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Look great !!!

Are the louvers fonctionnal ? I see you still have the bellow for your carb, so I'm wondering what they do ?
Shouldn't they be the other way round ? Then they would work as heat extractor, not letting dust or water inside the cowl.
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Something new for me. But I can't find where to download this app. Can you share some link if you have?
It's an older tool, but one which was never really replaced. SIP had an iPhone app called MicroDyno, but I don't have an iPhone so I don't know the current state of that. GSFDyno has always kind've been the Gold Standard, even if it can be a tricky/tempermental app to use effectively--just like a vintage Vespa! Laughing emoticon .

There was a thread a few years ago discussing use of the app: Tips on using GSF Dyno

The download link/page seems to be gone, but I was able to get it out of the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20160329072837/http://kodija.de/tom/GDSetupE.exe. If that one goes away (which I doubt, but...), I'll share my copy.
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roland87 really enjoyed watching you dial in your P-range to a hopefully happy conclusion, especially the help you got from Jack221, Ray8, Hibbert etc…etc…etc…

I'd like to shout a massive thank you to yourself & all the blokes on this forum for taking the time & effort to post your, their opinions, knowledge & experience as it truly is informative, enlightening & bloody well helpful - THANK YOU (you have all got me out of the shite on more than one occasion)!

Keep the Faith ✊🏾
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roland87 - I ran a BGM 177, 0.9mm squish, 57mm stroke, (no cylinder work but matched transfers) SIP XL exhaust & I couldn't imagine running it on anything other than 23/65 primary & PX 125 gears, did have it on a dyno a couple of years ago & it was just under 16hp - I live in a pretty hilly city (Sheffield) & on the edge of the Peak District, UK (as the name suggests pretty hilly) I've always found this gearing to be as near to perfect as possible, like Jack221 said with his Malossi, 3rd gear is needed but very rarely. I did try it with a 24/65 primary & although it ran OK it was less sporty so went back to 23/65, much more fun. Hope the information/experience helps!
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ColinBelgium wrote:
Are the louvers fonctionnal ? I see you still have the bellow for your carb, so I'm wondering what they do ?
Shouldn't they be the other way round ? Then they would work as heat extractor, not letting dust or water inside the cowl.
When I decide five years ago to add louvers and holes I thought that it will help with engine cooling. But it seems that it don't To be honest under cowl engine is much cleaner on my P than on my LML 200 4T which have no any holes in cowl.
chandlerman wrote:
It's an older tool, but one which was never really replaced. SIP had an iPhone app called MicroDyno, but I don't have an iPhone so I don't know the current state of that.
Thanks! SIP have no longer have their app. I downloaded GSF by your link. And then realised that I need PC with Windows OS
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roland87 really enjoyed watching you dial in your P-range to a hopefully happy conclusion, especially the help you got from Jack221, Ray8, Hibbert etc…etc…etc…
Thanks Bertrum! You absolutely right!
If it weren't for the help of all the guys, my P would still be a bunch of spare parts scattered around the garage. Or maybe I would even lose the desire to deal with Vespas...
This help is truly priceless! And I can't find words to express my gratitude to all the guys. I would like to hug and shake everyone's hand. And put for everyone a couple of beers...
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roland87 - I ran a BGM 177, 0.9mm squish, 57mm stroke...
Hope the information/experience helps!
Really useful input thank you!
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Thanks! SIP have no longer have their app. I downloaded GSF by your link. And then realised that I need PC with Windows OS
If you have Linux, it'll run under WINE (I've done it). I assume it'll run under Parallels or whatever the MacOS Windows emulator is.

If none of that works, send me your sound file and the input details (temp, gearing, tire, etc.) and I'll generate it for you.
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I made a decision - today I ordered 65T DRT cog, 36T 4th cog and other bits for rebuild my engine.
I'm still little doubt but I hope all will be work nice.

Thanks again all you guys for advices and experience sharing.
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Finally had time for my Vespa.

Engine is out. Third time.
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Not good.
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Engine was almost stripped off yesterday evening.
Head, piston, cylinder and crankshaft all is clogged with gearbox oil(?) clutch side seal looks bad and oil pump drive cog pin have easily noticeable play.

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I wanted to continue work today but due to night russian massive(more than 9 hours)rocket attack now we sitting without electricity, water and warm.

35 strike drones
70 cruise air based missiles
10 aeroballistic missiles
15 ballistics missiles

Most of it was destroyed by our blessed Air Defence Forces. But it was absolutely hell.

