Modern Vespa

Does anyone have a tip for reinserting the spring/c-clip (#4)?
It's a real son of a gun after removing.
#oops

I have changed out a few of these ignitions.

That clip is a bit of a pain, but I have managed each time.

I suggest looking at it along with the slots.

Once you figure it out, it becomes logical and easy.

Bill

Thank you Bill,
Could you elaborate? Slots? Do you mean opening in the metal shaft?

Oops, The #2 clip is the part I was thinking about.

I don't recall having to deal with that #4 spring.

Piece of cake.

Still can't get it in. Please any help/tutorial would be appreciated.

There's a scooterwest tutorial on replacing the lock which might help you...

Yes, I've seen it and the relevant part is at 4:24 ish however he never explains how to put the clip back in if removed
But thank you.

Perhaps try lining up the barrel by inserting a needle into each of the holes?

It's actually not me doing it but my mechanic (but I'm helping) so the visual isn't clear to me on a micro level. But sounds like a good suggestion. Will that leave enough room for the each side of the clip?

Very similar. But this makes it look easy.😅
At 1:30

Probably not. I think perseverance is the answer. Maybe a second person will help, one holding and ready to insert the spring clip whilst the other sights the alignment.

Hopefully this helps use one of these to help put pin in. ( Couldn't find a straight one, joys of lending tools) or a thin screw driver.
pics below
put right hand side of pin just in slot (green arrow)
Then with pick put in left side into slot ( red arrow)
also keep a slight finger pressure on top of clip ( yellow arrow)
Push home once both sides of clips inserted but dont force it.
Then insert key barrel whilst pulling up clip very slightly till the ring around end of key lock clicks in.
Can be a right pain in the butt, but eventually it will go.
Good luck Nancy

Sorry can't upload picture of barrel for some reason. But hopefully that helps

Oh wow! This is really great of you! Thank you!!

Too bad you have to put it in through the slot while in the metal barrel. That's what's causing the grief!!

Thank and Yes it is indeed a pain when still on the bike but the garage across the road let me use their ramp and stuff when they finished for the day which is good even gave me a key so can use it anytime. Brilliant with the wet Welsh weather we have here in Ceredigion. I'm sure we have lots of different word's for various types of rain in Welsh like the Intuit's do for snow.

Well, I got in somewhere? When rotating the key I can see the pins up!? Something tells me that isn't right!

If that's the top of the slot the pin is upside down

Superb.😩
So I now need to figure how to take it out.

Does the barrel stay in place and turn ok Nancy?

Seems to. But honestly it went in awfully easy. So I imagine it's wrong.

You know part number 25 will be the last one for you to install. It just clicks on once the whole shebang is in place.

Which is exactly what I think I did wrong. I used it as a guide.

Maybe worth trying to see if it works like that for a test.

Have a looksy

I think we have success!!

No, because that clip is what holds the tumblers in. On the tumbler, you will see the grooves where it's supposed to go.
First step to installing this is to have at least two on hand. And don't make whatever mistake you made trying to install the first one that caused it to fly off more than once.
Clip the green plastic thing onto the end of the tube. That's what gives you resistance while you push the tumbler in, so you can hold it in place and put in the staple looking clip.
Put the key in the tumbler, and insert 'the tumbler into the round thing with the words on it, then press it into the tube, so the end of the tumbler goes where it's supposed to, which is evident by the shape of the end of the tumbler and what you're trying to put it in.
Then, push it in until you can see the place to insert the clip that looks like a staple.
I have used a set of needlenose pliers that are very long and skinny with some success to get it started. Usually it's easier to get it started on one side, then use the needlenose pliers to open the clip slightly and get the other side started. Once you have them both where they are supposed to be, push down on the staple clip with a finger. Then push it again down into the slot with a screwdriver.

I've dropped a bunch of them, and having at least one extra prevents taking the glovebox and floor off to find it. The first time you have to remove the floor, you will get them, and often a surprising amount of screws and fasteners, back.

Outstanding (and entertaining) guidance. Thank you. See pics above. Think we got it.

You haven't posted any photos that would suggest you got it. Unless you are planning to remove the clip again, the photos indicate that you figured out where it goes, but not what it does.

I did, above. Here is the link to the post. https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2583563#2583563

Is anything missing? What is the very last thing you put in when you replace the ignition key tumbler? After you put in the silver thing where the key goes and the round thing with words on it? It's shaped sort of like a staple and you can see it in these photos someone was nice enough to post.
https://modernvespa.com/forum/post2583563#2583563

You will need to fish it out again if your intent is to be able to turn your scooter on and off with a key. But as is, you can use a screwdriver with an immobilizer chip.

I don't know what you're getting at, but the key is turning, stiffening and starting perfectly now.

The issue we were struggling with is the clip in the second picture.

If you put the key in the tumbler, push down slightly and pull the key back, what happens?

A simple version. Put the key in the tumbler at the 12:00 position insert the tumbler and then deal with the clip in question.

I presume all is good now Nancy?

No nothing is resolved. That circlip holds the tumbler in place. Like it's been said before with a tumbler in your hand place the key do not turn and at the 12:00 position drive it home and then insert the clip. That clip holds the tumbler in place.

I pull the clip up 1/8 to 1/4 inch, push the tumbler is the clip. The clip sometimes drops into place or just a slight push to seat the clip.

John

Yup! Key rotates, stiffen, and starts perfectly. Huge thanks to all.
However Max6200 has said the image shows I've done something incorrect? The clip/pins appear and feel correct so I'm unclear what Max6200 sees as incorrect?

Your tumbler may just pop out. It is not secured
by the circlip in question

Good luck

Why isn't it secured? That's the point of the clip, isn't it?