Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:03 am

Hooked
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Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:03 am linkquote
Hey everyone its been actually some years since I last posted anything on this forum, I hope everyone is okay and well

Since my last postings on this forum I have been building an SS90 Replica which has been fun and scary at the same time, I have always hated the idea of cutting any vehicle frame let alone a classic Vespa,

I know some of you will say I am stupid for cutting but its done now so no going back

The motor I do however need some tech advice on please I have used the best Independent Vespa Mech in South Africa for tuned motors but he is still having a small issue maybe someone can assist with in terms of a flat spot in the Rev range and a spike in CHT in this flat spot at higher Revs (Tony will respond and explain more for me please can someone give us some advice)

motor build as follows,

Racing Crankshaft Mazzucchlli Race
PHBL25B Malossi reed valve kit
DRT Sport Clutch 393.211
DRT Sport Gearbox 29/68 (2.34)
SIP VAPE Sport Ignition
VSP Road race exhaust
Racing Polini Cylinder GS 130cc by Worb5

the bike feels very strong for the small cc. but cant really tell as I have not yet really ridden very hard.

I know there are a few small things that are not perfect and they already bother me on the frame build BUT in my opinion I am happy with the overall outcome of this build.



























Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:57 am

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Posts: 12200
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:57 am linkquote
while you didn't say what your port timings were, or the inlet timing is, or if it's barrel or case inducted the thing that sticks out to me immediately is that seems like an awfully small carb for such a racy pipe.

I'd be looking there and at my port timing to make sure it's complimentary to the pipe.
Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:43 am

Hooked
Enough for the wife to tell me to slow down
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 348
Location: Johannesburg
 
Hooked
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Location: Johannesburg
Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:43 am linkquote
Thank you for the very prompt response, to be totally honest I dont know the timings Tony will have to respond to that, but I believe its as it was bought from SIP as a worb5 tuned kit.

do you really think the carb might be too small though I have got a PHBL 28 here at the office we can try but I took this pipe because it was the "Road" Version not sport
Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:36 am

Molto Verboso
PX 200
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Molto Verboso
PX 200
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Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:36 am linkquote
What jetting is in the carb at the moment?
Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:26 pm

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:26 pm linkquote
I guess I'm in the never cut camp, but it's your scoot and it's nice work with excellent results. People often maul stuff when they modify it and you obviously didn't.
Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:06 pm

Hooked
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Location: Johannesburg
 
Hooked
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Location: Johannesburg
Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:06 pm linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
I guess I'm in the never cut camp, but it's your scoot and it's nice work with excellent results. People often maul stuff when they modify it and you obviously didn't.
All my life I was a never cut person and even now with this cut job i felt that I did the bike a disservice but at the same time I really like the outcome so difficult situation for me.
Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:57 am

Molto Verboso
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Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:57 am linkquote
themod1 wrote:
All my life I was a never cut person and even now with this cut job i felt that I did the bike a disservice but at the same time I really like the outcome so difficult situation for me.
I think it looks great. It's a scooter, not a monument to Italian engineering. Maybe if it was the last one on earth.
Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:14 am

Hooked
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Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:14 am linkquote
Nice scoot. What model frame did you start with?

I have pretty much that exact bike/setup. I bought it already cut down, so I didn't have to make that difficult decision. I also swapped out the VSP road for a banana pipe.

I'm still coming up to speed on tuning, so I don't think I can help you out there. It's running pretty well at the moment, but a pro setup all the port timings before I bought it.
Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:01 am

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Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:01 am linkquote
Hey guys, Tony here

OK so port timings as well as crank timings are stock, as we got it.

The intake is a malossi Reed valve intake, yet the rotary vane is still intact and functioning. The best I can get her is running without the Reed valve at all, and relying on the rotary vane for intake timing. The Reed valve robs plenty power by opening later on than the rotary vane yet the rotary still shutting early as far as I can tell.

The carb is a malossi tuned phbl25, currently sitting on a 110 main. Our elevation is a rather high 1750m so we often don't need massive jets in our builds. I also felt like the pipe may be too big for this, as it pulls well up to about 6500rpm, and then hits what feels like a 4 stroking wall. If you hold throttle open and push through this for approx 500 rpm, it pulls like a stabbed rat up to just under 10k rpm. You can keep it in this upper powerband with the gearing that has been used, and it does stay cold here, but under the 6500rpm and while trying to push through it the motor heats up fast.

Ignition timing has been set up about 5deg either way from where it is now, currently starting up at 23 and dropping down to about 14deg high up.
Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:29 am

Molto Verboso
PX 200
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Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:29 am linkquote
Never heard of anyone be able to keep the rotary working with a Reed setup.

Surely can't work properly.

The rotary crank must stifle the reeds?

I only imagine it could work with a bell shaped crank?

What's the rest of the carb jetting?

Atomiser and needle?
Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:03 am

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Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:03 am linkquote
That's what i think too. You can either run a smaller motor on a rotary setup with a straight intake manifold, or a large setup with a proper crank and big flowed openings for Reed valve.

Can't remember where I got to last time on the carb setup, will check next time I open up
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