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Man, it's hell to get old. Riding in cold weather used to be easy. Now I have to slowly wade into it -- physically and mentally. And shooting video instead of still pictures has added a new wrinkle -- GoPro batteries that fade fast in the cold.

Here's a reflection of my frustrations. Maybe you have the same...

https://youtu.be/MYsJBEyHL-w
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Man, it's hell to get old. Riding in cold weather used to be easy. Now I have to slowly wade into it -- physically and mentally. And shooting video instead of still pictures has added a new wrinkle -- GoPro batteries that fade fast in the cold.

Here's a reflection of my frustrations. Maybe you have the same...

https://youtu.be/MYsJBEyHL-w
All good advice. I would add that bad things happen when you brake. I have seldom riden in Sub-Zero temperatures. When I did I took the approach that I would use the brakes as little as possible and modulate my speed accordingly.
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It's a luxury to get old, a lot of people don't get there!
You sure have plenty of esperience to share!
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The weather guessers had very chilly temperatures (for me) for this trip. I even went out and bought a new jacket with quilted liner. Of course they have now changed their minds. Instead of 60's and below the temp's will now be in the mid to upper 70's and I so wanted to be like Steve.
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It's a luxury to get old, a lot of people don't get there!
You sure have plenty of esperience to share!
I'm grateful (and fortunate) to still be riding. A heart attack 7 years ago while in the ER would have ended me had I been out riding alone in the isolated places I enjoy. Each day now is a little brighter, despite the cold.

I really enjoy making videos. I'm struggling to be a story teller, but the puzzle of production is a good fit for my riding and imagination.
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The weather guessers had very chilly temperatures (for me) for this trip. I even went out and bought a new jacket with quilted liner. Of course they have now changed their minds. Instead of 60's and below the temp's will now be in the mid to upper 70's and I so wanted to be like Steve.
Hah. Be like me. That made me laugh. You are far above, beyond, and ahead of me as a Vespa adventurer. I'm just an enthusiastic amateur in comparison.
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All good advice. I would add that bad things happen when you brake. I have seldom riden in Sub-Zero temperatures. When I did I took the approach that I would use the brakes as little as possible and modulate my speed accordingly.
Good thought Max. I have so thoroughly integrated a different approach to winter riding that the braking has become invisible. But you're right, the decline in available traction, particularly with non-winter tire compounds, requires a more gentle approach to braking. And as you say, a modulation in speed and riding in general.

It's like riding in the rain in terms of the road surface. Well, maybe not that bad, but in that direction.
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Ah, I remember my youthful fantasies of what life was going to be like when I got this old and eased off from the daily grind. I think part of where I went wrong was assuming I'd have a 40 year old body. Then there's the detail that somehow "life" failed to get the memo that I was backing off....
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Hah. Be like me. That made me laugh. You are far above, beyond, and ahead of me as a Vespa adventurer. I'm just an enthusiastic amateur in comparison.
I was referring to "I can ride will below zero......". I can't even live in "well below 67".
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I was referring to "I can ride will below zero......". I can't even live in "well below 67".
I figured as much but I couldn't help but conflate things a bit!

Living where you do has made you cold intolerant. The warm seasons here has done the same to me and it takes some time to adjust. This morning it was 33F and for the first time this season I've noticed a physical and mental adjustment to the cold as I was able to sit comfortably outside in the garden and watch the sunrise.
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Ah, I remember my youthful fantasies of what life was going to be like when I got this old and eased off from the daily grind. I think part of where I went wrong was assuming I'd have a 40 year old body. Then there's the detail that somehow "life" failed to get the memo that I was backing off....
It's sad to realize there's a gulf between our plans and our bodies...
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It's sad to realize there's a gulf between our plans and our bodies...
Had a friend who'd just turned 93. Upon wishing her a Happy Birthdat, she responded, "Ninety-three. Ninety-three. Now when I close my eyes...." That was 25 years ago. I've thought about that a bit since. :
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just want to add that, if you ride in winter, use studded winter tires!!!
and allso, i dont use my front breake that much, i try to do most my breaking with the back breake, so yes...more planning in the driving and more safe speed!
and another thing is...black ice.....
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I actually like winter (or wintah, as it's pronounced here) - but I don't seem to have a liking for riding the scooter once the temps dip into the low 60s (or 50s with the wind chill). I admire those of you who do, but I'd rather be in one of the cars...
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just want to add that, if you ride in winter, use studded winter tires!!!
and allso, i dont use my front breake that much, i try to do most my breaking with the back breake, so yes...more planning in the driving and more safe speed!
and another thing is...black ice.....
I purchased studs for my Heidenau SnoTex tires but never installed them. Those little carbide babies were expensive too. Ended up selling them on eBay because there just isn't enough continual ice and snow on the roads here to warrant them.

