Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:29:37 +0000

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Blue ET4 124
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:29:37 +0000 linkquote
Right, so welcome to the journey that is the moneypit GTS a 2014 matt black 125 vespa GTS I bought with high miles and full service history from a 'reputable' dealer from leeds. So £1000 later I bought this GTS, all seemed fine with light vespa rust issues. But full service history and properly maintained. Turns out the garage charged for work they never did. On my maiden ride from Leeds to London the exhaust fell off and had other issues (if of interest I will create another post about this) anyway after some repairs I was back on the road and have been for the past few months with minor issues cropping up such as sudden failure of headlight switch and head light. All now somewhat repaired. My current fault is with the seat, the manual release cable has snapped and the electric button is not working. The fuel light had come on. I cant seem to get the seat to budge, with out destroying the seat and replacing it, is there any other way to get 'in'

I am starting to see the issues with modern vespas, from my ET to PX I have always had fail safes such as kick starts or being able to wedge a screwdriver if something fails. My GTS lacks any of these features. Battery dies im stuck. Seat fails and low on fuel, im stuck. I guess I need to get my PX frame repaired and go back to 'reliable' two stroke and not put my faith in bargain bucket modern vespas.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:53:28 +0000

Hooked
2007 Vespa 250 GTS
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Location: Nashville, Tn
 
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2007 Vespa 250 GTS
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:53:28 +0000 linkquote
You need to remove the Piaggio emblem on the front of the leg shield. Then you gain access to the seat release button
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 06:26:27 +0000

Hooked
Blue ET4 124
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Location: London
 
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Location: London
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 06:26:27 +0000 linkquote
tonymarchman wrote:
You need to remove the Piaggio emblem on the front of the leg shield. Then you gain access to the seat release button
I tried the manual release in the glovebox but the cable rusted and has now snapped
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:17:15 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
GT 2.4
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Location: NWAOK
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
GT 2.4
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:17:15 +0000 linkquote
It's an 8 year old GTS with high miles that set you back a grand. Over here, you would be lucky if it ran. Even the best technician can't undo miles or time.
I knew a very good independent MBZ mechanic who told me you can't pay less than $5000 for a used Mercedes. It might cost a grand, but by the time you are done fixing it, you're going to sink at least another four in it. This was about 20 years ago, so the numbers probably changed.
There is a price at which you can buy a clean, reliable GTS, and where you live, it's probably more than a grand.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:57:38 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:57:38 +0000 linkquote
What high miles are you talking about? It isn't always about the miles as how well it was taking care of. I work on many different scoots and motorcycles, some are more reliable than others from the get go, but they all need maintenance. Doing research and then getting to know the particular model you have pays off when you do pick up one for cheap. You will know going in what to look for and how to fix it. We all started knowing nothing. The PX is a fine machine, user friendly and easy to work on. Once brought up to top form, it will give you little trouble. But so will the GTS - but it is a more complicated machine with fuel injection and all the things that go with that system. Sorry for you troubles. Best advice I can give is to join a local scooter club with like minded people that help out each other at times like this.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:12:22 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 21:12:22 +0000 linkquote
It's a 125cc GTS. You gotta flog them pretty hard all the time. Whenever you find killer deals on something people want that are 200 miles from home, it's always good to ask why nobody closer bought it. It sounds like the bike is just worn out. Steel exhausts bolts in cast aluminum take metal off the crankcase over time, as you remove and reinstall the pipe.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:15:00 +0000

Molto Verboso
2009 Vespa S50(LX150 motor swap), 2006 Vespa GTS250ie
Joined: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:06:05 +0000
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Location: Toronto, Canada
 
Molto Verboso
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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 22:15:00 +0000 linkquote
Motovista wrote:
It's a 125cc GTS. You gotta flog them pretty hard all the time. Whenever you find killer deals on something people want that are 200 miles from home, it's always good to ask why nobody closer bought it. It sounds like the bike is just worn out. Steel exhausts bolts in cast aluminum take metal off the crankcase over time, as you remove and reinstall the pipe.
Not sure about where you live, but over 200 miles away is nothing and no one, as all of our population is very clustered and typically too entitled to drive 200 miles to look at a scoot. Which is good news for me.

All the bikes I look at/buy typically have just a few thousand km on them and are 10 years old. My 16 year old GTS only needed a voltage regulator and tires to be good as new... but I bought it with only 1,900 km on it (about 1,200 miles) and I paid about $3400 ($2,500 USD).

It sounds like you paid 1/2 of what I paid, but got a GTS with 20x the mileage? Doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

Then again, I just sold a Vespa S150 with 32,000 km, and it was mechanically flawless, so yup, previous maintenance makes a big difference.
Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:42:20 +0000

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Sun, 20 Nov 2022 23:42:20 +0000 linkquote
adri wrote:
Not sure about where you live, but over 200 miles away is nothing and no one, as all of our population is very clustered and typically too entitled to drive 200 miles to look at a scoot. Which is good news for me.

