Modern Vespa

the blue key on my old gts was of that softer plastic not the harder blue of the hpe era vespas.

It broke. the small hole in the corner broke so I used a couple of small zip ties to strap a ring to it and carried on.

IDK about the new keyfob, but I heard the original HPE fob was borrowed from Fiat, which explains why it has buttons that don't do anything.

I'm a bit curious - if not particularly optimistic - about Piaggio making these new features backward-compatible, given that the hardware is already there (even in my old GTS Super, had it hung around one enough for me to install the optional Bluetooth module)? More-important to my mind is whether they've made any improvements to the otherwise-wretched Navigation function, which makes Apple's first iteration of Maps look like sheer genius.

Other stuff on their website describing the updated SuperTech are predictably nebulous, such as:

- Underseat compartment with LED Lighting

So: does this mean they've actually wired the pet carrier for interior lighting? Cool idea, although I recently came up with my own setup (coming in a review soon, promise)

- High-tech finishes in warm grey and fluorescent green

Why is it that, at least in my case, they manage to come up with one color that says "yep, that'll do, even if it's not my slam-dunk fave*", and one that gives me that whiskey-tango-foxtrot convulsion? Of course, in the world of color choices, this is Planet Vespa, and I've learned to live in its fashion-forward atmosphere. Mostly.

(*I've been asked if Nero Convinto Matte was my off-the-bat favorite color for the SuperTech, and the honest answer is "not quite": the putty-grey "Audi/Volvo/Kia-Stinger" finish was my fave, but by the time I got 'round to replacing my wrecked '15 Super, it was either that satin-black or (hold it, need to look this one up…) Grigio Delicato Matte. I do prefer Nero to this, and this was helped by the fact that the bike I got was actually purchased by someone else as a gift to her partner, who rejected it because she didn't like the color. And if I didn't like the color, I'd have waited another two months before another shipment came in…supply-chain, y'all.)


Oh, yeah: Matte-black is a little easier to touch-up, and cleans-up in a pinch. Big dents from careless drivers are still a bitch, of course.


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And price went up ~640 EUR. The upcoming Lambretta X300 and G350 now looks even more interesting especially as the better G350 is 1040 EUR less than new GTS 300

2022 GTS with added Admore multifunction light bar and Scooter West LED upgrade.

I was trying to remember the details of the new Lambrettas. Was a tad hard to find, so I'm summarizing here:

- A Dutch enthusiast set up shop in Lugano (Italian Switzerland - very near to Lake Como, home of Moto Guzzi) with the rights to "Lambretta." Design is done there, inspired by the original Lambretta.
- They're manufactured in Thailand, using an off-the-shelf Chinese engine.

I dropped into my local dealer here in Melbourne yesterday and had a chat. Coincidentally they were chatting to the head of Vespa Australia the day before and asked him about the 2023 and he knew zero about it. So my dealer took a guess and said we probably won't get it until jun/jul but really has no idea. Also note that the Australian version of vespa.com doesn't mention it yet.

PS reminder our gts come from the vietnamese factory so ...

I def took a peek at the Vietnamese Vespa site when they announced these. Didn't see the new GTS there either.

I'm probably gonna spend a bunch of the winter in that part of the world, and it could be fun to tool around on a fancy new toy while I'm there (and maybe bring back some souvenirs for my model at home).

Close up look. Subtitled in English at least (though I can only get the subtitles to work on my iPhone not expanding the video)

Nice summary. Of course it is made somewhere else and it's not exactly Lambretta so to say, but even BMW C400 is chinese abd tget go well.

What I am curious about are the engines. The bigger one seems a lot like engine from Honda Sh 350 and smaller one in X300 reminds iGet from left side view

A full review from Robot...

... with references to and screenshots from modernvespa.com around the 31-minute mark

(Including your monkey butt comparison )

He anyalises the MV membership comments because of their in-depth knowledge

... of both the scooter world and the animal world!

So cool, you MV blokes are famous.

Want a 300. I could actually get it from Vespa Motorsports and have them service it as well during warranty, they are only about 65 freeway miles away or 105 lower speed limit, scenic canyon miles away, bit of a stretch for my Primavera 150 but have made that run on it, one of my favorite 2 wheel rides ever

That ain't what I'd call a review.

To no surprise, he's commenting on the same rumors/articles we've been reading. Sounds like he hasn't seen them or gotten any inside info either. (He says it in the first minute of the video - I haven't watched the whole thing.)

I stopped watching in the first 30 seconds when he said he hadn't seen one yet.

I ended up listening to the whole thing. He does have some dealer brochure that is a bit more organized than what's available publicly, but if you've been reading this thread, you're not missing much.

Yet here you are.

And there, but for the grace of Dog, go I (or Thelonica, at least, inflicted-wart and all).


"Everybody's a dreamer, and everybody's a star…"

2023 GTS models: hmmm, if you don't love Black hardware (as I don't) and you don't like Matte finishes, (as I don't), there are very few choices for a 2023 GTS 300 buyer.

Personally I was hoping to see a wider array of finish choices. I guess I am more drawn to brighter Gloss colors of which none seem to be new for 2023, except maybe the Beige if they actually offer that color in the US when they make the official U.S. announcements.
Perhaps some other U.S. Color might drop when they announce.

