Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:35 am

Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
 
Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:35 am linkquote
I'm picking up my new-to-me GTS 300 Touring and have a quick question (this purchase was done remotely and I've never seen the scoot except in pics):

Is the remote seat release/finder remote an option or was it standard equipment on GTS 300 Super and Touring models ? I know the windscreen was stock on the Touring model and is missing on this one; the salesman doesn't know much about the history of it.

I'm also curious why, with just 350 miles, the windscreen is missing. Doesn't bother me that much, I already have a taller screen for it as the stock is very small. I suppose the PO just didn't like it.....

Having had a 2010 Super for the last seven years, I'm pumped to get my hands on the newer model even though I know there's not a lot of change.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:09 am

Hooked
2017 GTS300 + 2007 LX50 2020 Kawasaki Versys 1000 1994 Piaggio Ciao
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 234
Location: The Netherlands
 
Hooked
2017 GTS300 + 2007 LX50 2020 Kawasaki Versys 1000 1994 Piaggio Ciao
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 234
Location: The Netherlands
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:09 am linkquote
Hey,

That's great!

The remote seat release/finder remote is standard equipment on your model.

Make sure you change the oil, the brake fluid and the cooling fluid. I'm pretty sure that hasn't been done if it's only got 350 miles.

Enjoy the ride! And we looooove pics...
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:32 am

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
Joined: 03 Jun 2018
Posts: 1831
Location: Lancaster, U.K.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
Joined: 03 Jun 2018
Posts: 1831
Location: Lancaster, U.K.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:32 am linkquote
Congratulations on your new purchase. You will notice a discernable difference between your 2010 Super and your new 2020 Touring. The new HPE engine has more torque and the ride and handling are a lot more responsive. I am sure you will be very happy with it.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:59 pm

Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
 
Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:59 pm linkquote
I rode it home from the dealer today, 135 miles.

First impressions:

Seat is NOT as comfortable as 2010, maybe just needs some break in;
Power is definitely up, nice!;
It handles speed better for some reason, 80 indicated for a moment, solid on the road;
I miss being able to pop the seat without having the ignition on;
No fob, couldn't get a hold of the PO, salesman is going to try, I'm guessing it is in a drawer...;

The original small windscreen is also missing and since the threaded inserts were not there, I'm betting it was never installed (probably in the drawer with the fob...)

I purchased an aftermarket screen, installed it after I got home and it doesn't fit well, not sure what the issue is, will fiddle with it.

All in all, it is sweet and I know I'm going to like it. Time will tell if I grow to like it as much as the 2010. I do like the two trip odometers and a 'real' clock.

And a question for the forum: It came with a leather-look bag that is like a purse with Velcro straps. Looks like maybe it is supposed to fit on the glove box? Abut that size. Any thoughts (Oh, it is embossed 'Vespa' and 'JGZ', a monogram?)
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:19 pm

Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
 
Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:19 pm linkquote
Well, a quick Google search revealed that the bag is designed to fit on the door of the 'luggage' compartment, better known I think as the 'glove box.' But all I find are in fabric, this is leatherette. At any rate, I'm not sure I'll ever use it, much nicer for a lady rider....
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:51 pm

Ossessionato
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 2064
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
 
Ossessionato
2019 Supertech (EURO3/APAC)
Joined: 17 Nov 2020
Posts: 2064
Location: Batmania aka Melbourne, Australia
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:51 pm linkquote
Jgz is a brand of bling etc for bikes and scoots readily available on AliExpress etc

You can open the seat without turning on ignition. Key positions are
* Steering locked
* Steering unlocked
* Seat and glovebox openable
* Ignition on
Note: key is removable only in the first two positions
Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:50 pm

Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
 
Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:50 pm linkquote
Thanks Mr Bytes,

I did discover the other key position. Another new thing from 2010! And I discovered today what at PITA it is to check and add oil. Actually, adding a touch was easier than getting the dip stick back in. Reminds me of a dry sump Honda XR that I had; replacing the dip stick was a test of patience.

I was not familiar with JQZ, will check it out. But the bag is worthless to me, would be free to anyone willing to pay the post. Will post it in the classifieds.

JQZ must be more of a European outfitter as the only item on Amazon from them was an imitation Swiss Army blanket. I did find lots of products through Desertparts or some such.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:26 pm

Addicted
Vespa S
Joined: 21 Dec 2010
Posts: 838
Location: Toronto, Canada
 
Addicted
Vespa S
Joined: 21 Dec 2010
Posts: 838
Location: Toronto, Canada
Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:26 pm linkquote
Mopmop wrote:
Hey,

That's great!

