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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:40:58 +0000 linkquote
Hi All

I am 48. I rode an ET4 from my mid 20's until my early 40's. I took a 5 year break from riding before I was jonesing again and went and last March got my GTS. When I had my ET4 it wouldn't even cross my mind to ride in the winter, I just kept it covered in garage for months and that was it. I have always worn a 3/4 helmet.

I recently made the change to a full face helmet and have been layering up in the cold and learned that (I am also a skier so I love the cold) very much enjoy riding in the cold weather as long as I have the appropriate gear on.

I am in NY and it has been in the 30's recently and as long as I am layered up I find it dreamy to be scooting around. Almost refreshing.

I am just wondering as it starts to dip below freezing I would imagine it is dangerous to ride correct?? It makes me sad to think about having to put him away for the winter.

Does anyone who is on the east coast ride in the winter months without the worry of skidding out on the ice?
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:11:17 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:11:17 +0000 linkquote
I ride year round and ice in the winter is a concern. Most, if not all, my riding is commuting now, 14 miles each way, so I sorta know the roads now. Water main breaks at night can ice over the road in freezing weather. After a snow that sticks it makes going between large buildings exciting, because all the roads will be thawed but those with the shadows from buildings. I still ride year round though, I just pay extra attention when coming home at night.

A plus when riding in really cold weather? Cars seem to actually notice you because now your'e the only one riding. They also ask you "If its cold" at intersections. Duh, but I'm prepared and out there by choice. I have a car, I just hate driving because its boring.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:24:38 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:24:38 +0000 linkquote
You should read the Scooter in the sticks blog on Steve's site. He rides year around and posts on here frequently.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:35:45 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:35:45 +0000 linkquote
At temps below freezing, invisible black ice can form on the streets. That's enough reason for me to put away the scooter.

On a day in January, the streets were clear of ice and snow -- but I crashed on a patch of loose gravel and broke my ankle. Since then, winter riding is forbidden by SWMBO.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:40:33 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:40:33 +0000 linkquote
Yeah I know I have to put it away soon, just don't want to…….
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:52:00 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:52:00 +0000 linkquote
Go for a drive in the car with the heater off and the windows down, and imagine you're on your scooter.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:02:13 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:02:13 +0000 linkquote
I've ridden from the NYC burbs into lower Manhattan for the past two COVID winters, 26 miles each way, 14k of all-season miles over these 2.5 years. When you're dressed for it, and in reasonable conditions, it's perfectly enjoyable and safe enough, not really different from fall riding. If snow or ice are concerns, those conditions aren't reasonable in my book and I stay the heck off the road.

I do not ride when snow is falling, or forecast, or if the roads are not completely clear and dry. This means I don't ride for a week or more after a snowstorm. I think there were about eight weeks last winter that I didn't ride, but they weren't in a row. I got a few rides in here and there in the dead of winter between snowstorms. A ride down the Hudson Parkway on a sunny winter day is a delight.

Riding on dry pavement that has been salted is OK in my book, but my commuter scooter is by no means a showpiece so if it gets some salt dust on it I don't particularly mind. Riding on wet salted pavement makes a terrible mess and I avoid it as much as possible. But it isn't any more dangerous than summer wet pavement. I do need to be careful when rock salt has been scattered on the road in anticipation of a snowfall - but this is true of gravelly conditions year-round too.

What I'm noticing this season is that NYC traffic has increased substantially, especially midweek, and there have been times that I've been sitting on the scoot realizing that I'd have been better off on the train. (I am the rare NYC rider who doesn't split lanes.) As the weather gets colder I suspect I'll be finding even fewer reasons to ride midweek even in relatively good conditions.

Gear: scooter apron, heated grips, handlebar muffs, USB-powered heated vest, heated seatpad, thick sweater, neck warmer. I bought most of this stuff for under $250 from AliExpress figuring I'd replace anything I liked that broke with better gear. So far, knock on wood…no replacements necessary! The $20 grips have been a particular surprise, although the $25 apron is probably the most warmth for the buck.

