Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:20 pm

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Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:20 pm linkquote
Yes I understand that some parts last longer than others, but there is of course a difference in gross damage or superficial damage. Buying the oil pump is not the biggest problem, it is mounting it. Everything comes with extra costs such as a tractor to remove the plate from the vario to get to the oil pump. I don't know yet if there is damage to the crankshaft position itself because the pin in it is broken. I will first look at all the damage and determine what I definitely need .Money unfortunately does not grow on my back haha.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:13 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:13 am linkquote
Well today I finally managed to get the piston pin loose. Luckily I don't see any damage to the crankshaft. I don't trust the piston anymore because it has 2 impact points in the corners, probably because the piston has risen further and bumped into something.

Piaggio has crazy prices. A piston costs 198 euros and a complete set is 258 euros. Always thought that the cylinder is more expensive than the piston. So I buy a complete set because then I get rid of the bad feeling.

For now thanks everyone for the help and advice. I'll be back when I'm ready, and will Then make an overview for someone who may also have this problem.









Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:23 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:23 am linkquote
Have you checked to see if Malossi sells a piston kit?
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:29 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:29 am linkquote
Yes, it is also available for the HPE. But I don't know if the original cylinder head will fit, I certainly don't want to buy it. And I have read that it does not provide extra power, but it does last longer, and possibly also less oil consumption. But the amounts differ between 340 and 550 euros, so I'll stick to the original.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:27 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:27 pm linkquote
I think if you install new rings and a new jug, and perform 5K oil services (with the proper recommended oil) then it should cut down on the oil burn. Keep in mind that the oil rings need to be installed 120 apart, kinda of like the Mercedes star if that makes sense

These newer bikes can only pass emissions by not burning oil.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:45 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:45 pm linkquote
So I don't know whether the oil consumption will be less after a new cylinder and piston. It should of course, but because the engine already consumes oil from new. Robot from youtube the vespa specialist has also said more often that they consume too much oil My previous mp3 really didn't consume any oil and after 5000km it was still up to standard.Yes thanks for your advice,I've experienced that mistake once with a 50cc haha.The piston and cylinder weren't happy with it.I also first put the piston in the cylinder to the last ring and then I put it on the crankshaft, then I have not messed with those rings. I will order it all next week and then assemble it.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:01 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:01 am linkquote
Melvin wrote:
So I don't know whether the oil consumption will be less after a new cylinder and piston. It should of course, but because the engine already consumes oil from new. Robot from youtube the vespa specialist has also said more often that they consume too much oil My previous mp3 really didn't consume any oil and after 5000km it was still up to standard.Yes thanks for your advice,I've experienced that mistake once with a 50cc haha.The piston and cylinder weren't happy with it.I also first put the piston in the cylinder to the last ring and then I put it on the crankshaft, then I have not messed with those rings. I will order it all next week and then assemble it.
might not be any consolation, but my 2020 500 hpe sport went in for the brake recall at 4800 kms and I asked them to change the oil at the same time, asked the tech how was the oil, he said it had not moved, but he says change every 5000 kms even though the manual of small words says different, think Sbaert is right on the oil being ever so important
Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:26 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:26 am linkquote
Oil consumption on a new motorcycle? Broken piston pin? Where is this world going? I have been repairing cars and motorcycles for 30 years. I have to tell you that oil has nothing to do with it. Recently, all the components of cars and motorcycles are made of shit and sticks. Here is the reason.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:59 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:59 pm linkquote
Could you tell me if yours brakes differently or does something weird when braking? Mine didn't have to go back because it wasn't in the list. I occasionally had mine brakes more on 1 side than on the other side.

It's true that the 500 had no problem with the oil but only the 300. I don't know what piaggio has done with these engines but I don't think it is good. I think hpe stands for high problem engine.

I would like to admit that you are right, but unfortunately I don't know enough about that. Think that my problem also had to do with the oil. I do know that I always topped up on time, never drove into the red, drive the engine always warms up first. So I think I am now the victim of a production error.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 pm linkquote
No need to blame yourself.

However, I've learned through decades of experience working on vehicles that the Italian ones are almost as delicate as children. They require constant attention.

They want the best of everything and when they don't get what they want they put up a tantrum. I'll let you interpret that one.

As for the brake pulling to one side, try bleeding the system first. Be aware, they are linked brakes, and it takes at least 1/2Liter to flush it, sometimes even a little more. Also be warned that if any air enter the ABS unit it will lock up the ABS which can only fixed by a dealer with the PADS diagnostic equipment.

I flush the brakes, tilt lock, and coolant every year without exception. And I push fluid through the system. I never pull the system from a bleeder valve, such as the common MityVac hand pump. Having a helper is pretty much a must.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:39 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:39 pm linkquote
I think that interpretation is correct, only piaggio has not made the perfect mp3 in the past and to date. When I look at a few forums I only see problems with the mp3. From broken tilt lock to the transmission whose gears no longer had teeth. Of course some people will do little or no maintenance and then cry when it is broken. But in many cases I think it is problems from production.

My front brake is now good again because I had placed new blocks and greased the cylinder with copper grease (it was completely dry). But I was worried because the braking sometimes felt like it was doing it itself. When you use your front brake you hear a kind of rattle tick and I sometimes heard that without braking.