Therefore today will be no photos of the disassembled dirty Vespa motor and everything else that we love so much.

This is a photo of the consequences of a missile strike.
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Roland,

Geez! Wha? emoticon The pictures tell a story don't they! Stay safe man! Don't sweat posting pics and take care of yourself. Soon this will all be over and you can resume a normal life again! I can't imagine what you must be going through right now. Even with all this going on in your world, you still can take a Vespa apart and put it back together faster than me!

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Even with all this going on in your world, you still can take a Vespa apart and put it back together faster than me!
Thanks dear! It is maybe because I'm in hurry due to I can't be sure in what all turns out for a next month or a week or even day(like last night).
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Good news here. Our utility service restored power supply a few hours ago. So I went to garage to do at least something.
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DRT 65T cog.
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I'm wondering if single springs in the cushion drive can cause quick wear and damage of steel clutch plates?

DRT double spring on top and original single spring on bottom.
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This steel clutch plates is near only 3000 km old
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Even cracks
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Nice looking.
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Almost done. Just need to flatten rivets more but I can't find my roundhead mallet. I will look tomorrow.
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Now I can confidently say that this is crap. Indian LML crap.
This is how it look after near 4000 km.

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I see you're doing the gear swap after all. What ratio did you decide on? If 23/65 or taller I would recommend a short 36 tooth 4th (from vespa T5) as well.

Looks like you're experiencing what freakmoped calls a "gearbox oil sucker". Gear oil gets sucked around the case half gasket and goes into the crankcase. You will see the part right below the crankshaft; this is where it usually happens. I can see dark gunk there in the pictures so I am fairly sure that this is your problem. Use a rasp or light file to make sure there are no burrs on the edges of the sealing surface (don't go crazy just clean things up), make sure the surface is clean and all the gunk is off. 3M makes a gasket remover bristle wheel that works great, I think it is called a Roloc wheel or something?

He recommends to use "sealing mass" (maybe Hondabond or equivalent?) to stick the gasket to the FLYWHEEL half of the case, and to put some all over the surface on the big half and stick them together. Yes it is easier to put the gasket on the big half over the studs first but apparently when sliding them together, the gasket can very easily shift over that thin spot and cause the gearbox oil sucking; this is the typical cause.

Stay safe brother!
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Thanks Roland! After seeing your scoot with the blinker holes welded up, I'm doing mine that way too. Hang in there.
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I see you're doing the gear swap after all. What ratio did you decide on? If 23/65 or taller I would recommend a short 36 tooth 4th (from vespa T5) as well.

Looks like you're experiencing what freakmoped calls a "gearbox oil sucker". Gear oil gets sucked around the case half gasket and goes into the crankcase. You will see the part right below the crankshaft; this is where it usually happens. I can see dark gunk there in the pictures so I am fairly sure that this is your problem. Use a rasp or light file to make sure there are no burrs on the edges of the sealing surface (don't go crazy just clean things up), make sure the surface is clean and all the gunk is off. 3M makes a gasket remover bristle wheel that works great, I think it is called a Roloc wheel or something?

He recommends to use "sealing mass" (maybe Hondabond or equivalent?) to stick the gasket to the FLYWHEEL half of the case, and to put some all over the surface on the big half and stick them together. Yes it is easier to put the gasket on the big half over the studs first but apparently when sliding them together, the gasket can very easily shift over that thin spot and cause the gearbox oil sucking; this is the typical cause.

Stay safe brother!
Yes Gummy.
23/65 primary with 36T 4th gear cog(already on the shelf).
About oil sucking I thought the same at first. But it turns out that problems was in bad seal(idk when it starts) and oil pump cog pin. Despite I'm not used any sealing mass and put gasket on the big half.
It was my first time rebuild P engine and only after it was done I know about FMP.
This engine runs near 18000km without problems after rebuild so just luck I think
But this time I will do all how it must be.
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Yes Gummy.
23/65 primary with 36T 4th gear cog(already on the shelf).
About oil sucking I thought the same at first. But it turns out that problems was in bad seal(idk when it starts) and oil pump cog pin. Despite I'm not used any sealing mass and put gasket on the big half.
It was my first time rebuild P engine and only after it was done I know about FMP.
This engine runs near 18000km without problems after rebuild so just luck I think
But this time I will do all how it must be.
Roland,

Here is the engine sealing procedure I used. Please note the engine hasn't run yet so I don't know how successful I was . I have my fingers crossed. I do know that it is air tight! As you can see the sealing surface by the kick starter is very narrow and therefore provides the potential for an "Oil Sucker".

