Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:46:11 +0000

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Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:46:11 +0000 linkquote
My only input at this stage is a hint when replacing the motor in the chassis.

Find a wooden dowel slightly smaller in diameter than the engine mounting cross bolt.
Cut to the same length as the bolt and round off the ends of the dowel before using.
You can feed the dowel through the pathway without damaging the metal bits on the engine, frame and sundry bushes.

When the dowel is fully through, use the cross bolt to push the dowel out the other side.
Thu, 17 Nov 2022 03:16:43 +0000

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Thu, 17 Nov 2022 03:16:43 +0000 linkquote
so what you want to do is bring #1 up to TDC firing, check the cam phase, then look into the distributor hole... you'll see a slot, that lines up with the distributor shaft, when you drop in the distributor it will engage the drive gear and rotate the rotor...

wait. sorry. no.

*flips on the scooter switch*

Kev hit it on the head and you were on the right track. bring the piston up to TDC and line up the mark on the flywheel with the mark on the pump housing. now, don't touch it.

to note: this is with the head and the chain tensioner off. use the crank nut to turn it over, the chain will want to bind and jump around a little, just use your fingers to keep it taut as you roll it over.

now take a little piece of wire and wrap it around the chain. this is for later.

once you've got everything cleaned up on the barrel and the head gasket surfaces, go ahead and knock the cam and rockers all together. remember to leave the adjustment screws some play so that you can move the cam back and forth a touch. you'll want the crown wheel just as an aid to locate the cam. go ahead and get that mark kinda sorta lined up with he corresponding mark on the head.

make sure that lower chain guide is fully seated. don't forget the o-ring for the studs AND the locating pins for the head. drop the gasket on, using that little piece of wire on the chain you can guide it thru gasket. now drop the head on and using that little piece of wire guide the chain thru the passage in the head.

throw the nuts on and finger tight jimmy them up, just so nothing jumps off on ya. now, here you can torque everything up and then put on the cam gear or wait. your call.

so you've got it all torqued down (or not), double check that you tightened the cam plate retainer screws. now put on the crown wheel and hold the chain up to it to get an idea of about where it will be and then slip gear into the chain and put in onto the cam (don't forget the thin washer) and see if it lines up. is it close? yeah, sorta, I guess? put a little tension on the chain by poking it thru the tensioner hole, does it move and line up exactly? bang. you got it!

nah man, it's way off. mutter to yourself: well shucks (or whatever other word you'd like to use) and pull the wheel and advance it one tooth/link in the direction you think it needs to go. check it again. mutter to yourself that you went the wrong way like an idiot, then pull it and go two the other way. put it back on. poke the chain. hey! presto! I got it!

assembly is the reverse from here on.

TL/DR: piston at TDC, flywheel mark lined up, 4V arrow line lined up at the head. don't forget anything that goes between the head and barrel, don't pinch the chain between the head and barrel, don't drop anything down into the timing chain gorge.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:18:42 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:18:42 +0000 linkquote
Thanks guys. Had me nervous for a second there greasy!

Got out in the shop this afternoon. Slow progress, especially with the timing...I think I checked the cam gear a good half dozen times. But hey, better than rushing.

At this point I'm ready to install the cam tensioner and should be fitting the cam cover, but erm, someone forgot to order the gasket. On the bright side I should be able to replace that after the engine is installed. Probably be at that on Sunday latest.

Another bit of good news is that while we have snow outside and it didn't break above freezing, workspace was fine and cold wasn't a distraction. Should be good in that department.

So, if you've hung in there this far, I owe you a bit of workshop porn...


Timing mark. Check.


Progress


Official shop pants. Ratty enough to just toss when done.

Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:58:26 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:58:26 +0000 linkquote
Looks good. Personally, I would wait for the valve cover gasket and install valve cover while the motor was still out - it would be a lot easier.

If you do install the motor first, at the very least install the old gasket and valve cover to keep dirt from getting into the head during install, and don't install the shock bolts so you can jack up the frame and tilt the head up for better access to the valve cover bolts.

