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ZA is the usual first 2 letters for scooters assembled in Italy by Piaggio/Vespa.
This VIN code explanation on Wikipedia gives you most all the country codes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number |
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my 2019 supertech is RP8M45715KVxxxxxx and both the dealer and the asia pacific rep (based in singapore iirc?) who happened to be at my dealer when I was buying my scoot said that it was made* in vietnam.
I also know that the engine (think inc transmission) was shipped from italy to vietnam (found the shipping docs for these shipments!) * I interpret as that's where the assembly line is, not necessarily where the majority of parts come from. |
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I have owned 4 Vespas - 2 GTS and 2 LX. The first four letters of the VIN were ZAPM in all cases, i.e. all assembled in Italy. I've also owned 3 Piaggio scooters - the first 4 letters of the VIN were also ZAPM in all cases. And I've owned one Aprilia scooter - the first 4 digits were ZD4V, also assembled in Italy.
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The WIKI for VIN Decoding indicates the 11th digit of 5 is for assembled in Italy followed by the six digit serial number. But what about a 7 or other number?.? Also assembled elsewhere doesn't rule out Italian parts made in Italy? Can anyone make sense of this?
I think manufactured in Italy can still be assembled elsewhere. So we can't rely on the sticker where it reads "Made in ????????". Anyway does it really make a difference. As my cousin ANGRILY found out when he lifted the hood of his beautiful new Ferrari the valve covers had FIAT stamped on it.!!! (We all laughed for a week,,, except him,,, hahaha) ![]() Last edited by Bigdaddy808 on Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:20 am; edited 4 times in total |
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Bigdaddy808 wrote: The WIKI for VIN Decoding indicates the 11th digit of 5 is for assembled in Italy followed by the six digit serial number. But what about a 7 or other number?.? Also assembled elsewhere doesn't rule out Italian parts made in Italy? Can anyone make sense of this? I think manufactured in Italy can still be assembled elsewhere. The rest looks correct, my 2022 GST is a ZAP-beginning VIN, and we (dealer and me) were tracking it from off the boat from Italy (Texas port) though to the dealership in California. |
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Bigdaddy808 wrote: The WIKI for VIN Decoding indicates the 11th digit of 5 is for assembled in Italy followed by the six digit serial number. But what about a 7 or other number?.? Also assembled elsewhere doesn't rule out Italian parts made in Italy? Can anyone make sense of this? I think manufactured in Italy can still be assembled elsewhere. Last edited by Dooglas on Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:31 am; edited 2 times in total
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SlyDanner wrote: Not so sure about this. The model year for example: my VIN's 10th digit is actually a letter ('N') not a number. |
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sc00ter wrote: Here ya go. firstly taken at face value it disagrees with the wiki page posted earlier in this threat that asserts ZA is 'manufactured in italy' (I wouldn't interpret your 'made in vietnam' in any way other than the obvious). next I see a K for year which wikipedia says is 2019 and my 10/19 supertech also has a K. But your compliance plate says 11/18? Hmmm. lastly the plant code (manufacture specific) is a 7 not the more typical 5 for the vespas which we believe to be made in pondera. note: my vietnam scoot has a V here. |
The company I work for sells Made In America products that contain domestic and foreign sourced components. But believe me when I say only the highest quality parts go into our products, regardless of were they are sourced. We invest heavily in quality control on every level. I suspect Piaggio does the same, regardless of were a scooter is assembled.
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I think the 11/18 is the actual manufacturing month/year built while the K is for the 2019 model year designation.