The OP lives in London, a seaside village on a picturesque island off the coast of France, and in the 200 miles between London and Leeds, there are at least a dozen more people than you would find in the same distance pretty much anywhere in Canada.
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 00:07:13 +0000

Hooked
Vespa GTS 250 , Baotian 70cc rat scooter, Yamaha V50M 1979
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Mon, 21 Nov 2022 00:07:13 +0000 linkquote
One Dread wrote:
Right, so welcome to the journey that is the moneypit GTS a 2014 matt black 125 vespa GTS I bought with high miles and full service history from a 'reputable' dealer from leeds. So £1000 later I bought this GTS, all seemed fine with light vespa rust issues. But full service history and properly maintained. Turns out the garage charged for work they never did. On my maiden ride from Leeds to London the exhaust fell off and had other issues (if of interest I will create another post about this) anyway after some repairs I was back on the road and have been for the past few months with minor issues cropping up such as sudden failure of headlight switch and head light. All now somewhat repaired. My current fault is with the seat, the manual release cable has snapped and the electric button is not working. The fuel light had come on. I cant seem to get the seat to budge, with out destroying the seat and replacing it, is there any other way to get 'in'

I am starting to see the issues with modern vespas, from my ET to PX I have always had fail safes such as kick starts or being able to wedge a screwdriver if something fails. My GTS lacks any of these features. Battery dies im stuck. Seat fails and low on fuel, im stuck. I guess I need to get my PX frame repaired and go back to 'reliable' two stroke and not put my faith in bargain bucket modern vespas.
Both my lever and button went on the GTS 250 I got. We used 2 motorcycle tyre levers placed near the rear and pressed down with slow steady force. It popped open and the only damage was the metal pin the lock catches on.
I will take pic tomorrow where we placed them.
BEFORE YOU TRY THIS WAY CHECK THEY THE SAME TYPE OF SEAT LATCH!
Otherwise if not I know of an easier way hopefully.
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 01:40:05 +0000

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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Mon, 21 Nov 2022 01:40:05 +0000 linkquote
When you say the electric opener doesn't work, can you hear it but nothing happens, or is there no sound at all? If the latter, find the electric solenoid, and manually pull the cable that leads from it to the latch. Just tugging it down should do the trick. However, if there's no sound at all...

You should be able to find the manual cable that operates the latch - It's broken, so as you'll have to replace it anyway, find it up under the side cowl (I forget which side on the 125), cut it, cut more back of the outer and pull the remaining inner. This should operate the latch, with nothing more spent on bits than you're going to have to pay anyway.
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 03:44:07 +0000

Molto Verboso
2009 Vespa S50(LX150 motor swap), 2006 Vespa GTS250ie
Joined: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:06:05 +0000
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Location: Toronto, Canada
 
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2009 Vespa S50(LX150 motor swap), 2006 Vespa GTS250ie
Joined: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:06:05 +0000
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Location: Toronto, Canada
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 03:44:07 +0000 linkquote
Motovista wrote:
The OP lives in London, a seaside village on a picturesque island off the coast of France, and in the 200 miles between London and Leeds, there are at least a dozen more people than you would find in the same distance pretty much anywhere in Canada.
Whut?
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 05:55:07 +0000

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
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GTS 300ie Touring 2013 - Signora D'argento & GTS 300ie HPE 2022 - Regina Arancione.
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Mon, 21 Nov 2022 05:55:07 +0000 linkquote
Motovista wrote:
Steel exhausts bolts in cast aluminum take metal off the crankcase over time, as you remove and reinstall the pipe.
How many times would you be doing this to have a detrimental effect?
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:00:04 +0000

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:59:19 +0000
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:00:04 +0000 linkquote
Touring300 wrote:
How many times would you be doing this to have a detrimental effect?
just once the wrong way.

many many times the right way.
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:50:49 +0000

Hooked
Blue ET4 124
Joined: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:15:24 +0000
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Location: London
 
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Location: London
Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:50:49 +0000 linkquote
jimc wrote:
When you say the electric opener doesn't work, can you hear it but nothing happens, or is there no sound at all? If the latter, find the electric solenoid, and manually pull the cable that leads from it to the latch. Just tugging it down should do the trick. However, if there's no sound at all...

You should be able to find the manual cable that operates the latch - It's broken, so as you'll have to replace it anyway, find it up under the side cowl (I forget which side on the 125), cut it, cut more back of the outer and pull the remaining inner. This should operate the latch, with nothing more spent on bits than you're going to have to pay anyway.
Thanks Jim, ended up giving the cable a tug and now I am in, the solenoid was working but not engaging with the release mechanism, its now permanently open which is fine for now as I only keep the chain under the seat.
   

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