Yeah, there are the most colour choices for the Super Sport. As if they tried colour after colour to check when it looked good, when all they had to do was remove the carbon sticker on the tie.

I don't quite understand the fascination with black. Sure they look great and no problems for daytime rides but at night black scooters are far more difficult to see. I've always tried to pick a lighter colour, as hard as Vespa tries to make it.

Now they're gone again....

Agreed. I was disapointed at the lack of gloss colors. The beige looked pretty cool (hard to believe I'm typing that!), but it has disapeared off of the US site as an option for some reason. Black trim isn't my favorite, either.

Based on what I am seeing so far for 2023, I am most interested in the Orange Super Sport model but thinking about changing all the black parts and leg trim to Chrome, losing that non matching front tie for a 2022 Orange one and swapping out those wheels too, which I think pale in comparison to the 2022 turbine wheels and then removing those stripes! I think I could live with it then.

By that point, you're paying for what - a mystery seat and suspension, neither of which we know are actual improvements yet?

I wonder if you're better off finding a 2022 that somebody bought thinking they were actually returning to the office. You know a lot of new Vespas just sit in the driveways of formerly-eager riders.

Because it is cheaper to produce for manufacturer that's why you see them a lot lately even with motorcycles. Sure they may look great, but for the owner it is nightmare. In case you actually use your machine for riding as any small amount of dust and other stuff is immediately visible.

That's why cars bought for companies are mainly white, because of price and ability to put own sticker on them. With black it will be cheap too, but complicates creation of stickers and that's why we do not see more black company cars (except for funerals )

This video contains more information than any from before and I think is the first riding impressions I've seen. It's in german.

https://youtu.be/qwKrEHrEwh0?t=362

She said the chassis has been reworked to be more compliant, shocks have new dampers. She said that made a significant difference and so Vespa have upped or removed the 120k speed cap. I'm not sure where the new cap is but she said someone saw 125k on GPS. Bars are 14mm wider.

She also talked about brakes, saying there are new Nissen and Brembo calipers, and Brembo master cylinders. Another video I saw showed some doc/info stating the stopping distances are marginally shorter. She added that brake levers are closer to the bars, so easier for smaller hands—and personally that's my taste too.

The seat shape is adjusted for shorter legs to reach down more easily. It seems like it's got a number of adjustments catering to smaller folks which is great for women who want the HPE power.

So in summary it seems like there's a lot more new stuff going on that I've heard here in the forums, and perhaps the prices are worth it.

Did she lock the keys in the pet carrier?

Sounds like the tie is wider on the new models:

[edit] I just watched the whole video. Sounds like the seat is more plush - narrower in the front and wider in the back. (Queue The Mullet Song.) The tester found both the seat and the suspension to be significantly improved over the original HPE.

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@znomit: They're doing testing and exchanging Vespas for different colors shots. It makes sense to have the key fob under the seat since it's a keyless system…

I wonder if the seats will be interchangeable between the 2023 and the older GTS'es?

I've been wondering this too.

It looks like the US market will not be getting the Matt Black option on the GTS 300 Super Sport.


USA vs DE

I'm really disappointed in the colors of this new GTS. I've been officially in the market for one since about May 2022. There were a few colors in the 22 lineup I liked but couldn't find any in stock locally. I thought about buying long distance but after adding shipping cost was looking at another grand to get color of choice.

So figured may as well wait to see what the 23's look like. When they posted the new colors I was a bit surprised at the options, as they got rid of a lot of nice ones. But I really liked the Blue Super Tech and felt like the Beige was a classy color I could probably love in person.

And now that the pre-orders are up, I see the only two colors I really liked are the two colors they removed!! I really don't know what they are thinking. If you don't want a black/grey/silver, you're left with the Super orange or gold which, in my opinion, look a little busy and I dunno, like they're just trying too hard to get attention.

So if you want a '23, you have very few options to get a nice "classic" Vespa color, if you don't want white, red, or black. (I love the Verde Amabile but don't think it suits me. Would be prefect for my wife but I bought her a verde Pic Nic so already got that color!)

I just don't get why they limit the US markets options so much. I've seen many Vespa colors in other countries I would love to buy that are not offered here. Now not sure what to do. My local dealer has a new '22 Touring and though I was hoping to get an actual color and not grey, do like the brown saddle and the classic style to it with the rear rack and windshield. But no discount is being offered so hard to justify paying full price for last years model that wasn't even my first, second, or third choice!

Anyone else in the market for a 2023 GTS as disappointed as I am?

Anybody know if the Sei Giorni will continue threw 2023 or change or disappear?

No one is able to pre order online today as the USA Vespa Store checkout goes to a 502 error.

I hope Vespa isn't going to start following the lead of manufacturers like Honda by sticking the USA with its blander colors. When Honda's ADV 150 came out it was offered in colors like candy red, pearl white, black, and dark metallic silver. When it made its way here the following model year Honda put out a press release talking about how much fun scooters are, and what super-fun color did they offer us? Matte. metallic. black. Yay.