Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:43 am

Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
 
Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:43 am linkquote
Hello

Been reading up on the QUATTRINI M-244. Has anyone done this upgrade on a P200E ? Can you use the standard engine casings or are you expected to upgrade them as well ?

Also SIP is saying to also get a fuel pump and a Vespatronic electronic ignition..

Just curious what experiences people have had with this upgrade.. Worth it ? Reliable ?

Thanks

J
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:47 am

Hooked
Parmakit Primavera -74, Polini Primavera -68, Stock 150 Touring -59, VMC 177 Bajaj Chetak 125 -95
Joined: 22 Jun 2022
Posts: 388
Location: Finland
 
Hooked
Parmakit Primavera -74, Polini Primavera -68, Stock 150 Touring -59, VMC 177 Bajaj Chetak 125 -95
Joined: 22 Jun 2022
Posts: 388
Location: Finland
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:47 am linkquote
This is a good video:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:14 pm

Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 3198
Location: Veria, Greece
 
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 3198
Location: Veria, Greece
Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:14 pm linkquote
Malossi Sport MK II for everyday use. Set correctly and it's bulletproof. Even bolt on makes a huge difference...
Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:58 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:58 pm linkquote
What's your experience level with high-end builds? Builds like that are lots of fun and high power, but also high dollar and high maintenance.

Just based on your questions, unless you have experience building non-Vespa motors, I'd suggest something a little less risky while you learn your building chops.

SaFiS' recommendation of the Malossi, which is a pretty tough kit, and you won't feel nearly as bad about blowing it up.
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:29 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11803
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11803
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:29 pm linkquote
shampoo wrote:
Hello

Been reading up on the QUATTRINI M-244. Has anyone done this upgrade on a P200E ? Can you use the standard engine casings or are you expected to upgrade them as well ?

Also SIP is saying to also get a fuel pump and a Vespatronic electronic ignition..

Just curious what experiences people have had with this upgrade.. Worth it ? Reliable ?

Thanks

J
you can use standard cases, but they will require machine work.

this isn't a P&P set up for sure. and to get the real potential out of it sounds like quite a bit of specialized work.

if you want a upgrade that you can basically snap on and use your existing peripherals go with the malossi.
Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:10 pm

Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
 
Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:10 pm linkquote
Thanks everyone. Definitely not experienced enough for potentially troublesome builds.. My Vespa is also my summer daily driver. So reliability is key.

I appreciate the advice !

J
Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm

Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 3749

 
Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 3749

Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:45 pm linkquote
what a sec...you're after reliability? What about going with a stock P200 engine?
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:03 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11803
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11803
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:03 pm linkquote
whodatschrome wrote:
what a sec...you're after reliability? What about going with a stock P200 engine?
my sentiments exactly. a blue printed P2 with a GS piston and some minor O-tuning would be a really nice set up. gear accordingly, throw a nice clutch at it, a little bit lighter flywheel, run a bell mouth/venturi on the carb and call it done with that sip road pipe.

he just had the motor rebuilt, but a 60 crank would go jam...
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:04 pm

Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
 
Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:04 pm linkquote
Yes, reliability is by far the most important aspect.

But, if I can squeeze out a little more torque, say to get ahead at the traffic light, that would be great. I don't need any more HP. The roads where I live aren't great. More speed isn't really what I am looking for as I am already being tossed around like a rag doll at 90 km/h. I am upgrading the suspension this winter and getting a SIP 2.0 exhaust.. But I was thinking what might be next in terms of getting some more pop off the line.
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:18 pm

Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 3198
Location: Veria, Greece
 
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 3198
Location: Veria, Greece
Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:18 pm linkquote
If you just want torque and reliability, 60mm crank, GS piston, some O-Tuning, MMW head, Cosa clutch and a Polini Box. I have this setup on my ratty PX and I love it when I ride it…
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:01 am

Molto Verboso
Joined: 14 Oct 2016
Posts: 1157
Location: northern New York
 
Molto Verboso
Joined: 14 Oct 2016
Posts: 1157
Location: northern New York
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:01 am linkquote
shampoo wrote:
Yes, reliability is by far the most important aspect.

But, if I can squeeze out a little more torque, say to get ahead at the traffic light, that would be great. I don't need any more HP. The roads where I live aren't great. More speed isn't really what I am looking for as I am already being tossed around like a rag doll at 90 km/h. I am upgrading the suspension this winter and getting a SIP 2.0 exhaust.. But I was thinking what might be next in terms of getting some more pop off the line.
90 kph is where I start to feel tossed around. Gusts of wind that weren't there before, loose clothing starts flapping.
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:06 am

Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
 
Enthusiast
P200E
Joined: 24 Nov 2021
Posts: 65
Location: Montreal
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:06 am linkquote
I take this tunnel into the office. Speed limit is 70km/h. For most of this summer, the lights in the tunnel were out. When hitting 70km/h or so, with the poor light, I can't see all the cracks and pot holes and there were a few times where I am sure my ass lost contact with the seat.

We'll see if the new suspension makes a difference. But if not, all more speed will do is ensure my ass leaves the seat for even longer.. Maybe even forever !
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 am

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
 
Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 am linkquote
shampoo wrote:
Yes, reliability is by far the most important aspect.

But, if I can squeeze out a little more torque, say to get ahead at the traffic light, that would be great. I don't need any more HP. The roads where I live aren't great. More speed isn't really what I am looking for as I am already being tossed around like a rag doll at 90 km/h. I am upgrading the suspension this winter and getting a SIP 2.0 exhaust.. But I was thinking what might be next in terms of getting some more pop off the line.
If you want torque and not top speed swap out that SIP 2.0 for the Polini box instead.
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