Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:24 pm

Member
2022 Liberty Baci Perugina
Joined: 23 Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Location: Hilo, Hawaii
 
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2022 Liberty Baci Perugina
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Posts: 17
Location: Hilo, Hawaii
Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:24 pm linkquote
There are so few accessories available for my Liberty yet I think the Liberty easily outnumbers any individual Vespa models. Is it a case of perfection that the Liberty doesn't need the bling or crash bars like the Vespa gets in abundance? I would like to add this and that but there is only a few this and not so much that. It is an inexpensive blank canvas just wanting to be customized. Your thoughts?
I would like a larger gas tank, better charging system for electrics and higher capacity battery. How about a trailer for day camping supplies to go to beach or on the mountail trails with the larger tires? Custom paints just like my Baci Perugina are beautiful. Can we get the HUGE capacity box cases like the Post Office or the front are cases with the relocated headlight as a conversion? There is so much more to do. Maybe even a trike conversion like the MyMover too.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:27 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
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Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:27 pm linkquote
No. Yes. Maybe. Not in that order.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:52 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
GTS 300ABS, Buddy 125, Buddy Kick 125
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 12765
Location: Oregon City, OR
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
GTS 300ABS, Buddy 125, Buddy Kick 125
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Posts: 12765
Location: Oregon City, OR
Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:52 pm linkquote
You can't get any of those things for a Vespa in the US either.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:09 pm

Hooked
BV250, BV500
Joined: 10 Mar 2018
Posts: 153
Location: SFBay
 
Hooked
BV250, BV500
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Location: SFBay
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:09 pm linkquote
Vespa seems to appeal to people who value style and "presence" and are willing to pay for it, while the Piaggio lines seem more suited to people who want useable function and commuter reliability and aren't as willing to pay for decoration and style. Just my impression.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:10 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:10 pm linkquote
The Baci Perugina is crafted to perfection and any attempt at customisation can therefore only subtract from the scooter nirvana lesser scooter models aspire to.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:20 pm

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
Joined: 03 Jun 2018
Posts: 1716
Location: Lancaster, U.K.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
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Location: Lancaster, U.K.
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:20 pm linkquote
Won't the seat melt in hot weather?



Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:43 pm

Member
2022 Liberty Baci Perugina
Joined: 23 Apr 2021
Posts: 17
Location: Hilo, Hawaii
 
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2022 Liberty Baci Perugina
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Posts: 17
Location: Hilo, Hawaii
Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:43 pm linkquote
Touring300 wrote:
Won't the seat melt in hot weather?
Hahaha. It depends on how hot she is.,,,
Actually I think the quality brown leather would be cooler and softer than the standard black vinyl in the sun. Itz a very classy ride. It is a real bargain for a $3,000 scooter. And I believe this Baci Perugina is already a collectible.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:22 am

Addicted
Piaggio Beverly 300 ie - 2012
Joined: 08 Aug 2021
Posts: 646
Location: Belgium
 
Addicted
Piaggio Beverly 300 ie - 2012
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Location: Belgium
Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:22 am linkquote
It is correct the Liberty outnumbers any Vespa. In Italian cities it is probably by far the most driven scooter.
But I think it is in the first place a practical means of transportation, nothing fancy about it.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:49 am

Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 1821
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
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Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:49 am linkquote
It's all about Target Market.

Vespas are more expensive and is more about style so a bigger range of aftermarket accessories makes more business sense.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:00 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
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Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:00 am linkquote
There's nothing wrong with being a poor country cousin



Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:13 am

Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
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Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Molto Verboso
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Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:13 am linkquote
znomit wrote:
There's nothing wrong with being a poor country cousin
After 1st cousins ok or just distant cousins?
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:15 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190 Friday afternoon special, Primavera, some pushbikes
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 8202
Location: Hermit Kingdom
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:15 am linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
After 1st cousins ok or just distant cousins?
Are you from Tasmania?
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:58 am

Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 1821
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
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Posts: 1821
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:58 am linkquote
znomit wrote:
Are you from Tasmania?
Actually yes. And no i don't have two heads ya bastard
Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:28 am

Addicted
2019 Piaggio Liberty 150
Joined: 20 Feb 2019
Posts: 907
Location: Norfolk, VA
 
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2019 Piaggio Liberty 150
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Posts: 907
Location: Norfolk, VA
Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:28 am linkquote
The whole reason I picked the Liberty was its simplicity and large wheels. That being said I like the Vespa styles a bit more. I'm always tempted to get a Sprint one day. Same simple insides as my Liberty with Vespa style on the outside.