You already checked valve clearance? And you have new five new valve cover bolt gaskets/grommets? Good time for a new spark plug, too, if you're close to being due.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:31:32 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:31:32 +0000 linkquote
kmev wrote:
Looks good. Personally, I would wait for the valve cover gasket and install valve cover while the motor was still out - it would be a lot easier.

You already checked valve clearance? And you have new five new valve cover bolt gaskets/grommets? Good time for a new spark plug, too, if you're close to being due.
Valve clearances....forgot to mention that. I checked them on disassembly out of curiosity, but loosened them to install the cam, etc, so yes, back at them. No biggy. I have the grommets and new plug ready too.

What I don't have, is the timing chain adjuster gasket. It was ordered, delivered, noted that it was easy to misplace, apparently put somewhere safe...and misplaced. It's one of the hazards of prolonged projects...and my perennial misfortune it seems. Something's always going lost. Anyway, wondering if it doesn't show up if its possible to safely reuse the old gasket, or just wait around to get a replacement (and lose something else in the meantime.
Waiting for the valve cover gasket seems like a good idea...no rush, and yeah, bending over peering into the dark abyss in the scooter is never fun. Having that baby on the benchtop makes it actually fun.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:39:30 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:39:30 +0000 linkquote
you can reuse the gasket as long as it's not compromised in any way. just give it a little wipe of sealant and send it.

agree with Kev, adjust the valves and knock the valvecover on while it's out.

you're almost there!
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:41:44 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:41:44 +0000 linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Thanks guys. Had me nervous for a second there greasy!

Got out in the shop this afternoon. Slow progress, especially with the timing...I think I checked the cam gear a good half dozen times. But hey, better than rushing.

At this point I'm ready to install the cam tensioner and should be fitting the cam cover, but erm, someone forgot to order the gasket. On the bright side I should be able to replace that after the engine is installed. Probably be at that on Sunday latest.

Another bit of good news is that while we have snow outside and it didn't break above freezing, workspace was fine and cold wasn't a distraction. Should be good in that department.

So, if you've hung in there this far, I owe you a bit of workshop porn...
quick check on the timing is to roll the motor over twice and see if the marks all still line up!

but I think you've got it.

sometimes ya gotta throw your grubbies on and get down, I have entirely different work pants for "non mechanical" dirty jobs so I know all too well about the disposable aspect!
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:44:09 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:44:09 +0000 linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
you can reuse the gasket as long as it's not compromised in any way. just give it a little wipe of sealant and send it.

Good news...besides, that increases my chances of it showing up at least 5-fold..though probably after it's too late.

At any rate, the valve cover gasket is apparently on it's way already, so things are creeping forward! I've got to admit it's been a fairly enjoyable project, at least the sense of accomplishment outweighs the aggravations.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:33:14 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:33:14 +0000 linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Good news...besides, that increases my chances of it showing up at least 5-fold..though probably after it's too late.

At any rate, the valve cover gasket is apparently on it's way already, so things are creeping forward! I've got to admit it's been a fairly enjoyable project, at least the sense of accomplishment outweighs the aggravations.
Knocks wood....
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 18:31:19 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 18:31:19 +0000 linkquote
I'm still loving this. Except the cold 🥶 part.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:16:08 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:16:08 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
I'm still loving this. Except the cold 🥶 part.
The first thing I check on when I visit MV
is this thread. I think fledermaus has it nailed thanks to the professional guidance of these qualified scooter mechanics.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:19:16 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:19:16 +0000 linkquote
Wow you cleaned that up really good. It's like a new engine.



Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:40:57 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:40:57 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
I'm still loving this. Except the cold 🥶 part.
Spoiler alert:



Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:42:22 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:42:22 +0000 linkquote
Max6200 wrote:
Wow you cleaned that up really good. It's like a new engine.
One of the percs of removing the engine is access.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:56:53 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:56:53 +0000 linkquote
Touring300 wrote:
The first thing I check on when I visit MV
is this thread. I think fledermaus has it nailed thanks to the professional guidance of these qualified scooter mechanics.
Teamwork! I'm just the pretty face.
Fri, 18 Nov 2022 23:09:13 +0000

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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 23:09:13 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
Thank you for the on going entertainment and education.
I will be earnestly looking for the sequel in a dramatic Brazilian twist of fate:

Altered lives, baffling mechanical mysteries, shocking revelations, unspeakable trauma, these are the stories of Dave's top heaad gasket replacement
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:23:05 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:23:05 +0000 linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Thanks guys. Had me nervous for a second there greasy!

Got out in the shop this afternoon. Slow progress, especially with the timing...I think I checked the cam gear a good half dozen times. But hey, better than rushing.

At this point I'm ready to install the cam tensioner and should be fitting the cam cover, but erm, someone forgot to order the gasket. On the bright side I should be able to replace that after the engine is installed. Probably be at that on Sunday latest.

Another bit of good news is that while we have snow outside and it didn't break above freezing, workspace was fine and cold wasn't a distraction. Should be good in that department.

So, if you've hung in there this far, I owe you a bit of workshop porn...
I know it's kind of "old man-ish", but I like Dickies coveralls for shop work. One short sleeved set for summer, one long sleeved set for winter. One nice set for dining out.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:28:11 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:28:11 +0000 linkquote
25BIKEZ wrote:
One nice set for dining out.
Classic Grearhead—love it!
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:44:33 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:44:33 +0000 linkquote
Hate to keep everyone waiting. Bit of a setback on the valve cover gasket, but it arrived right on time today. Spent the day away visiting with our kid at college, so no time to wrench. Unfortunately the path is a bit steeper for the next day or two. Day started out at 9 degrees today and made it all the way to 26. Decidedly colder in the garage too. Fortunately it will get back above freezing by Tuesday, when I'll have more time for a serious go at things.

In the meantime I can keep looking for the missing cam adjuster gasket. I know, I've had blessings to reuse the old one, but dammit, it's around here somewhere.

Looking forward to reuniting the body with the motor! I'll only rest when she fires up though....


My view out the window this morning

Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:39:43 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:39:43 +0000 linkquote
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Day started out at 9 degrees today and made it all the way to 26. Decidedly colder in the garage too. Fortunately it will get back above freezing by Tuesday,
And people choose to live there??
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:59:10 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:59:10 +0000 linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
I've got to admit it's been a fairly enjoyable project, at least the sense of accomplishment outweighs the aggravations.
I would tap wood and hold off on talk about how "enjoyable" this was until it starts when you hit the starter button.

Bill
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:15:00 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:15:00 +0000 linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I would tap wood and hold off on talk about how "enjoyable" this was until it starts when you hit the starter button.

Bill
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:08:16 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:08:16 +0000 linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I would tap wood and hold off on talk about how "enjoyable" this was until it starts when you hit the starter button.
Where's your trust, Bill?

Reminds me when I was flying my parents back from visiting my sister decades back. Flying a small Cessna off of a short grass runway I purposefully took off without full tanks. Calculations gave me enough fuel to make it back to Oshkosh. I started seriously doubting myself while watching the fuel indicators dip, and that escalated when I was asked to wait for a larger plane to land. After landing I told my dad (who'd also flown), who responded something like "We had no doubt about you." And seriously questioned his judgement...

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 15:10:06 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
And people choose to live there??
I'm just here for the crunchy snow.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:53:53 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:53:53 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
And people choose to live there??
🛵 💨 as soon as this World Cup game ends.


It's a rough life

Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:19:34 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:19:34 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
And people choose to live there??
And just when was the last time he had to worry about some hurricane blowing his house over to the next county or some sink hole swallowing it while he was at work?
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:03:09 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:03:09 +0000 linkquote
kshansen wrote:
And just when was the last time he had to worry about some hurricane blowing his house over to the next county or some sink hole swallowing it while he was at work?
Good point.