This may help you visualize the issue better.

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Thanks for care Hec But now it is not problem for me. As I mentioned above this was my first P engine. It was done in 2019. Since that time I done 14 smallies engines and 4 P engines.
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Little updates.

All internal parts are out and cases cleaned.
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Added some meat around ports
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Just catching up. I see you are taking the plunge with changing the primary gear. This was also recommended to me to make my VMC 187 better suited for higher speed cruising. I would guess that it would make it feel like a 200, but with more pep.

The short 4th seems like a good idea too. When I built my 200 engine, I kept it stock, just to see how it went before making any changes. It also had the oil sucker issue. I followed the FMP instructions. So far, so good.

Nice port work on the case. Looking forward to seeing how your next round of improvements goes.
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I'm very interested how all will go with new primary and short 4th.

Today received package with engine rubber mounts. Removing LML ones was PITA. But it done.
I also put in all bearings, driveshaft with new Piaggio cruciform and input shaft.

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Short 4th in. But.
When I put in cogs it turns out that new 2.4mm spacer is too thick. Same story with old 2.3mm spacer.
All because I measured clearance with old cogs before order new spacer but now I have new 4th gear cog...
It was big luck that in 2019 I ordered new 2.2mm spacer. With it all turns perfect and I got 0.15 clearance.

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Inspired by success with gear box I continued to assembly engine and cases was closed. Very productive day.

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I really likes how speedo looks. Like in old Porsche... But it was not in best shape and works terrible too.
I cleaned it and put new parts.
Hey there! I was wondering how you installed the bezel trim on the speedometer. One restoration book I have says it can be glued on with sealer instead of crimped.

Just wondering how you did it.

Thanks!
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I used Victor Reinz sealant. Worked in two stages:
1. Assembled all inner rings(except lens and outer speedo ring) and put sealant on bottom part of rubber gasket, made pressured it with a clamp and left for 12 hours.
2. Put sealant inside new speedo ring and everywhere where it seems needed to me. Clamp all again for 12 hours.

To be honest it turns out not perfect. In heavy rain there was a little leakage and water gets under the lens.
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Thanks so much!
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Selector box with DRT arm and cylinder back on the places.

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I like the details.
I second that. Those acorn nuts look really cool! Roland your P is definitely one of a kind. I appreciate your originality.
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Clutch is in.
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And engine is ready to back to the chassis. Hope I do it tomorrow.
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I like your work space Roland - very nice!
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I like your work space Roland - very nice!
Thanks! It was nice and cute in the beginning(few years ago) when I have one scooter.
Now when I have three and one or two of customers scooters there is absolutely madness mess inside the garage

With little help of good friend engine back to chassis.
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Cleaned and installed carb case and carb. Not big progress but still good with my lack of time. Now when the engine is in the place it is easier to find 1-2 hours for P. Even after my main job.

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This evening more little steps was done. Mounted and wired CDI, ignition, checked the spark, cylinder cowl, air bellow, throttle and choke cables. Not too much is left.

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It's exactly the same temp right now in Kyiv as where I live (36F).

I was wondering if you were going to risk freezing your nuts off to see how she goes with the new primary.

My guess is yes. I would do the same.

Actually, you have a lot of photos riding in the snow.
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Now is bit warmer but still too wet. Maybe I do short ride or maybe I will wait better weather.
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Yesterday I mount and exhaust. It was absolutely few hours nightmare to get the bolt on swing arm into nut.

Decide try to use force clamp.
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Was so tired and angry that not wiped copper sealant.
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I'm always amazed at how much of a pain fitting exhausts is.

Like... This is one of the least precision parts of a vespa, but they still never want to fit.
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Good progress today.
- new clutch cable
- new gears cables
- fresh gear box oil
- torqued down rear hub nut
- flywheel cover
- air filter
- carburettor cover
- gear selector cover
- kickstart lever

So engine was finished.
Tried to start it and it alive from first light kick despite the old gas in the tank. Weather still bad, but I was so happy just to hear this lovely sound and feel this sweet two stroke smell.

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I'm always amazed at how much of a pain fitting exhausts is.

Like... This is one of the least precision parts of a vespa, but they still never want to fit.
Never had any problems with SIP Road 2 with DR cylinder - fits like a glove.
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