My Liberty is my daily transportation and I've never seen another one in my area. I see a bunch of Vespas running around. I see a yellow GTS on a regular basis. A Sei Giorni. Blue GTS, or it could be a Primavera? A few vintage ones as well. I'll even include the Stella as I see 2 in my area.

But I'll stick with my workhorse for now. It may blend in with its surroundings but I like it.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:45 am

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1598
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
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Location: Hyde Park, New York
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:45 am linkquote
sc00ter wrote:
But I'll stick with my workhorse for now. It may blend in with its surroundings but I like it.
I wouldn't be too downcast about the scooter's humble pedigree. For one, it has a Vespa long cage engine in it. For another, since it's built in Vietnam it's probably built to stand up to Asian roads ensuring durability and a long life. It's success as a workhorse is built right in.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:14 am

Ossessionato
2010 ThunderFly 190, 2007 250 GTS, 1980 P200E
Joined: 29 Apr 2011
Posts: 3111
Location: Springboro, OH
 
Ossessionato
2010 ThunderFly 190, 2007 250 GTS, 1980 P200E
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Posts: 3111
Location: Springboro, OH
Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:14 am linkquote
Vespa Crash bars serve the purpose of protecting the metal body work, which can be very expensive to repair. Broken plastic panels are easier to replace.

You can get large top cases for the Liberty, but not OEM. I'm not sure why Piaggio doesn't offer some options that might cross over the brands. On my Piaggio Fly, I have a Givi E370 that offers great functionality.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:35 am

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2015 GTS 300 Super (Melody: 2015-2021, RIP) 2022 GTS SuperTech (Thelonica)
Joined: 22 Apr 2015
Posts: 3584
Location: Asbury Park, NJ
 
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Location: Asbury Park, NJ
Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:35 am linkquote
Remember Who Came First


As I see it, the Piaggio scooter line exists to "let Vespa be Vespa" while it competes with other brands and does whatever it takes, design-wise, from the basic Fly to the BV line and up to the MP3; there's no DNA in danger of scrambling there, unlike with the Brand That Made Pontedera Famous. To me, that's a win-win.
Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:11 pm

Molto Verboso
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 1821
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
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2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
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Posts: 1821
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:11 pm linkquote
kz1000ST wrote:
For another, since it's built in Vietnam it's probably built to stand up to Asian roads ensuring durability and a long life.
Maybe some are made there, but not all. In another recent thread somebody clearly identified that their Liberty was made in Italy (checked the vin prefix)
Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:51 pm

Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 1598
Location: Hyde Park, New York
 
Molto Verboso
Dongfang 170cc, CF Moto Fashion 250
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Posts: 1598
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Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:51 pm linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
Maybe some are made there, but not all. In another recent thread somebody clearly identified that their Liberty was made in Italy (checked the vin prefix)
That point to me was debatable. I discovered that 2008 and 2009 Fly 150s had ZPAM prefixes despite the fact that those years were all built by Zongshen in China. The more knowledgeable pointed out that one of the digits in the VIN indicate what factory the scooter was built. The VIN, in many cases, indicates where the bulk of the content is made, not where it's built.

Lance scooters all have Taiwan VINs even though they are built in SYM's China plant.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:59 pm

Ossessionato
Medley 150
Joined: 02 Jul 2016
Posts: 2115
Location: Adelaide
 
Ossessionato
Medley 150
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Posts: 2115
Location: Adelaide
Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:59 pm linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
It is correct the Liberty outnumbers any Vespa. In Italian cities it is probably by far the most driven scooter.

Scooter sales in Italy 2021.



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