Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:12 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:12 pm linkquote
My wife and I encountered two very young women on small scooters at a gas station in Charlottesville, Virginia, yesterday (near the U of Va.). Both were wearing beanie helmets, short pants, short-sleeved shirts and no gloves.

All I could envision was them getting skin grafts in the ER after falling off their bikes. Linda went over to talk to them (gently, without proselytizing) about the value of protective clothing. She said they appeared receptive.

My question is: Have you talked to riders who are riding under-dressed, so to speak? It's a delicate situation, but if so, how did you fare?
Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:24 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:24 pm linkquote
I advise friends but not randoms on the street.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:25 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:25 pm linkquote
I try to refrain, unless I am asked.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:32 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:32 pm linkquote
I've brought it up to new riders, or those considering getting a scoot. Most of the time they seem receptive, and I figure it's out of my hands after that. Other than that, the closest I usually get is just discussions about why I personally choose the gear I have. You can lead a horse to water, and all that.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:37 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:37 pm linkquote
I'm always reluctant to approach strangers in situations like this. It's just that these two looked so, I dunno, vulnerable.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:34 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:34 pm linkquote
I cringe when I see a rider on an electric bicycle going by at top speed and no helmet. These bikes are really small motorcycles but aren't treated that way, at least not yet.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:34 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:34 pm linkquote
Please only give advice if you have been asked for your opinion. Unsolicited evangelism is very bad manners at best, despicable at worst.

Let the rider decide!
Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:00 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:00 pm linkquote
Just a word here. My wife and I were in French Polynesia, at the small airport. We saw a couple, and after visiting a bit, I had to ask him what had happened! They were on their honeymoon and had rented a scooter, riding two up. They were wearing swimsuits and flip flops. She was very lucky and bailed off the back and only messed up her feet a bit. He was not so lucky, he looked like a MUMMY on over half his body. He was wrapped in gauze and said that you don't want to see how bad it looks beneath the gauze. I told him that we ride scooters, but wear gear all the time, just in case. He said if there was a next time, they would too! I asked how far they had traveled when this happened, he said about a hundred feet! One of the best examples of what to wear for gear, was a dealer that was asked just that. His reply to the new Vespa rider was to sit on the new bike was to sit on the new bike and to jump off face down on to the parking lot in his street clothes and see how that feels, now imagine going just 25 miles an hour, let alone 55-85!
Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:06 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:06 pm linkquote
I didn't listen when I first started riding as a teenager so I just let others do what they do, but I learned from my lack of gear after going down! And I don't offer safety advice to adults who SHOULD know better as they are set in their ways at that point.

I do this though. I bought a bunch of red rear and front white bicycle lights from a closeout sale. Easy on/off mounts that run off of button batteries. If I see a bicycle with no lights and broken reflectors I offer them a set of the lights. They accept, great. If not, oh well. But I try to do something to help them be seen.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:30 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:30 pm linkquote
Jurko wrote:
I'm always reluctant to approach strangers in situations like this. It's just that these two looked so, I dunno, vulnerable.
Good 👍 for you and your wife!
Kindness is never out of style 🙂.
You both cared enough to risk embarrassment. Here, and at the gas station.
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Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:09 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:09 pm linkquote
I'm in the "don't give unsolicited advice" camp. Young riders are not necessarily inexperienced riders.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:49 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:49 pm linkquote
When asked, I explain. Other than that I usually leave it alone. A few weeks ago a couple younger guys riding some cruisers asked why I wear full gear and a full face helmet. I explained that even though I have had only one accident in my 50 years of riding, it stayed with me to gear up. I also told them I like the way my jaw is attached to my head and skin grafts aren't fun. In the end , it is about the amount of risk you are willing to take.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:04 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:04 pm linkquote
I look at them up and down and shake my head in the most disapproving way I can with a 'you're an idiot expression' on my face and then move on.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:12 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:12 pm linkquote
In the summer, I ride in just T-shirt, shorts and sandals (with helmet, sometimes gloves). Wanna wag your finger at me? There are more ways than one to get a jaw bloodied.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:15 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:15 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
In the summer, I ride in just T-shirt, shorts and sandals (with helmet, sometimes gloves). Wanna wag your finger at me? There are more ways than one to get a jaw bloodied.
Sure are. One of the most indelible ways is to slide said jaw 100 feet or so along pavement.

