Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:43 am

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:43 am linkquote
I see no red flags. I must confess that I finally bought a P200 much like this one and I have ZERO regrets. ALL my other older bikes(except newish LML motored 125 Super) usually require various degrees of fiddling, but not my 'new' P200, just get on and go. Mine had just 9953 Km on it and this bike has even less.

The price is just a bit on the high side, but I think w/ the lo miles it's worth it for reliable riding right off the bat, plenty of power and easy to fix when it's not been fiddled with and parts easy to find. Again, if I could, I'd jump on this and then get an older one next too. Ask the seller if anybody has ever had to fix anything on or inside the motor maybe... And get some motor close up pics, please? And also under the bike in general.


as found, early model w/ no blinkers


not perfect, but SO easy to work on when nobody's messed it up before you get there.

Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:07 pm

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:07 pm linkquote
Lynnb wrote:
then again any reputable owner knows what he has and won't sell.
everything is for sale; it's just the price you might not like.
Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:14 pm

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:14 pm linkquote
I'd ask for pics of the underside. inquire if any mechanical work had been done.

it's been down at some point in its life. the front fender is scrubbed and the leg shield beading is scuffed. it wouldn't consider that wrecked, more like an "oops" at low speed.

price is definitely in the market. I'd say if you can get that to your door for 3500 you did pretty darn good.
Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:53 pm

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:53 pm linkquote
brok3nr0b0t wrote:
Would love if you guys and gals that know so much more than me could take a look at the pics and see if you can spot anything funky?
That's the most-bullet-proof shifty Piaggio made. Not as sexy as the pre-P's, in terms of ride feel. You'll sit higher, and take turns more with the front wheel vs your hips, FWIW.

It'll pull two up any hill stock.

Not EFL gearing yet, and still early in the days Piaggio had to deal with the US DOT's rules in terms of lighting. If the neutral light and the kill switch work, that's a rare thing.

You can do some of the "safer" upgrades at some point, like a box exhaust and a Vape ignition. More pull and better electrics all around.

Nothing funky in those pics, just a few character-dents.
Not a deal-of-the-day, but if the person you're buying from has a shop like that it won't likely be one. But a plus in other ways, like less mystery to the bike's history, seeing as he's had it for a while -- aka not a flip.
Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:56 pm

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:56 pm linkquote
Solid look P. It's a bit pricey, but mostly inline with prices around here - but most of those aren't selling.
Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:42 pm

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Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:42 pm linkquote
Awesome. I've asked him to send me a short video of it being started and idling and maybe I can get him to snap some of the underside as well.

And I agree greasy it's had to have been down at some point as old as it is but the levers and reflectors all seem to be intact so if it has been tipped it probably wasn't too bad. A slow motion "nooooooooo" moment or two.

And thanks for the extra details, ray. Seems like it's in a condition that I could ride it for a while as is and then decide later how much I want to restore/modify it. I won't have anything to compare it to for ride feel other than full size motorcycles so I'm sure it's gonna be weird at first all around!

This guy is a once a day emailer but seems to be getting back to me promptly and answering questions. I'll keep you all in the loop as to where we land!
Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:12 am

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:12 am linkquote
Hmm. Something fishy is afoot.



Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:05 am

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:05 am linkquote
Quote:
bamboozle me once, shame on you

bamboozle me twice, shame on me
You get an A+ in due diligence!

Looks like the Torrance CL was posted 4 weeks ago and the ScootNet2 less than 2 weeks.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:21 am

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:21 am linkquote
Scooter sleuth!

It's pooooooossible they moved to Portland in the time between the Craigslist post but garage pics being the same and the fact that it's a salvage title in the CL post and a "clear title in his name" via an email to me seems odd. I can't put together how that scam works but, I ain't touchin' it.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:24 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:24 pm linkquote
You could ask both sellers for close up pics of the frame VIN and engine numbers, plus title for fun...

Seems like the newer ad was lifted from the old, maybe they did move and dropped the price after seeing the market? 4300 ain't gonna sell easy.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:55 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:55 pm linkquote
at 3 and change, it's a decent deal. at 4 plus, pass.

salvage title, hard pass

chicanery of two listings and such? ease it on down the road.