I took my car down to loan to my friend on this street after Ian. She had had 3 feet of water in her house and her car.

Now, back to the ice garage.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:53:48 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:53:48 +0000 linkquote
lostboater wrote:
Now, back to the ice garage.
Yessir! [salutes crisply]

Well, due to the enthusiasm here, and aiming to please, I ventured out to the garage sans mukluks (I filled the bird feeders barefoot earlier just to reaffirm to my wife that I am, indeed crazy), it didn't feel that bad, so decided to poke around a bit. I'd given up finding the gasket for the chain tensioner, put a thin layer of liquid gasket over the old gasket and torqued things down.

Set the valve clearances (does everyone else have this feeling they don't really know what they're doing? (greasy excepted). I probably checked and adjusted 3 times, but probably had it right the first time. Got a bit of oil in the wells on the valve rockers per Robot, replaced the valve cover and torqued that down.

The instructions I'd followed had me remove the exhaust at the header, in hindsight not sure it was necessary, but first time I'd done it and had seen people having problems from corrosion, so why not? Anyway, as things came apart while removing it (either was clamped too loosely or graphite is *that* slippery) thought it easiest to just loosely reinstall it while it was on the bench while I could see what I was doing. I'm pretty sure I'd read that anti-seize was a good idea for future disassembly so I used a dab on each stud. Did I get that right? Plug needs to be torqued and the wheel attached. And, Fudmucker, I found a dowel.

Soo, time for some leisure and warming up...surprisingly fingers didn't suffer much but legs were feeling chilly... Tomorrow night I can have my able assistant watch/help me struggle with returning the engine to the frame, and then it's the slow and (un)steady reconnecting wires and hoses. With any luck, should be done this week.



Checking valves with my dad's 70+ y.o. gauges for good luck


Buttoned up, almost ready for the reunion

Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:02:16 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:02:16 +0000 linkquote
fledermaus wrote:
Set the valve clearances (does everyone else have this feeling they don't really know what they're doing? (greasy excepted). I probably checked and adjusted 3 times, but probably had it right the first time
nah, I do the same and check them like three times too. the little voices are in my head too!
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The instructions I'd followed had me remove the exhaust at the header, in hindsight not sure it was necessary, but first time I'd done it and had seen people having problems from corrosion, so why not? Anyway, as things came apart while removing it (either was clamped too loosely or graphite is *that* slippery) thought it easiest to just loosely reinstall it while it was on the bench while I could see what I was doing. I'm pretty sure I'd read that anti-seize was a good idea for future disassembly so I used a dab on each stud. Did I get that right? Plug needs to be torqued and the wheel attached. And, Fudmucker, I found a dowel.
personally, I like to remove the exhaust entirely to pull and reinstall the motor. that way I don't have the exhaust manifold impeding impeding my line of vision or having to work around it and the swing arm mount.

dab of anti-seize on the exhaust nuts is always a good idea! as well as the collar clamp!

you're well on your way though! good job!
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:27:36 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:27:36 +0000 linkquote
My goal for tonight was to reunite the engine with the body. I have the day tomorrow, but having my able assistant (Mrs. F) home tonight as an extra hand was reassuring. Unfortunately someone got sleepy and nodded off for a nap when I was ready to go.

I just said heck with it and went out alone. It turned out fine. One of the challenges is the narrow rail on my lift which requires a cross piece to support the stand which makes things a bit less stable than a wide top, but it was workable.

I originally intended to install the spark plug on the bench, but of course forgot, so took a moment to get that done. Got the engine lifted and aligned fairly easily - not bad for an old guy. The bolt slipped in easily at first. The spacer was a bit fiddly, but I used the dowel from the opposite side to help align which worked well. Torqued it up and called it a night.


Together again...

Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:58:59 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:58:59 +0000 linkquote
With temps in the 40s this week you should be able to give it a test ride!
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:17:57 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:17:57 +0000 linkquote
excellent work! getting close to the finish line!
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:29:27 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:29:27 +0000 linkquote
kmev wrote:
With temps in the 40s this week you should be able to give it a test ride!
Passed my mind.
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 04:15:43 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 04:15:43 +0000 linkquote
Well done!, and all without the help of Mrs. F 👏
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:07:47 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:07:47 +0000 linkquote
Excellent job 👍 I would say "if it starts" but with your talent that is not in question.