Going to go run and hide now...
Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:19 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:19 pm linkquote
Thanks for speaking up first Jim. I have to admit that this summer I have been riding with shorts and T-shirt in this 100 deg. weather. I always wear helmet and gloves but I just can't put on long pants in the summer. We all know the risks and have to do what is appropriate for our own riding circumstances and comfort.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:55 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:55 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
In the summer, I ride in just T-shirt, shorts and sandals (with helmet, sometimes gloves). Wanna wag your finger at me? There are more ways than one to get a jaw bloodied.
This is how I feel too. As an aside, I've also noticed that I get tailgated and harassed much more in my cars than I do on my scooters. Anyone else experiencing this?

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:23 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:23 pm linkquote
Jurko wrote:
My wife and I encountered two very young women on small scooters at a gas station in Charlottesville, Virginia, yesterday (near the U of Va.). Both were wearing beanie helmets, short pants, short-sleeved shirts and no gloves.

All I could envision was them getting skin grafts in the ER after falling off their bikes. Linda went over to talk to them (gently, without proselytizing) about the value of protective clothing. She said they appeared receptive.

My question is: Have you talked to riders who are riding under-dressed, so to speak? It's a delicate situation, but if so, how did you fare?
I think protective gear is a smart idea but like a lot of risk management in life is a personal choice.
In some ways road cyclists carry nearly as much risk if not more risk as a scooter or motorcycle rider and wearing a mil or less of lycra, yet nobody is worried about them?
Life without risk is no life at all.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:26 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:26 pm linkquote
Ride your own ride. Squids will be squids no matter what you think about Toreador Pants.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:29 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:29 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
In the summer, I ride in just T-shirt, shorts and sandals (with helmet, sometimes gloves). Wanna wag your finger at me? There are more ways than one to get a jaw bloodied.
Same but I always wear a full face helmet, which I'm pretty sure is much safer than a 3/4 helmet but other than my kids I figure what other people wear to protect their face and cranial is their business
Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:45 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:45 pm linkquote
CaliforniaCruising wrote:
I think protective gear is a smart idea but like a lot of risk management in life is a personal choice.
In some ways road cyclists carry nearly as much risk if not more risk as a scooter or motorcycle rider and wearing a mil or less of lycra, yet nobody is worried about them?
Life without risk is no life at all.
Having been a cyclist...one of those risks is heat management. Mountain bikers are more likely to wear protective gear, but it's still a balancing act between external protection from oh-shit-TREE and internal protection from heat, sweat, etc.

I've recently gotten a textile vest to wear on the moto instead of a jacket because, at 90+F, getting dizzy from heat exhaustion is a recipe for a single-vehicle crash. I tried mesh...it holds too much heat for me.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:51 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:51 pm linkquote
I don't say anything to the woefully underdressed. If I did, I'd spend all day talking to people about what they aren't wearing. There is no "helmet law" in Connecticut. It's common to see people riding in shorts and T-shirts all summer. My favorite - a few years back I saw a guy riding a giant Harley (an Electra glide, perhaps) on the freeway in the rain while wearing shorts, T-shirt, backwards baseball cap, and flip flops. Idk how he was riding that behemoth in those conditions wearing flip flops, but he was.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:55 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:55 pm linkquote
Best I'll ever do is lead by example. I refrain from delivering unsolicited advice.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:20 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:20 pm linkquote
Cheshire wrote:
Having been a cyclist...one of those risks is heat management. Mountain bikers are more likely to wear protective gear, but it's still a balancing act between external protection from oh-shit-TREE and internal protection from heat, sweat, etc.