The interesting pundit (joke) is that the highly skilled hard workers in the factories of Italy (Germany also ie BMW) are the many immigrant Chinese and Vietnamese peoples anyway!!! I am still waiting on delivery but after all your input I will be proud if my scooter says Made in Vietnam. I already know my VIN says ,,,N700xxxx so N is the 2022 model year and to be consistent the 7 is probably Made in Vietnam. Which really seems to infer is is assembled in Vietnam of the global Italian parts with some Chinese too. Hey,,, Whatever happened to Made in Japan for the electronics?? Last edited by Bigdaddy808 on Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:37 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Bigdaddy808 wrote: I think the 11/18 is the actual manufacturing month/year built while the K is for the 2019 I went to the unveiling of the supertech in aus in mid oct/2019 I bought my scoot 1 week later. ie still oct/2019 my scoot was one of the first shipment that my dealer got. the compliance sticker says 10/19. my scoot has K in the vin. wikipedia says K is 2019 I really doubt my bike had been made 10 months earlier ... but who really knows? EDIT 1: an extra for the above story: the date written on the underside of my ecu is 30/nov/2018. the chances of that ecu getting shipped to viet and being installed into my scoot on the assembly line during dec/2018 i pretty small. EDIT 2: found an old photo of my scoot and read the date code on the original tires. ya guessed it, "2019" which translates as May/2019 Last edited by steelbytes on Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:21 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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sc00ter wrote: The company I work for sells Made In America products that contain domestic and foreign sourced components. But believe me when I say only the highest quality parts go into our products, regardless of were they are sourced. We invest heavily in quality control on every level. I suspect Piaggio does the same, regardless of were a scooter is assembled. |
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steelbytes wrote: doesn't really work for me as an explanation. Here's a story ... I went to the unveiling of the supertech in aus in mid oct/2019 I bought my scoot 1 week later. ie still oct/2019 my scoot was one of the first shipment,,, |
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At this point my conclusion is that when something, any part really, says it is made in XXX it is, but only that part, not the whole scooter. The "country of manufacture" of the compliance plate and the VIN is where it was assembled. It's amazing how the bits and pieces of things are made in one place and then shipped all over the world as the finished project slowly emerges.
I've learned that fish caught wild in the North Pacific is often flash frozen and some is taken to factory ships where it is cleaned and prepared for market, but other is frozen and then transported to China where it is cleaned, cut up and prepared for market and then flown to the US. That wild Alaska salmon you buy may have been to China before it got to you.
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Globalisation.
wentwest wrote: At this point my conclusion is that when something, any part really, says it is made in XXX it is, but only that part, not the whole scooter. The "country of manufacture" of the compliance plate and the VIN is where it was assembled. It's amazing how the bits and pieces of things are made in one place and then shipped all over the world as the finished project slowly emerges. I've learned that fish caught wild in the North Pacific is often flash frozen and some is taken to factory ships where it is cleaned and prepared for market, but other is frozen and then transported to China where it is cleaned, cut up and prepared for market and then flown to the US. That wild Alaska salmon you buy may have been to China before it got to you. |
PeterCC wrote: My BV 300 has a VIN code starting with "ZAPM692" meaning build in Italy by Piaggio and the model code is M692, thus a BV 300 ie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zap_Mama |
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My experience as an American who served as a combat medic in Vietnam was such that I came away from that experience with 0 respect for the people there, north and south.
Each of us had a different experience depending on where and with whom we served. I found the remarkable indigenous Montagnard people to be wholly trustworthy. Nevertheless, after the passage of a half century ..I purchased a Liberty150i S made in Vietnam. After 5 yrs of ownership I've found it to be well constructed. I wanted a medium sized big wheel step thru scooter. In 2017 there was only one to choose from in the USA. O.S. |
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Since my VIN plate would read ' MFD by Piaggio,,, ' , I may just save myself the embarrassment and scrape off the Made in Vietnam sticker in the seatbucket. After all I don't plan on selling it again. Plus itz nobody's business except mine once I bought it.
Kinda reminds me of the mattress tags that say Do Not Remove (except by the consumer). Itz my scoot so I decide what stickers go on it. Problem solved. Italian Liberty!! |
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Bigdaddy808 wrote: Since my VIN plate would read ' MFD by Piaggio,,, ' , I may just save myself the embarrassment and scrape off the Made in Vietnam sticker in the seatbucket. After all I don't plan on selling it again. Plus itz nobody's business except mine once I bought it. Kinda reminds me of the mattress tags that say Do Not Remove (except by the consumer). Itz my scoot so I decide what stickers go on it. Problem solved. Italian Liberty!! ![]()
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Sledge wrote: Always found it funny that Italian made cars / scooters / motorcycles have a VIN code that starts with ZA. ZA sounds to me like Zuid-Afrika or South Africa. Our Renault cars all had and have a VIN code starting with VF, meaning "Voiture Française" or French Car. |
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