I didn't think much of heated gloves, for which I think I spent $50. For the money, winter unheated gloves are far better. As recently as this week, regular riding gloves with muffs and heated grips were more than adequate (high 30's).

Riding saves me about $20 a day over taking the train/subway, and about $60 a day over driving/parking, so it hasn't been difficult to justify fiddling around with this gadgetry.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:30:56 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:30:56 +0000 linkquote
Not east coast but I lived in Breckenridge Colorado and have ridden down to the low 20s. You can get both 4 season and winter tires for your scoot. Primarily from Heudeneau and may have to special order for winter tires. Having said that I don't ride when there is ice in the road if I can possibly avoid it. I don't mind riding in fresh snow that doesn't have ice under it if it isn't too deep or is compacted by traffic. Snow has traction unlike ice.

Unfortunately from our house by late December there would be a section between our house and town that would stay in shade so it would have at least two months of ice so I couldn't ride year round. One night in February I was walking over to catch the bus home about 10pm when I heard the sound of a motorcycle. I walked in the direction of the sound to see a guy on a cafe racer doing laps around the clear and dry drowntown. A few years later at a party I met the guy. He said he just couldn't resist the dry traffic free streets. Note he wasn't speeding just enjoying being out for the first time in months.

Safe or not? Depends on actual road conditions and how you are riding as long as you have good tires.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 18:47:06 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 18:47:06 +0000 linkquote
RocklandDad wrote:
Does anyone who is on the east coast ride in the winter months without the worry of skidding out on the ice?
Ride year round, just not on ice. Simple.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:50:54 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:50:54 +0000 linkquote
I passed my motorcycle test 18 years ago and remember one of the questions from the written part of the test : Question- How much does your stopping distance increase when ice or snow is present ? Answer - up to 10 times . Quite a sobering thought
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:23:36 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:23:36 +0000 linkquote
adri wrote:
Ride year round, just not on ice. Simple.
Same for me. Ice or snow. No way.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:41:02 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:41:02 +0000 linkquote
Same here, year round, but not on ice or if the roads are not completely clear. With the Vespa I also wait until all traces of salt have disappeared.

On motorcycles with knobby tires I have been out in the snow as well.

Winter riding can be a lot of fun. I have done many 150 mile rides at 70 mph in below freezing conditions. At around the three hour mark I have often reached my limit at these temperatures.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:21:54 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:21:54 +0000 linkquote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
At temps below freezing, invisible black ice can form on the streets. That's enough reason for me to put away the scooter.

On a day in January, the streets were clear of ice and snow -- but I crashed on a patch of loose gravel and broke my ankle. Since then, winter riding is forbidden by SWMBO.
I truly think that's the best advice. Once also in January I had an itch to ride the Vespa. The side streets here except for the school bus routes are not treated. I skidded and laid the GT 200 down right outside my driveway 🌦️ I didn't break anything but the scooter took quite a few scratches.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:43:52 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:43:52 +0000 linkquote
Please see my new message about BLACK ICE in Hawaii in 50° weather. It may save your life.
Aloha
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:54:43 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:54:43 +0000 linkquote
Bigdaddy808 wrote:
Please see my new message about BLACK ICE in Hawaii in 50° weather. It may save your life.
Aloha
Any ice I encounter in Hawaii will be in a cocktail on the beach.

This unfortunate scooterist runs into ice wherever they go. Be careful out there folks.
https://thevwmobilebar.gr/?lang=en



Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:14:59 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:14:59 +0000 linkquote
When I'm in need of a ride on my scooter...and the roads may be suspect ...with ice lingering in the shadows for instance - then I'll take a reconnaissance drive in my car first.
If it looks good ....I'm riding!
O.S.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:48:07 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:48:07 +0000 linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
Same for me. Ice or snow. No way.
Me too
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 16:53:49 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 16:53:49 +0000 linkquote
OldSchooot wrote:
When I'm in need of a ride on my scooter...and the roads may be suspect ...with ice lingering in the shadows for instance - then I'll take a reconnaissance drive in my car first.
If it looks good ....I'm riding!
O.S.
I used to do that when some of the mountain passes would open when I lived in Colorado. Since some of them were dirt I'd want to make sure they had their spring grading first. Otherwise runoff ruts could swallow a wheel.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:41:58 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 17:41:58 +0000 linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
Same for me. Ice or snow. No way.
Yeah, I mean... sometimes you just gotta take it in stride.

