Wed, 23 Nov 2022 22:55:33 +0000

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Wed, 23 Nov 2022 22:55:33 +0000 linkquote
I am arranging to look at a used 2016 Vespa 300 GTV, that I am interested in purchasing. It has fairly low milage but has slight to moderate "tip over" damage on one side. I wish to know if anyone knowledgable about this particular scooter on this forum can advise me of the reliability of this particular Vespa. Also, as I am an older guy moving from BMW motorcycles to scooters (hip issue and can't throw a leg over motorcycles anymore), what does the "Vespa Community" think about these scooters? Are they duds? Are they uncool... please educate me a bit about this scooter! I like it because it has a "vintage" look! I may do a few long distance "tours" on it so I wonder if it is a capable runner on the interstates! Any information you may have regarding this scooter and Vespas in general would be greatly appreciated. Are the worth the cost?
Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:13:18 +0000

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Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:13:18 +0000 linkquote
Whether Vespa GTS or GTV (also Sei Giorni / Sei Giorni II), that is solely up to your taste. Both models are (in the same year) largely identical.

Only ASR and the LED front headlights are included in the GTV only from model year 2023. In the GTS, both are included for years (LED headlights from 2019, ASR from 2014 I think).

Personally, I would try to get a Vespa GTS/GTV with the HPE engine from 2019.

I have personally spoken to many who are switching from a motorcycle to a Vespa (vehicle weight, practical features or health reasons). All of them say that the riding experience is different. Not better or worse, just different. Try it out for yourself. I myself don't ride motorcycles, I just don't enjoy it, I've been riding Vespa for 28 years now, so I can't really judge.
Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:55:28 +0000

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Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:55:28 +0000 linkquote
Engine is the same as the GTS. Generally Vespas when properly maintained are reliable. If you do your own service look at Robot from Scooterwests videos. Some people love the naked handlebars and fender mounted headlight of the GTV. Others prefer the higher headlight. That really is personal preference. The GTV generally costs more than the GTS FWIW. It is one of the original 300 engines so won't have the bells and whistles including ASR and ABS that the newest models have but that may not be important to you.

Vespas have a high smile to miles ratio. Even though I can swing a leg over I sold my last motorcycle 4 years ago and have downsized my gear age to a GTS.
Thu, 24 Nov 2022 06:07:37 +0000

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Thu, 24 Nov 2022 06:07:37 +0000 linkquote
Personally, I prefer the GTS to the GTV.
The GTV headlight is low down and, where I live,
other vehicles tend not to see them as well as the GTS.
Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:41:12 +0000

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Thu, 24 Nov 2022 21:41:12 +0000 linkquote
I find scooter riding to be more convenient, more comfortable and way more fun for the city than motorcycles.

Scooters have way more storage per pound than a motorcycle, plus I no longer have to worry about triple digit speeding tickets, I reckon cops don't think we can break the speed limit, also other drivers seem way friendlier and less threatened by scooters compared to motorcycles.

Recently sold off my Kawasaki Z900RS (and had many sake rockets in my life) because my teenage girls got the riding bug.
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 06:19:03 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 06:19:03 +0000 linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
Personally, I prefer the GTS to the GTV.
The GTV headlight is low down and, where I live,
other vehicles tend not to see them as well as the GTS.
+1
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:49:19 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:49:19 +0000 linkquote
Lskbike wrote:
I am arranging to look at a used 2016 Vespa 300 GTV, that I am interested in purchasing. It has fairly low milage but has slight to moderate "tip over" damage on one side. I wish to know if anyone knowledgable about this particular scooter on this forum can advise me of the reliability of this particular Vespa.
(...)
It has a drive train consisting of a Quasar engine and a CVT transmission.
The Quasar engine was first introduced in 2003 as a 250 (244cc) and since 2008 as a 300 (278cc). In 2019 the Quasar engine was replaced by the new HPE engine.

It has a good reputation. I have the same drive train on my 2012 BV 300.

Unless the present owner drove it without oil you should not have any issues with it.
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:02:15 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:02:15 +0000 linkquote
I have a 2016 GTV 300. It was a sweet ride through 5,800 miles, then I had the full Malossi performance kit installed, which boosted power and top speed - the Malossi kit made a great machine even better. I'm now closing in on 10,000 miles in total. It's a fun, efficient, and practical ride.

The other mods I've made are installing running lights in the front blinkers that automatically come on and an audible blinker module. The always-on running lights help with day and night-time visibility.
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:15:40 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:15:40 +0000 linkquote
As others have commented, the GTS and the GTV (from the same years) are mechanically identical. It is mostly a matter of personal preference. As noted above, the lower headlight on the GTV is an issue for some. Also, there is a very limited selection of windscreens for the GTV compared to the GTS. If you are planning on a windscreen, that may also be an issue.
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:46:37 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:46:37 +0000 linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
As others have commented, the GTS and the GTV (from the same years) are mechanically identical.
although I think this has been true to date, piaggio has broken this pattern with the 2023 GTV which doesn't have the new suspension and brakes that the GTS got
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:49:01 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:49:01 +0000 linkquote
Lskbike wrote:
I am arranging to look at a used 2016 Vespa 300 GTV,
(...)
Also, as I am an older guy moving from BMW motorcycles to scooters (hip issue and can't throw a leg over motorcycles anymore), what does the "Vespa Community" think about these scooters? Are they duds? Are they uncool... please educate me a bit about this scooter! I like it because it has a "vintage" look! I may do a few long distance "tours" on it so I wonder if it is a capable runner on the interstates! Any information you may have regarding this scooter and Vespas in general would be greatly appreciated. Are the worth the cost?
I don't know how it is in the US. But over here in Europe things have changed a lot over the years.