I've recently gotten a textile vest to wear on the moto instead of a jacket because, at 90+F, getting dizzy from heat exhaustion is a recipe for a single-vehicle crash. I tried mesh...it holds too much heat for me.
What's you're top speed during a ride? I used to routinely get my road bike over 40mph miles an hour on rides as I live in a very hilly area, no free lunch here but switched to XC style mountain biking many years ago, love them both and pretty much anything with 2 wheels
Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:41 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:41 pm linkquote
I appreciate your comments. Thank you.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:53 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:53 pm linkquote
I am with Jimc. On a hot summer's day, I sometimes ride in shorts and sandals, but always wear helmet and gloves. I have been scooting for 63 years, and my last accident was over 35 years ago, so I must be riding pretty defensively.

I worry about all the protective gear (particularly on motorcylists) that is black. I believe in visibility.
Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:46 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:46 pm linkquote
When I was in Italy this Summer, it amazed me that absolutely no one wore any protection besides a helmet and maybe gloves. No matter being on a Vespa, a Piaggio or a supersport.

That, and their riding like madmen, made me firmly believe there absolutely must be a Higher Force protecting the Italians...
Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:43 pm

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Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:43 pm linkquote
Mopmop wrote:
When I was in Italy this Summer, it amazed me that absolutely no one wore any protection besides a helmet and maybe gloves. No matter being on a Vespa, a Piaggio or a supersport.

That, and their riding like madmen, made me firmly believe there absolutely must be a Higher Force protecting the Italians...
Surely that only makes sense inside the Vatican City
Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:08 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:08 am linkquote
We used to have a very good thread documenting the inappropriate riding wear some ladies choose. Often very very inappropriate.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:09 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:09 am linkquote
Jurko wrote:
wearing beanie helmets, short pants, short-sleeved shirts and no gloves.
Seems pointless having the urban hop-oh/hop-off convenience of a scooter and dressing like a MotopGP rider.

This is normal?

Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:23 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:23 am linkquote
If I had to put all the gear on every time I got the scooter out, I would rather just get in the car.

I like to feel the sun and the wind (provided it is not cold or wet).
Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:10 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:10 am linkquote
To each his own. People know the risks. It truly is none of my business.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:51 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:51 am linkquote
Mopmop wrote:
When I was in Italy this Summer, it amazed me that absolutely no one wore any protection besides a helmet and maybe gloves. No matter being on a Vespa, a Piaggio or a supersport.

That, and their riding like madmen, made me firmly believe there absolutely must be a Higher Force protecting the Italians...
I am glad you wrote this. I was just going to say whenever you see a Vespa in a movie (which is pretty frequent) the riders never have gear on (other than maybe a skullcap helmet). Scooter riding is romanticized in movie and film as carefree. Wearing full gear wouldn't give the same look. This I would suspect is why many wear what they do. Myself, I wear a full face helmet, gloves and a quality textile jacket for the 5 mile ride to my office. I used to wear textile pants as well, but as others mentioned, heat is a factor for me.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:26 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:26 am linkquote
chickdr wrote:
I am glad you wrote this. I was just going to say whenever you see a Vespa in a movie(which is pretty frequent) the riders never have gear on (other than maybe a skullcap helmet). Scooter riding is romanticized in movie and film as carefree. Wearing full gear wouldn't give the same look. This I would suspect is why many wear what they do. Myself, I wear a full face helmet, gloves and a quality textile jacket for the 5 mile ride to my office. I used to wear textile pants as well, but as others mentioned, heat is a factor for me.
As long as we don't have an Italian passport, we cannot count on this Higher Force, so we'll need additional measures to stay safe out there .
Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:31 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:31 am linkquote
I would only do such a thing with a family member, and then only if they were very young.