Also, wish I had know about the dole trick for aligning. Would have saved some aggravation.
Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:54:07 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:54:07 +0000 linkquote
Got out in the shop this morning...things were proceeding apace until I got to the spark plug cap. It would NOT snap on. After a bit of head-scratching, I realized that the old plug had the screw removed from the top, which I'd neglected to do. If you've been following the thread, you'll also remember that I'd intended to tighten the plug on the benchtop and forgot. So now it's the plug. Anyway, wrestled around getting the plug out, then realized that it has a non-removable tip. Odd, as I'd bought it as a replacement with other parts. Does anyone have any info on that? (Plug's an NGK CR8EKB). Guessing that there's some application that uses the thicker top. Anyway, I seem to have been ordering them faster than using them, so I have a suitable replacement anyway.

I only think I have big hands when I hold them up to another persons....or try to cram them between the frame and engine. One of the unexpected advantages of wearing gloves is pretty much eliminating the blood that otherwise accompanies spark plug changes.

So, back at it from my dentist and lunch break. In the meantime you can break into the"sure it will start" and "naw, he did somethin' stupid for sure" camps.


The uncompromising plug

Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:55:02 +0000

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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:55:02 +0000 linkquote
That is the right plug - the screw-on tip of the old one must be left inside the cap.
Wed, 23 Nov 2022 00:05:35 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed, 23 Nov 2022 00:05:35 +0000 linkquote
Well, the day is over. But something to show for it at least. The good news is everything is pretty much back where it came from, still have shocks to attach, swingarm and exhaust as well as fluids to add, but didn't quite think I'd get there. Did think I'd have more down time, but hey....

There was a lot of forward and backward. Got the throttle body back, then realized the positive starter cable couldn't be accessed, so removed it to get room to get the nut on there, reattached, then remembered the fuel hose was supposed to be UNDER it, so one more round.

Two problems at the moment. One is I think a belt cover bolt is stripped-the one with the water hose clamp attached. I was tightening up the bolts, which I usually do by feel, then thought I should compare with the torque wrench....I'd been definitely under recommended torque. I got to that one, which was still a bit loose, and the bolt snugged to a point and never got tighter. Weird, as it certainly wasn't overtightened this round, and I'd apparently been easy on the bolts if anything. My understanding is that missing a bolt isn't a big deal, but as it holds a bracket, would be nice to have a functional bolt there.

The other problem is a surplus nut. I'd been pretty careful on removal, and had an envelope which supposedly held hardware from the wires to the starter....used the bolt for the ground and grabbed a nut for the positive, but there was one left. This one has an integral washer which spins on the nut. Were there supposed to be two? I couldn't see anything loose or available bolts that I missed. Edit: Wondering if two nuts were stacked on the terminal? Guess I should get a look at a parts diagram...

Other that that it went well. Took way longer than it should for someone who knows what they're doing (not me), lots of breaks to review Robot's video which I'd been following, but at least I wasn't standing around flummoxed for long periods of time.

My goal is to hit the starter by Friday, if not tomorrow night. Looks like a run for coolant is in order for one thing.....





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Wed, 23 Nov 2022 00:07:34 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
Joined: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:46:39 +0000
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2007 LX150 2015 GTS 2013 BV 350
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Wed, 23 Nov 2022 00:07:34 +0000 linkquote
jimc wrote:
That is the right plug - the screw-on tip of the old one must be left inside the cap.
Hmm...thought about that, and attempted to reattach if possible, but didn't have any luck. May fiddle with it again, but as I do have one with a removable top, may take the easy way out if nothing else works. Guessing there's a new cap in my future....
Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:15:38 +0000

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Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:15:38 +0000 linkquote
Where is the 🍿?
   

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