Back in the early 80's a scooter was not done. Then I was driving a 1962 Vespa GS 160.

One day there was a delivery of construction wood at our house and the driver saw the scooter standing in the drive way and said to my mother: "Mam, you know, I am myself a motorcycle man but I would never let my son drive a thing like that. Those small wheels, no balance, they are dangerous. You can best order a coffin today."
Fortunately for me my mother did not forbid me to drive the Vespa.

But that was a bit the image a Vespa had back then.

Nowadays Vespa's are really very popular. They are seen as cool and stylish and the real thing in scooters.
Vespa is by far the best sold motorscooter over here. And also prices for second hand Vespa's are very high.
Fri, 25 Nov 2022 23:39:17 +0000

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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 23:39:17 +0000 linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
although I think this has been true to date, piaggio has broken this pattern with the 2023 GTV which doesn't have the new suspension and brakes that the GTS got
Let's wait until the official info on this point is known. What we currently have is a prototype at a trade show and some photoshopped images... Edit: there is NO official statement from Piaggio/Vespa on this particular point…
Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:18:10 +0000

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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:18:10 +0000 linkquote
GermanGTSDriver wrote:
Let's wait until the official info on this point is known. What we currently have is a prototype at a trade show and some photoshopped images... Edit: there is NO official statement from Piaggio/Vespa on this particular point…
In chatting with AF1 they told me the exact specs for the 2023 GTV are not finalized and it may be a couple months before whether it will have the new suspension or not is known. Heck it didn't get both ASR and ABS equivalent to the GTS until several years after it.
Sat, 26 Nov 2022 20:50:28 +0000

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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 20:50:28 +0000 linkquote
I apparently have missed the deal for the used 2016 GTV. The "owner" never responded to my request to arrange a date and time for me to take a look at it. I actually am enamored with the GTV and may wait until the 2023 GTV model has been finalized. In order to familiarize myself with Vespa, I did visit a Vespa dealer in Cincinnati (Metro Scooters - I have no connection) to take a look at the 2022 scooters they had on the floor. The Salesman was very helpful! As I was leaving, he mentioned that I could actually purchase a a new 2023 Vespa on line and have it shipped to their shop for delivery. Interesting Concept! Has anyone on this forum done this and if so, what are the pros and cons on doing this! How long did it take for delivery?

As a "Lurker" I could not post a respond to all of you that responding to my first posting.... SO I want to thank you all for the excellent info you provided me... a Vespa Newbie!
Sat, 26 Nov 2022 20:57:11 +0000

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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 20:57:11 +0000 linkquote
Lskbike wrote:
I apparently have missed the deal for the used 2016 GTV. The "owner" never responded to my request to arrange a date and time for me to take a look at it. I actually am enamored with the GTV and may wait until the 2023 GTV model has been finalized. In order to familiarize myself with Vespa, I did visit a Vespa dealer in Cincinnati (Metro Scooters - I have no connection) to take a look at the 2022 scooters they had on the floor. The Salesman was very helpful! As I was leaving, he mentioned that I could actually purchase a a new 2023 Vespa on line and have it shipped to their shop for delivery. Interesting Concept! Has anyone on this forum done this and if so, what are the pros and cons on doing this! How long did it take for delivery?

As a "Lurker" I could not post a respond to all of you that responding to my first posting.... SO I want to thank you all for the excellent info you provided me... a Vespa Newbie!
The GTV 300 2023 is expected in the 3rd quarter of 2023 in European trade, all non-European markets are usually 1-2 months later. Then the next season would probably be over... Who buys earlier, has longer fun!
Sun, 27 Nov 2022 02:25:40 +0000

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Sun, 27 Nov 2022 02:25:40 +0000 linkquote
I placed my order for a 2023 White GTS Super Sport at my dealer on Friday. I had previously talked to them about ordering online VS in the shop. They said customers had done it both ways and it made no difference in delivery times. Piaggio says it will arrive within 60 days either way. Reality has been 45 to 105 days from the folks I've talked to who have ordered. Longest was ordered online during shutdown last year. My dealer said expect 60-90.

What I want to know is when the heated seats and grips will be available. Those plus the midsize windshield will be my OEM additions.
Mon, 28 Nov 2022 10:48:08 +0000

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Mon, 28 Nov 2022 10:48:08 +0000 linkquote
Fudmucker wrote:
The GTV headlight is low down and, where I live,
other vehicles tend not to see them as well as the GTS.
Wow, that's a very important statement. The headlight placement of the GTV causes the bike to be not seen as well.

Mind telling us what data you have to demonstrate that GTV's "tend" not to be seen as well "where you live".

If true, it says the GTV I just ordered is less safe.
Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:32:30 +0000

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Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:32:30 +0000 linkquote
Whether the lower headlight on the GTV is "unsafe" or not may be a matter of perception. Many sports cars have their headlights no higher than on an GTV and they aren't deemed "unsafe" for that reason. I'd they were dangerously low they wouldn't be able to import them to the US. They are very picky about lighting on cars in the US. That's why there are ugly pod lights on the 150s and other bikes. Whether with a GTV or GTS you can improve safety by converting turn signals to running lights if yours doesn't already have them. A front triangle of lights has been shown to improve visibility of bikes. Scooterwest makes a plug and play kit while there are also plenty of instructions on how to DIY if you prefer.
Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:18:24 +0000

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Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:18:24 +0000 linkquote
I doubt there is data to show a front fender mounted headlight is less seen by other vehicles.

My Sprint has a handlebar mounted headlight. I installed a headlight modulator on it. Cars "tend to see me better" with the modulating/flashing headlight. I believe that is true but I have zero data to support that belief. I ordered a modulator (kisantech.com) for my Sei Giorni before it arrived. It will be an early addition.
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