a "shimmering" white all the time unless that indicator is on, and then they switch to yellow.
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:15 am linkquote
Thanks billrush. Do they just have the turn signal wiring going to them, or do you have anything special going on?

Any link to the bulb by any chance?
Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:52 am

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:52 am linkquote
My front extra lights are made by Skene.
https://www.skenelights.com/online-store
Mine are called photon blasters. I waited a long time to order these because they are so expensive. The wiring diagrams are on their site and I think specific to their units.

But these are bright and I believe make my bike more visible from the front. They are DRL's until I turn on the indicator light. Then they turn yellow and blink. Very nice IMO

But others make switchback lights.

Is your goal now to add back running lights for the front. I have a suggestion if so.


Front running lights which replace the pods


Closeup of skene photon blaster. Mounts where pod light was



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Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:56 am linkquote
They make bau16/bsu16s switchback LEDs that fit the Vespa socket. Google it. Maybe start there?

What puzzles me is how you supply flasher and separate power on a two pin connector .


I just put on a set of front and back smoke lens lights from China. They required a bit of modification to run fronts and backs, but I have it all up and running. I had to remove the original 33ohm resistors and put in some 6ohm. Total price front and backs plus 6ohm resistors and SAE connectors was $142. These plug into the original harness. For running light power, I tapped the add a circuit line that I put in for the kneepad electronics. The resistor plate is mounted to one of the empty relay slots behind the horn cover. The resistors COULD get hot if one left the blinker on for an extended period of time. You could hold it in my hand fir about a minute of blinking before it got too hot to hold. The resistors plug into the LED harness via an SAE connector so that any part of the assembly can be removed at any time without cutting anything.





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Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:56 am linkquote
You guys have some really sweet looking setups!

Billrush's post this morning inspired me to look into this with fresh eyes instead of last night's after midnight Adrian eyes... I may have found something...

For now I've ordered up one, it should arrive in a few days... I'll take advantage of things being taken apart to bleed brakes... Will let you guys know when it gets in.

Any suggestions/thoughts/links welcome!


It looks like the shape of the LED would hold it place. I ordered one up, it was $38 CAD or about $30 USD. I was hoping to make this mod < $20. Still, this price isn't bad. No idea if it will work though.

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:09 am linkquote
adri wrote:
You guys have some really sweet looking setups!

Billrush's post this morning inspired me to look into this with fresh eyes instead of last night's after midnight Adrian eyes... I may have found something...

For now I've ordered up one, it should arrive in a few days... I'll take advantage of things being taken apart to bleed brakes... Will let you guys know when it gets in.

Any suggestions/thoughts/links welcome!
Ah, yeah! I just ordered a kit from ebay for $17 shipped. I'm going to put on the white vespa in the background of my pic... I'll let you know in month how it went...
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:29 am linkquote
adri wrote:
You guys have some really sweet looking setups!

Billrush's post this morning inspired me to look into this with fresh eyes instead of last night's after midnight Adrian eyes... I may have found something...

For now I've ordered up one, it should arrive in a few days... I'll take advantage of things being taken apart to bleed brakes... Will let you guys know when it gets in.

Any suggestions/thoughts/links welcome!
Hi Adri,

Sorry but what Vespa S? What year and what engine please? Where will the LED bulb you've ordered be placed? Cheers
Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:10 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:10 pm linkquote
They would be going in the euro turn signal / north american running light.

I'll send you a DM with more details
Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:48 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:48 pm linkquote
please enlighten me....why does tha US require blinkers other than the originals???
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:53 pm linkquote
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please enlighten me....why does tha US require blinkers other than the originals???
Who said anyone requires anything?
Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:11 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:11 pm linkquote
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please enlighten me....why does tha US require blinkers other than the originals???
Vespas imported into the US are required to have a minimum distance between blinkers (aka turn signals, indicators ). The blinkers in the body of Vespas are not far enough apart to meet US specs. So Vespa adds two front and two rear blinker pods extending from each side of the body. It's cumbersome but meets the specs. The standard, in the body, rear blinkers of my Vespa Sprint 150 came disconnected. Many folks in the US take pleasure in removing the US pods and connecting the European blinkers.
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:34 pm linkquote
adri wrote:
They would be going in the euro turn signal / north american running light.

I'll send you a DM with more details
Adri,

After all these lighting discussions I started to wonder which scooter you had but couldn't google it without additional model detail. I just don't have as much experience as others on the Vespa model range. When I look yours up, I see a nice looking scoot with square headlight. Out of the many photos I saw, only a few had North American indicator pods and only in the front. I saw no pictures of any with rear pods. So which pods did your have? Both my Sprint nd primavera had 4 pods. Now they have none!