The new mp3 i saw does look sexy but 15,000 euros is not worth it to me. I think there will be problems with that too.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:21 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:21 pm linkquote
Don't think these problems are limited to Piaggio.

Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari, they all have problems.

I call it spaghetti engineering, although Lamborghini has come a LONG way since being in the hands of Audi/VW. It seems like the engineering is now German or at least requires approval from Germany, and they only leave the design and styling to Italy which is perfect. You buy Italian shoes for looks, not for comfort or durability.

And yes, I expect the new MP3 530 to be much more of a electronic problem child than prior generations but mechanically it is still pretty much the same stuff from almost 20 years ago.

I find it sad they still haven't given the new MP3 a decent rear suspension with monoshock, especially at these stuuuupid prices. The Honda Forza750 is a bargain in comparison, and blows it away in the performance, reliability, and cost of ownership departments.

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:24 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:24 pm linkquote
Melvin wrote:
I think that interpretation is correct, only piaggio has not made the perfect mp3 in the past and to date. When I look at a few forums I only see problems with the mp3. From broken tilt lock to the transmission whose gears no longer had teeth. Of course some people will do little or no maintenance and then cry when it is broken. But in many cases I think it is problems from production.

My front brake is now good again because I had placed new blocks and greased the cylinder with copper grease (it was completely dry). But I was worried because the braking sometimes felt like it was doing it itself. When you use your front brake you hear a kind of rattle tick and I sometimes heard that without braking.

The new mp3 i saw does look sexy but 15,000 euros is not worth it to me. I think there will be problems with that too.
glad you got it all sorted, my brakes where just spongy and had to have a good pull all the way back to stop, once totally flushed by recall, hardly touch the brake lever to stop obviously need more pressure the more the speed goes up or 2 up, but light hearted around the city is 1 fingered braking both sides, document below well worth reading, gives the whole procedure.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RCRIT-22V217-5898.pdf
Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:17 am

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Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:17 am linkquote
Yes that is true, but for such an expensive car you at least expect those problems to be solved. Piaggio has been around for so long that they have mastered most problems, you would say. Probably also cheaper parts and faster production, because it has to keep rolling off the belt.The scooter shop near me has the new mp3 next month, I want to test it how it rides. Many new options that could actually be present on the previous mp3.

Yes, luckily I no longer had that problem with the brakes. But I also didn't know what was wrong with the ones that were recalled. But I have read your pdf and men what a job they have performed. So it was purely due to the brake not responding well because he received too much air or too little oil. Fortunately, yours also brakes safely, that's the most important thing on a motorcycle.
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Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:08 am linkquote
Melvin wrote:
Yes that is true, but for such an expensive car you at least expect those problems to be solved. Piaggio has been around for so long that they have mastered most problems, you would say. Probably also cheaper parts and faster production, because it has to keep rolling off the belt.The scooter shop near me has the new mp3 next month, I want to test it how it rides. Many new options that could actually be present on the previous mp3.

...
I think of Piaggio's product line in the same way as Apple's product line. You either go for it based strictly on the name, or the looks. But if you peak underneath it appears very quickly that it was pretty much just cobbled together with the cheapest parts without any real regard to worry free long term ownership (5+ years).

And in the same way you have people who refuse to use anything other than Apple products, you have people who refuse anything other than a MP3. These are the people who don't know or care that there are options and that those options are better for the most part.

I posted a link a couple of days ago of 2 prominent French motorcycles mags comparing the new MP3 against the new Kymco CV3. Both voted for the Kymco as their pick. Why is this signficant? France is the #1 market for the Piaggio MP3. I think Piaggio should be worried, and immediately start working on a true maxi scoot specifically one with more than 1 piston and better suspension vs. electronic fluff/junk like a rear backup camera instead of another case of the same old design that is nearing 20 years now.
Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:02 pm

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Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:02 pm linkquote
sbaert wrote:
I think of Piaggio's product line in the same way as Apple's product line. You either go for it based strictly on the name, or the looks. But if you peak underneath it appears very quickly that it was pretty much just cobbled together with the cheapest parts without any real regard to worry free long term ownership (5+ years).

And in the same way you have people who refuse to use anything other than Apple products, you have people who refuse anything other than a MP3. These are the people who don't know or care that there are options and that those options are better for the most part.

I posted a link a couple of days ago of 2 prominent French motorcycles mags comparing the new MP3 against the new Kymco CV3. Both voted for the Kymco as their pick. Why is this signficant? France is the #1 market for the Piaggio MP3. I think Piaggio should be worried, and immediately start working on a true maxi scoot specifically one with more than 1 piston and better suspension vs. electronic fluff/junk like a rear backup camera instead of another case of the same old design that is nearing 20 years now.
Sadly all they are trying to do with the electronic stuff is get more cash out of our pocket, I would rather save that cash for petrol
Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:25 am

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Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:25 am linkquote
The MP3 is simply a beautiful machine, but they are not really strong. A simple blow to the front wheels and your fork is already bent a bit. It is certainly a shame that they are now going to build in all that electronics, because that costs more and more.

Just received all the parts, so I'll start building this week. I hope for good luck and that everything will work well again.



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