Sat, 05 Nov 2022 00:25:23 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 00:25:23 +0000 linkquote
Hi all MP3 lovers, I recently came across a video on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx3oXRB2V1w of a Kit made in Spain (https://www.facebook.com/Lucesdemoto) that allows both lights turn on simultaneously, high and low. An interesting thing, for people who live in countries where vehicle inspections must be done, it comes with a switch so that it works as it comes from the factory (for inspection) or dually.

It seems to me that they use H4 bulbs with an adapter (not 100% sure about that) plus wiring and mounting tools.

I would like to hear your opinions:
1. I don't know if the MP3 screens are designed for H4 bulbs
2. I don't know if the additional consumption can cause problems (55W vs 110W combined in low or 120W combined in high)
3. I don't know if there will be any extra consideration to take into account?

Thanks for your opinions
Sat, 05 Nov 2022 18:19:14 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 18:19:14 +0000 linkquote
Today I talked to Ramón, the person in Spain who makes the kits (basically for any scooter with 2 headlights).

He does indeed use H4 bulbs, but he places an H7 base on the bulb itself so they can go in without problems and stay in the correct position https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tci7rGFYu3M.

Everything sounds great, the only thing (I haven't gotten more things) that worries me is the additional stress to the electrical system, I don't know if I should worry about that?

Comments and opinions are welcome
Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:26:15 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:26:15 +0000 linkquote
Running 2 halogen lights at the same time is asking a lot from the little Piaggio electrical charging system.

Let's do the math here.

1 60Watt bulb/12Volt = 5Amps per bulb. Now multiply by 2 (2 bulbs) and you end up with a constant draw of about 10AMP that must delivered at all times including idle and low rev conditions.

If this was with LED, then yes this would pose no stress whatsoever.

However, I would stay away from having both bulbs illuminated simultaneously.

If Piaggio felt the electrical system could handle the load of driving 2 lamps at the same time they would have designed it that way.
Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:26:43 +0000

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Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:26:43 +0000 linkquote
dariusz wrote:
Hi all MP3 lovers, I recently came across a video on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx3oXRB2V1w of a Kit made in Spain (https://www.facebook.com/Lucesdemoto) that allows both lights turn on simultaneously, high and low. An interesting thing, for people who live in countries where vehicle inspections must be done, it comes with a switch so that it works as it comes from the factory (for inspection) or dually.

It seems to me that they use H4 bulbs with an adapter (not 100% sure about that) plus wiring and mounting tools.

I would like to hear your opinions:
1. I don't know if the MP3 screens are designed for H4 bulbs
2. I don't know if the additional consumption can cause problems (55W vs 110W combined in low or 120W combined in high)
3. I don't know if there will be any extra consideration to take into account?

Thanks for your opinions
I don't know how different your 500 is from the older Fuoco, but for that it was very simple just to remove one spring from the hi-lo-passing switch to enable all four to be on at once. Alternatively (and IMHO a better solution) do a tiny bit of re-wiring. See these pictures and the PDFs:
https://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/bothlamps/
https://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/bothlamps/instr/
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:51:51 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:51:51 +0000 linkquote
sbaert wrote:
Running 2 halogen lights at the same time is asking a lot from the little Piaggio electrical charging system.

Let's do the math here.

1 60Watt bulb/12Volt = 5Amps per bulb. Now multiply by 2 (2 bulbs) and you end up with a constant draw of about 10AMP that must delivered at all times including idle and low rev conditions.

If this was with LED, then yes this would pose no stress whatsoever.

However, I would stay away from having both bulbs illuminated simultaneously.

If Piaggio felt the electrical system could handle the load of driving 2 lamps at the same time they would have designed it that way.
Do you know the specifications of the Piaggio charging electrical system?
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:18:48 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:18:48 +0000 linkquote
What sort of specifications are you looking for?

Keep in mind that the MP3 only uses a basic little stator and regulator as a charging system. In other words, it can only put out a very limited quantity. If you add another 5Amp to the system draw then that will come at the cost of the system overhead which there is very little of. This can lead to the battery not getting recharged sufficiently and slowly drawing down since the system cannot keep up.