The remote seat release/finder remote is standard equipment on your model.

Make sure you change the oil, the brake fluid and the cooling fluid. I'm pretty sure that hasn't been done if it's only got 350 miles.

Enjoy the ride! And we looooove pics...
Seconding the suggestion to change brake fluid. Most overlooked piece of basic maintenance in both bikes and cars, and it could actually save your life.

Congrats on the new toy btw. Cool to hear the confirmation of the noticeable power difference.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:09 am

Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
 
Enthusiast
'20 GTS300 Touring
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 76
Location: Ruidoso Downs, New Mexico
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:09 am linkquote
adri wrote:
Seconding the suggestion to change brake fluid. Most overlooked piece of basic maintenance in both bikes and cars, and it could actually save your life.
So with ABS, is it still just a matter of pumping the fluid through the system (with a bleeder open) front and rear? And this fluid is so clear that it will be hard to tell when the old is out and the new is in.

I've never changed brake fluid unless it was a)old and yellow or b) old and old. I bought a Yamaha FJ1100 once with what looked like sawdust in the front brake reservoir. Cleaned it out, filled it up and rode the bike, eventually to Alaska and back. Never a problem.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:29 am

Molto Verboso
2021 GTS 300 HPE +2013 GTS 300ie + 294 Polini
Joined: 12 Dec 2017
Posts: 1845
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
 
Molto Verboso
2021 GTS 300 HPE +2013 GTS 300ie + 294 Polini
Joined: 12 Dec 2017
Posts: 1845
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:29 am linkquote
AFAIK, brake fluid should be changed every year as it absorbs water through the reservoir cap. Water in the BF lowers the boiling point and causes fading.
It is cheap enough for an annual change.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:13 am

Hooked
2017 GTS300 + 2007 LX50 2020 Kawasaki Versys 1000 1994 Piaggio Ciao
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 234
Location: The Netherlands
 
Hooked
2017 GTS300 + 2007 LX50 2020 Kawasaki Versys 1000 1994 Piaggio Ciao
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 234
Location: The Netherlands
Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:13 am linkquote
Correct Fudmucker, except that once in two years is the rule of thumb.

Neglecting brake fluid also increases the chance of a sticky brake calliper, causing the brake to not disengage completely, which causes the brake to overheat.
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:00 pm

Hooked
Primavera
Joined: 02 Aug 2022
Posts: 114
Location: SoCal
 
Hooked
Primavera
Joined: 02 Aug 2022
Posts: 114
Location: SoCal
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:00 pm linkquote
McRuss wrote:
So with ABS, is it still just a matter of pumping the fluid through the system (with a bleeder open) front and rear? And this fluid is so clear that it will be hard to tell when the old is out and the new is in.

I've never changed brake fluid unless it was a)old and yellow or b) old and old. I bought a Yamaha FJ1100 once with what looked like sawdust in the front brake reservoir. Cleaned it out, filled it up and rode the bike, eventually to Alaska and back. Never a problem.
You probably already Youtubed it but here is what I watched before doing my 2018 Primavera and had no issues,
no different than flushing my ABS equipped 2018 Kawasaki brakes.

*Sensei said to flush 1/4 bottle on front brakes if old fluid looks clear and 1/2 a bottle if old fluid looks old/yellow, (a bit more for rear brakes)

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:28 pm

Addicted
2020 GTS 300 HPE
Joined: 27 Sep 2019
Posts: 931
Location: San Francisco
 
Addicted
2020 GTS 300 HPE
Joined: 27 Sep 2019
Posts: 931
Location: San Francisco
Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:28 pm linkquote
My remote broke off in the first year. I tossed it in a drawer and haven't looked at it since. It's only mildly convenient, and this way I'm extra confident that I won't accidentally close the seat with my keys inside.

The seat on the 20 Touring is garbage. If you park outside, replace it.

I've been playing chicken with Piaggio's warranty department, and I need to just suck it up and replace the seat. Not only is my seat destroyed, but it's also been scratching up my handlebar cover when the seat is open.

(The vinyl gets sticky and then deteriorates. I've gone through two seats so far, and each has lasted 7 or 8 months before going bad.)
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