Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:13 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:13 am linkquote
Some rat drilled a 4 inch screw into my ignition... I cannot decide if this was an attempt to steal (happened while I was on vacation and scooter collected some dust) or if one of my neighbors is trying to send me a message. Any thoughts?
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:33 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:33 am linkquote
Classic method of theft.

In the workshop manual, Piaggio recommend drilling out the lock in order to remove the key barrel in a lost/broken key situation. That allows the steering lock to be inactivated.

If your bike, however, is fitted with an immobiliser - that wouldn't have allowed them to start the bike.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:24 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:24 pm linkquote
Thank you for this info. Lead me to learn a ton about my Vespa lmao. I'll need to replace the lock just praying no ignition or structural damage.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:28 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:28 pm linkquote
In fairness, turning a 4 inch long screw into the the ignition cylinder lock is not the same thing as drilling out the ignition in order to remove it. This sounds more like vandalism than attempted theft.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:33 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:33 pm linkquote
I think the screw is then used to pull out the barrel, hence attempted theft.
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:33 pm linkquote
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:59 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:59 am linkquote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
I think the screw is then used to pull out the barrel, hence attempted theft.
^^^^
This. Long screw, slide-hammer, barrel removed, steering lock can now be turned. The scoot gets a tow or gets pushed by another one around the corner then who knows where.

This was very common in London - maybe it still is, if there are any Vespas left there...
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:21 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:21 am linkquote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
I think the screw is then used to pull out the barrel, hence attempted theft.
Glad to hear that I remain mostly naive about that sort of thing.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:00 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:00 pm linkquote
They put a lot of effort into getting that screw in this lock is destroyed.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:53 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:53 pm linkquote
pacificpossum wrote:
They put a lot of effort into getting that screw in this lock is destroyed.
They don't use elbow grease - just a battery powered impact screwdriver. No human effort whatsoever.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 pm linkquote
Oh this explains the new circular scratches I got around the lock. Cowards. Thieves don't even break a sweat anymore...
Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:49 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:49 pm linkquote
pacificpossum wrote:
Oh this explains the new circular scratches I got around the lock. Cowards. Thieves don't even break a sweat anymore...
At least if you can get the screw out they've made drilling the centre out much easier.



Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:16 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:16 pm linkquote
That definitely was an attempted theft.
Park somewhere else. Have lock replaced. Maybe get additional security equipment sold by Scooterwest or AF1racing. Use a cover to discourage thieves. They don't covet what they can't see.

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:47 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:47 pm linkquote
This is actually very helpful for me. Mechanics have told me this a dangerous DIY job, along with replacing the ECU and all. Any thoughts or experience?
jimc wrote:
At least if you can get the screw out they've made drilling the centre out much easier.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:11 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:11 pm linkquote
I hope a locksmith can re-key the new lock cylinder to your original keys. Call ScooterWest in San Diego to see if they can do that for you. A mechanic could change the cylinder. If your lock still works maybe you could just live with it being bent ugly destroyed like that.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:17 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:17 pm linkquote
Mahalo. With my limited knowledge I am trying to determine whether I can use the same ECU with a new tumbler fitted to existing keys? It seems like a waste of material and coin to replace so many things, but perhaps thats the price of immobilizer function...
Bigdaddy808 wrote:
I hope a locksmith can re-key the new lock cylinder to your original keys. Call ScooterWest in San Diego to see if they can do that for you. A mechanic could change the cylinder. If your lock still works maybe you could just live with it being bent ugly destroyed like that.
Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:49 am

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Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:49 am linkquote
pacificpossum wrote:
Mahalo. With my limited knowledge I am trying to determine whether I can use the same ECU with a new tumbler fitted to existing keys? It seems like a waste of material and coin to replace so many things, but perhaps thats the price of immobilizer function...
One option is to use the 'tumbler' from your seat to replace the one that was damaged in your ignition. They're the same on my bike (but I don't have an immobiliser).

Any old cheap tumbler set can be purchased for your seat... ok, you'll have to use a different key for your seat but it buys you time.

That way, take it easy, work out a solution to keep using your programmed ignition keys, and getting something worked out cheaply. 👍
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:11 am linkquote
pacificpossum wrote:
Mahalo. With my limited knowledge I am trying to determine whether I can use the same ECU with a new tumbler fitted to existing keys? It seems like a waste of material and coin to replace so many things, but perhaps thats the price of immobilizer function...
If you have your original master (brown) key, then yes you can. You exchange the RFID chip in the new master key to the one from the old one, so the ECU recognises it. Then just re-program the ECU to accept the new blue service key.

If you don't have the old master key, you'll have to buy some clone-able blanks, have them cut to the new key shape, then make clones of your master and service keys. Then put the new master key in a safe place *that you will remember*. That last bit is important...
Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:32 am

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Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:32 am linkquote
Good thought. I think I can disconnect the immobilizer before removing the tumbler so it doesn't activate. At least that's how I recon it's work.
OscarSass wrote:
One option is to use the 'tumbler' from your seat to replace the one that was damaged in your ignition. They're the same on my bike (but I don't have an immobiliser).

Any old cheap tumbler set can be purchased for your seat... ok, you'll have to use a different key for your seat but it buys you time.

That way, take it easy, work out a solution to keep using your programmed ignition keys, and getting something worked out cheaply. 👍
Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:52 am

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Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:52 am linkquote
Yeah I have all the keys and the info card. The mechanics I talked to really made reprogramming an ECU seem impossible but I mean, they have their motives too.
jimc wrote:
If you have your original master (brown) key, then yes you can. You exchange the RFID chip in the new master key to the one from the old one, so the ECU recognises it. Then just re-program the ECU to accept the new blue service key.

If you don't have the old master key, you'll have to buy some clone-able blanks, have them cut to the new key shape, then make clones of your master and service keys. Then put the new master key in a safe place *that you will remember*. That last bit is important...
Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:19 am

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Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:19 am linkquote
pacificpossum wrote:
Yeah I have all the keys and the info card. The mechanics I talked to really made reprogramming an ECU seem impossible but I mean, they have their motives too.
Forget the info card - I suppose it could be useful to scrape ice off a windscreen, or jimmy a lock...

You don't need to disable the immobiliser as such before working on this - just disconnect the battery, as you'll be moving other electrical connections (ignition switch etc).
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