I wouldn't feel comfortable wasting 10AMP on a couple of halogen bulbs. More specifically, I replaced the low beam headlight bulb on my MP3 with a specific LED bulb (see my other post) to avoid this very problem and provide far better light out put. As a result, the bike is now capable of charging the battery while at idle or low revs which before it couldn't do.

The MP3 charging system holds a candle compared to a true motorcycle such as my Honda PanEuropean/ST1300 which uses a 55amp alternator in the same style as a car.
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:35:08 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:35:08 +0000 linkquote
The 500 has easily enough spare current capacity to run not only the extra two lights but also heated grips and still charge the battery just fine. At least my original Fuoco did back in the day.



Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:48:03 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:48:03 +0000 linkquote
jimc wrote:
The 500 has easily enough spare current capacity to run not only the extra two lights but also heated grips and still charge the battery just fine. At least my original Fuoco did back in the day.
That's a good point.

Heated grips I can find some specs:
Quote:
Each grip requires 2.1 amps or 28 to 30 Watts, so practically speaking the total draw should be around 60 Watts for both sides
Piaggio sells some leg cover heating elements too, that maybe need some as 2-3 amps?

Now I have more doubts
Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:50:08 +0000

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Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:50:08 +0000 linkquote
sbaert wrote:
What sort of specifications are you looking for?
Any kind of generators have a min-max power specs and helps if we know how much is the actual consumption in a standard one.
Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:14 +0000

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Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:14 +0000 linkquote
i ve a how to placed here somewhere how to convert it

You need 2 H4 4" universal headunits mostly used on Caferacers

But i've updated my install by gluing the new h4 mirrors/reflectors in to the older H1/H7 mirrors/reflectors

And don't believe the BS people tell you about not enough amps and stuff

the older USA 500 and EU Fuoco does have 4x H8 55 watts same platform different skin
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:17:54 +0000

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Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:17:54 +0000 linkquote
Maksor wrote:
i ve a how to placed here somewhere how to convert it

You need 2 H4 4" universal headunits mostly used on Caferacers

But i've updated my install by gluing the new h4 mirrors/reflectors in to the older H1/H7 mirrors/reflectors

And don't believe the BS people tell you about not enough amps and stuff

the older USA 500 and EU Fuoco does have 4x H8 55 watts same platform different skin
Good advice. Thank you

The Kit that I find, the person that do it, include a kind of H7 bases that "insert" by pressure in H4 bulbs so no modification to the reflectors.
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:50:42 +0000

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Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:50:42 +0000 linkquote
If power draw really was a concern you could also just switch to LED bulbs... then your two bulbs powered at the same time would still be less draw than your single incandescent bulb prior to the mod.
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:37:18 +0000

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Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:37:18 +0000 linkquote
Well iff you Press H4 bulbs in to a H7 mirror/reflector you will blind oncoming traffic

who will put on there highbeams so you would blind your self

also because the Left reflector is a Highbeam and the Right side one a low beam by using 4" reflectors for H4 glue them in you wont blind oncoming traffic and wil be able to set both light at the right height
Tue, 08 Nov 2022 20:07:59 +0000

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Tue, 08 Nov 2022 20:07:59 +0000 linkquote
Maksor wrote:
Well iff you Press H4 bulbs in to a H7 mirror/reflector you will blind oncoming traffic

who will put on there highbeams so you would blind your self

also because the Left reflector is a Highbeam and the Right side one a low beam by using 4" reflectors for H4 glue them in you wont blind oncoming traffic and wil be able to set both light at the right height
Maksor, my MP3 is not a fuoco, so no idea how to put a 4" H4 reflector inside.

I think the secret in my case is in what direction are pointed the light filaments of the H4, if high is pointing down and low point up the effect is that low is down and high goes up, or that is the person in Spain explain to me about the H7 rings put in h4 bulbs, after I ask about if is needed to re-align the reflectors after the installation. A good example is that this person T-Max pass the ITV (Spain vehicle test that allows to circulate in the streets) 3 months ago with the double installation.

Right now I'm not sure about nothing ha ha ha
Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:59:24 +0000

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Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:59:24 +0000 linkquote
4 lights in a 400 unit or Duo high and low beam (solved)

H4 Bulbs version II

Take the unit out and remove the glass its click in and hold in with Kit

Take out Reflectors glue in new reflectors place them back
Purple = Highbeam
Brown = Lowbeam
Yellow = parking / sidemarkers
Black = Ground
   

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