Once you start with the protective gear conversation, the only logical conclusion is to not ride at all. It's a bit like criticizing someone's resource consumption/environmental choices, everyone draws the line somewhere and someone is always doing a better or worse job than you.

It's very personal and not exactly logical too; for instance, a couple of people have mentioned riding in sandals, which absolutely freaks me out. I think I would be more likely to ride without a helmet than ride in sandals, which I fully realize makes no sense at all, so I'm much better off keeping my mouth shut.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:35 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:35 am linkquote
Addressing the topic:
I don't talk gear unsolicited. I've had enough people do it to me when I started riding out of condescension or fear mongering that it soured me on the whole thing.

I started as Toreador Pants, but I gradually arrived at only some or just key pieces all the time. It varies depending on conditions and I don't "dress to crash." Crashing has nothing to do with my gear choices. Comfort (not being distracted) and avoiding a crash does!

When it comes up in conversation, I focus on the non-crash reasons I wear gear. There's good stuff for the full kit, too. Bugs, beetles, bees, acorns, rain, road debris, stones/pebbles, noise, helmet speakers, wind abrasion....
Leather or decent textile does a lot to take the sting out of a pebble or hard-shell beetle cracking your knuckle or kneecap at 60mph. Every year I brush off the occasional yellow jacket or wasp that hit me in the chest, lived, and got its stinger stuck in the fabric BUT NOT IN ME!! Summer cicadas, autumn golf balls that fall out of the sky, and on and on.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:48 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:48 am linkquote
I've matched the max speed of my ET2 on my bicycle (coming down a hill near where I live - on a country lane).

I regularly see 30mph on my bicycle when out for a ride - on declines.

The difference is, I'm treated with a lot more respect as a fellow road user when I'm riding the scooter - and the obsession to overtake me with little wiggle room only comes from supposedly fellow motorcyclists (car drivers don't bother).

I'd say I'm safer on the ET2 for that reason. On a bicycle - I am usually wearing less, and sometimes seen as a target to get past.

Of course, on the scooter, on longer jaunts I'll put the jacket and boots on - but not for a short ride into town.

On the hardly dangerous - being air cooled, with hot sharp edges etc, it would be daft to ride without appropriate gear. Plus it's a bit of a handful sometimes... not worth taking risks on it.

So I wouldn't get involved with someone's choice of attire usually...

That said, a young man (who used to live next door, who rode a Kawasaki like he had a death wish) crashed his bike wearing nothing but a t-shirt, shorts and trainers - I did point out that he was lucky he wasn't hurt dressed like that.

Guess it depends on the bike, the rider, and situation.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:28 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:28 am linkquote
I won't offer an unsolicited opinion to strangers regarding riding gear ; it's a very personal choice and other riders should assess their own risk appetite.

If I'm asked about my gear, then I'm going to give my full opinion. I'm an Toreador Pants proponent and my gear saved me last year from critical/potentially fatal injuries. You won't get a condescending lecture from me certainly, but I will try to be persuasive.

My gear helps me mitigate a certain amount of risk that is inherent to riding. I know that gear won't fully eliminate the risk of injury. I've had 2 slow speed incidents where I was barely bruised while riding fully geared. Without gear, I would have likely broken my jaw, based on the damage to the chin bar of my helmet, in one of those and would have messed my knee up badly in the other.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:14 am

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Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:14 am linkquote
I was on a Vespa tour in Florence in 2010. At a stop light an Italian pulled up beside me on a scooter wearing a half helmet, he had a flip phone open and jammed into it while he made a call (hands free!), had a lit cigarette in his mouth, and in his left hand was an ice cream cone. He proceeded to make a left turn on a red light. There must be a higher power protecting the Italians.

I personally would not offer unsolicited gear advice to a stranger.
Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:47 am

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Posts: 38
Location: UMD
Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:47 am linkquote

Giving advise to strangers

I'd rather vote for Joey again
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