You refer to a "North American running light". What and where is that?
Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:39 pm

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Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:39 pm linkquote
Billrush wrote:
Vespas imported into the US are required to have a minimum distance between blinkers (aka turn signals, indicators ). The blinkers in the body of Vespas are not far enough apart to meet US specs. So Vespa adds two front and two rear blinker pods extending from each side of the body. It's cumbersome but meets the specs. The standard, in the body, rear blinkers of my Vespa Sprint 150 came disconnected. Many folks in the US take pleasure in removing the US pods and connecting the European blinkers.
Everything you said is bang on. Just for added context, for those interested, it also applies to Canada.

We use a lot of the same (american) standards (EPA for example) here in Canada, as it helps to keep everything simplified between the two countries. There is a lot of automotive production shared between the two countries, and import and distribution as well, so it helps keep everything simple at a federal and international level.

Used to work for the Canadian arm of big companies like Goodyear/Dunlop, Harley-Davidson, KYMCO, etc.
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:42 pm linkquote
Billrush wrote:
Adri,

After all these lighting discussions I started to wonder which scooter you had but couldn't google it without additional model detail. I just don't have as much experience as others on the Vespa model range. When I look yours up, I see a nice looking scoot with square headlight. Out of the many photos I saw, only a few had North American indicator pods and only in the front. I saw no pictures of any with rear pods. So which pods did your have? Both my Sprint nd primavera had 4 pods. Now they have none!

You refer to a "North American running light". What and where is that?
I have no idea if this is what they're really called, but this is what I call them.



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Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:16 am linkquote
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I have no idea if this is what they're really called, but this is what I call them.
Dear Adri,
The drawing really helps.

In your first post of this thread, you say you ran wires down to the running light. You don't say you removed the right and left signals(you label just the left signal).
1. Did you remove the signals? (AKA PODS)

2. Did your scooter have rear signal pods?

My primavera 50 came with working running lights (4 led bulbs) but the light fixture also had an empty hole where you can snap in another bulb holder. That bulb is for the blinker light. I believe European versions of my 50 ship without signal pods (these are just for U.S.specs) and the running light (aka DRL FOR DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHT) had the blinker bulb wired in.

My 50 had right and left rear signal pods too.

3. Where is your rear running light located originally.

Sorry for the laborious explanation but we have many labels and the U.S. version and rest of world version. It gets confusing! (To me anyway)
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Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:14 am linkquote
And to add... a GTS does not have the pods, and the turn signals are far enough apart. But, they only act as turn signals when they could also be running lights. There is no legal issue,:just want more light, smoked lens.
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Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:15 am linkquote
rdhood wrote:
And to add... a GTS does not have the pods, and the turn signals are far enough apart. But, they only act as turn signals when they could also be running lights. There is no legal issue,:just want more light, smoked lens.
Just trade yours in for a 2022 GTS. Front right and left lights are both DRL and indicator lights.
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Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:02 pm linkquote
rdhood wrote:
And to add... a GTS does not have the pods, and the turn signals are far enough apart. But, they only act as turn signals when they could also be running lights. There is no legal issue,:just want more light, smoked lens.
No promises, but if my mod works, I may have a solution for you that doesn't involve trading in your bike...

If it doesn't work, I'm with billrush, just get a new one!

Little update... I was originally supposed to get my parts in tomorrow evening... it has been delayed until Wednesday...

Stay tuned...
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Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:48 pm linkquote
Hey Adri,

Can we have the link or searchable name to that light you ordered?
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Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:42 pm linkquote
Parts arrived tonight, it's 2:30 am, just got in from the garage, time for a little update...

Bad news first. The parts I got were functionally good, but the application wasn't relevant to our Vespe so I needed to cut one part of the factory harness. Bummer. I really didn't want to do that but oh well.

Good news now... It works! I have no more pods, and what were my DRL (day light running lights) are now both DRLs UNTIL I hit the turn signal. THEN one stays a white running light while the other flashes amber.

When I started doing this I wanted to create a shopping list like I do for most of my how-to content ("here's what you need, here's how to use it"), or if I could find the connectors Piaggio uses I thought I could even premake little wiring harnesses for people that would work out to a lot less than what scooter west charges. Unfortunately this turned out not to be plug play after all.

I was really excited when I came in. Now I'm just exhausted. I'll give more detail in the next couple days and some basic instructions, and then I'll do a detailed how to with a detailed article and a video after that.

First, sleep.
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:42 am linkquote
adri wrote:
Parts arrived tonight, it's 2:30 am, just got in from the garage, time for a little update...

Bad news first. The parts I got were functionally good, but the application wasn't relevant to our Vespe so I needed to cut one part of the factory harness. Bummer. I really didn't want to do that but oh well.

Good news now... It works! I have no more pods, and what were my DRL (day light running lights) are now both DRLs UNTIL I hit the turn signal. THEN one stays a white running light while the other flashes amber.

First, sleep.
I like the good news. That's great Adri! Thanks for the initial update. Can't wait to see more.
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