There is ice on the road though. I don't remember ever encountering the mythical black ice on the road but certainly have encountered in on untreated driveways, parking lots, and sidewalks. But it does beg the question of how to ride in winter. As you say, the front brake is not an option when there is snow on the road or other slippery stuff. But it still is fine on the dry winter roads.

My big challenge is often the day after a thaw when water is running everywhere. Like the photo below. I have to come to a complete stop, get off the scooter, investigate the ice, and then duck walk across the path that seems best. There are places where I find this a half dozen places in a mile.

Getting older and wiser now, I don't do this as often...
Glare ice on the road after a thaw.
Glare ice on the road after a thaw.
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yes, ice on the road when you see it, then you can adjust...it's worse when you get supprised round the next corner...
i have two complete setts of wheels, one for summer and one for winther.
i think it's ballsy to drive on summer tires on ice!
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I spent 36 years living in Arizona and riding year round. This year we moved to northwestern Nevada. What a change. It's already snowed three times during the month of November. No big accumulation, but I've parked my PTW for a while. It's sad, but I'm looking forward to the start of ski season. I have an unlimited season pass at Diamond Peak ski resort at Lake Tahoe. They open for the season next Saturday. I'm looking forward to a full season of skiing rather than having to make the 800 mile drive from Phoenix once or twice a season.
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... I'm struggling to be a story teller...
I'm sorry to hear it's a struggle. As a fan, I can tell you it appears effortless. For example:
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It's sad to realize there's a gulf between our plans and our bodies.
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yes, ice on the road when you see it, then you can adjust...it's worse when you get supprised round the next corner...
i have two complete setts of wheels, one for summer and one for winther.
i think it's ballsy to drive on summer tires on ice!
Even the winter tires are pretty much worthless on ice. Aside from studs, the only thing you can do is slowly duck walk the scooter and hope your feet don't slide out.
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I'm sorry to hear it's a struggle. As a fan, I can tell you it appears effortless. For example:
I suppose there are moments when the words flow effortlessly, but mostly it's a struggle. I'll leave it at that rather than shine a light on my many character flaws that probably contribute to the chaos...
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I suppose there are moments when the words flow effortlessly, but mostly it's a struggle. I'll leave it at that rather than shine a light on my many character flaws that probably contribute to the chaos...
I going through a not so good stretch of my life. Your words somehow caught my attention.
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Ironically the two scooters, which I would ride in the cold, are both sitting on trickle chargers in the garage. The big scooter battery is done for and will be replaced in the Spring. The GY6 scooter will start with trickle assistance but I would have to go through the annoyance of replacing the floor cover to ride it.

Where's the irony? Both motorcycles are starting just fine and, if my old bones could stand it, would have me rolling down the road anytime. I'll just park myself in the house till Spring and warmer weather comes.
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Winter is in full force here in the Reno/Tahoe area. Rather then get down about not riding I'm going to embrace it fully. Last Tuesday was my first skiing adventure of the season.
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Winter is in full force here in the Reno/Tahoe area. Rather then get down about not riding I'm going to embrace it fully. Last Tuesday was my first skiing adventure of the season.
Do you go on the black diamonds?
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Do you go on the black diamonds?
Absolutely! At my age, I'm more careful than I used to be, but I love the really steep runs.
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I'm guessing your WRX is AWD?
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I'm guessing your WRX is AWD?
Yes. AWD + Snow/Ice tires. The WRX is a performance model and typically comes with summer performance tires. They are completely useless on snow/ice so I have a set of winter tire/wheels for the colder time of year.
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My son has an older 2008 WRX. AWD as well, it is an amazing car. Before this one he owned a BMWZ4 and a Nissan 350Z, both totaled and neither his fault. The WRX holds the road, handles better, and is quicker then both of them.
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