I got snowed on for half an hour yesterday... not a big deal.

If anything going downtown felt colder when it wasn't snowing then coming back home did when it was snowing. I don't know if the temperature display on the Vespa is accurate, but apparently it was warmer before the snowfall, so I'm guessing it was just because my adrenaline was pumping.



Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:13:34 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 18:13:34 +0000 linkquote
I've ridden in snow. I've slid around in snow. I've low-sided in snow (at an embarrassingly-low speed). So, no snow riding (if I can help it, sometimes you can't), and absolutely nothing on ice. Otherwise I ride, unless it's 0⁰F or lower.

To that end: the only weak point for me up until recently was keeping my hands warm. After Melody got trashed, I vowed that her replacement would have heated grips from the get-go, and Thelonica rolled out of the dealership with Koso Apollo grips in place. Together with handlebar muffs, the digits stay reasonably comfy. I've yet to try out my new Scorpion EXO Optima jacket in deeply-cold weather, but it sure feels toasty down to the upper-40s, so here's hoping.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:37:23 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:37:23 +0000 linkquote
i ride all year, even in snow and ice, BUT, i use snow tires with studds!!!!
and yeah...i dont go full trottle:)
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:00:41 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:00:41 +0000 linkquote
Yellow300GTS wrote:
i ride all year, even in snow and ice, BUT, i use snow tires with studds!!!!
and yeah...i dont go full trottle:)
pls show us pics of your supertech with studded tires in the snow

Here's mine in the snow stupidly without the right tires (but I don't do ice)



Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:05:47 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:05:47 +0000 linkquote
Me too. If there is ice here in St. Pete, I ain't riding.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:08:26 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:08:26 +0000 linkquote
What are you guys using for handlebar muffs? Any recommendations?
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:12:27 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:12:27 +0000 linkquote
adri wrote:
What are you guys using for handlebar muffs? Any recommendations?
I have Piaggio-branded muffs I bought several years back. I noticed there are Vespa-branded muffs that look slightly different, and I might try those to see if the fit is better for the GTS.


Piaggio handlebar muffs, unmounted...


…and mounted on Melody. (Had them on Nica just once so far.)

Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:55:21 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:55:21 +0000 linkquote
Same here.. cold and dry year round any temp. Cold and wet, whether it's snow, rain or ice and I cage it.
JEB[/quote]
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:51:20 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:51:20 +0000 linkquote
I'm a daily commuter rain or shine. Heated grips, tall windshield, tucano urbano bar muffs and thermoscud. No gloves needed till mid 20's. if snow is piled on sidewalks I will not ride. In NYC snow gets thrown in the street that is a really bad surprise. City roads get heavily salted so icing is rare. I dress for the temp of the day, then windbreakers.

John
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 22:47:12 +0000

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Mon, 21 Nov 2022 22:47:12 +0000 linkquote
adri wrote:
Ride year round, just not on ice. Simple.
Agreed. If there's a hint of frost or ice... best not to do it.

Worst is when it gets chilly in the evenings IMO. Managed to spin my car at 20mph on an untreated road - it was fine on the way out, but not on the way back a few hours later. ❄️⛸️

Used to ride year round on my superbike - I just avoided roads/conditions that were risky. 👍

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:26:52 +0000

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Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:26:52 +0000 linkquote
That's brave. I hate riding supersports in the cold. The tires on them typically really NEED to get up to temperature to have any grip and do really poorly in the cold. Way sketchier than any other tires I've taken through winters. Your balls are huge.
   

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