I'll give benefit of the doubt, and the seller (the real owner) could come correct. I mean, hell I've had a listing boosted before. but I'd want all the pertinent info ahead of time so I could run the numbers myself before embarking on chasing it down.

but salvage. oof. it doesn't mean it was totaled, but you can't revert a salvage title and some insurance companies won't cover them.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:22 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:22 pm linkquote
Respond to the Craigslist ad from a different email address. See if you end up emailing with the same person. If not, I would suspect the Craigslist ad is a scam lifting the image and text from the legitimate Scoot.net ad. But, it's only a P... if it seems sketchy, just pass on it, there will be others.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:46 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:46 pm linkquote
I emailed the seller for a short video of the bike kicking over and idling a couple days ago and haven't heard back. If he ever responds with that, then I'll investigate further but, I'm not holding my breath.
Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am

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Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:25 am linkquote
Some folks mentioned earlier in the thread a good scooter shipper that they have used in the past. I'm working with Voodoo to hopefully pick up his buddies Sprint and would love to get that shippers details if anyone has them…or any other shippers you've used that you like…
Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:33 pm

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Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:33 pm linkquote
brok3nr0b0t wrote:
Some folks mentioned earlier in the thread a good scooter shipper that they have used in the past. I'm working with Voodoo to hopefully pick up his buddies Sprint and would love to get that shippers details if anyone has them…or any other shippers you've used that you like…
Denver James, find him on Facebook or I can PM you his number if you aren't on there as well.
Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:48 pm

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Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:48 pm linkquote
Found him! Thanks!
Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:29 am

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Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:29 am linkquote
That looks very straight, mk1 p range, very nice. Easy to source parts and they go on and on. I'd buy that but I'm biased towards P ranges as most reliable scooter I've owned and have had four. The one I've got now had for 12 years and in all that time only failed once due to a failed CDI costing £35 to replace .
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Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:36 am

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:36 am linkquote
brok3nr0b0t wrote:
Some folks mentioned earlier in the thread a good scooter shipper that they have used in the past. I'm working with Voodoo to hopefully pick up his buddies Sprint and would love to get that shippers details if anyone has them…or any other shippers you've used that you like…
Happy ending!
I just met Denver James , what a fun guy! He knows so much about scooters and so many ppl connected with them.


Yeah, we can load it in here right next to this $10,000 Lammy TV200 where it will be safe


All aboard and snugged down good


No need to ride in sketchy trailer with all of this riff raff!


Good bye James, it was a real pleasure to meet you!

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:32 pm

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:32 pm linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
Happy ending!
I just met Denver James , what a fun guy! He knows so much about scooters and so many ppl connected with them.
So cool! Super grateful for all your help, Terry. You truly went above and beyond to help an internet stranger out. There is hope for humanity! I'm going to try and pay it forward the best I can. Can't wait for it to arrive!
Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:18 pm

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:18 pm linkquote
Aw shucks, my pleasure. I never would have got chance to meet Denver James otherwise. Totally worth it just for that plus knowing bike is going to a good proper loving home.

Let's see a rolling shot of you here soon.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:54 pm

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:54 pm linkquote
Looks like he has really found his niche market in transport. The trailer setup is beautiful and really tailor made. I've planned to fit my little trailer too with same kind of supports for the wheels since they tend to turn or move sideways without them.

I think we could start a Denver James greetings thread that the next MV user meeting him could read to him. Might surprise him that he is known all the way around the world
Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:04 pm

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Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:04 pm linkquote
awesome! exciting times!
Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:04 am

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Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:04 am linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
Aw shucks, my pleasure. I never would have got chance to meet Denver James otherwise. Totally worth it just for that plus knowing bike is going to a good proper loving home.

Let's see a rolling shot of you here soon.
He's pretty great. Told me to text him next time I'm in Texas and we'll ride off road Vespas around his ranch. He also provides a great service. Just a guy who loves scooters and wants to help. A+ gentleman there.
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