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Yes. If you drive an EV on dirty coal, you end up with more CO2.

Which is just one of many reasons why renewable energy is so @#$% important.

Duh.

I've never been against EV's but I am reluctant to embrace a product that's being marketed as the one that's going to save the planet when it makes as much CO2 as the ICE alternative, but in reverse.

Regarding tolls, taxes, and road use: at least in the US, there's also annual vehicle taxes. If you have to register it for a plate, you have to pay the tax.

I'm decidedly against taxing simply based on using the road. That way lies ridiculousness such as bicycle taxes, pedestrian/jogger taxes, and other silliness cagers typically foam at the mouth about.

I'm decidedly against taxing simply based on using the road. That way lies ridiculousness such as bicycle taxes, pedestrian/jogger taxes, and other silliness cagers typically foam at the mouth about.

Sooo construction and upkeep of roads should be paid by...?

Mostly by taxes on gasoline. These would incentivize higher efficiency of use of fuel, which would also drive toward smaller vehicles that cause less wear and tear. It also has the benefit of pushing away from gas and diesel as fuels.

Then by registration fees. Higher fee for heavier vehicle is fine by me. Motorcycles should be cheap, super cheap, for obviously biased reasons.

Until EVs account for, say, 25% of road users and road miles, I'd just keep raising rates on the gas tax. It was ~20 years ago or so I was of a mind to increase the gas tax $0.10/gallon per year, every year.

So how to "make" EV drivers pay? Increase the electrical charges. Specifically, stop thinking about gas tax as gas tax, but rather as energy tax. And tax energy relative to the full, and environmental, costs. Oh, so you put solar on your roof? Huh, that's sort of the end goal anyway, isn't it?

Sooo construction and upkeep of roads should be paid by...?

I don't care specifically: if they want me to solve that, I expect a government salary and benefits. More seriously, that way lies p-p-p-Politics.

stone head: "BEWARE! For the..."
Hoggle: "Just...don't."
stone head: "Aww, but I haven't said it in such a long time!"
(Thank you, Jim Henson.)

I wasn't referring to a specific tax. I was referring to general sentiment of "everyone who uses them should pay, no freeloaders." It's a common rant for, among other things, the periodical push to require registration & plates for bicycles, drivers licenses for 50cc scooters and mopeds, etc. It's a FOMO, crab bucket mentality. There's multiple systems in place already for infrastructure funding.

I also use the road to walk the dog, ride a bicycle, to get to the trail head. What...do these people want me to register my friggin' wheelchair, cane, crutches, prosthetic leg, or shoes with the DOT?

There's multiple systems in place already for infrastructure funding.

So how to "make" EV drivers pay? Increase the electrical charges.

How do you separate the electric bill increase from non EV households? Wouldn't it be the same as increasing gas tax for muscle cars and Fortresses of solitude.

You don't. Energy is energy - you pay for what you use, regardless of the use.

Transport infrastructure is a necessary component of our societies - those who never use a car still rely on all sorts of things that use transport of various kinds. So we all pay for it, just as we do for defence and other government expenditure on our behalf.

The same thing happened on the national level with social security.
There was so much money in the fund, the congress could not keep
their hands off it and started using the money for other budget items.

Indeed, there are many studies, for example this one:

A Comparative study on Electric Vehicle and Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles

K. Poornesh, K. P. Nivya and K. Sireesha, "A Comparative study on Electric Vehicle and Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles," 2020 International Conference on Smart Electronics and Communication (ICOSEC), 2020, pp. 1179-1183, doi: 10.1109/ICOSEC49089.2020.9215386.

Abstract:
Electrification of the vehicles gains a significant research importance due to the increasing amount of greenhouse gas (GHG) emission by using conventional internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEV). The major benefits of electric vehicles (EVs) are a reduced amount of carbon monoxide (CO) emissions, higher efficiency, performance, and lower maintenance costs. It also allows energy diversification by switching to renewable resources. This paper analyzes the efficiency of an EV with ICEV by considering various parameters like required torque, speed and distance traveled. The simulation is developed in MATLAB/Simulink and analysis is presented for various performance metrics as a measure.

Whatchu got to scientifically prove the opposite, meaning with rant-mode off and citing sources?

No, it didn't. That is 100% false.

Here's some references. Please please take a moment to read a few of them:

Social Security Administration: Debunking some myths

AARP: 10 Social Security Myths That Refuse to Die

Motley Fool: How Much Money Has Congress Taken From Social Security?

The person or media outlet that told you that the government raided the Social Security fund was outright lying to you. They had an agenda -- fomenting mistrust in the federal government -- and you have become their unwitting pawn by repeating the lie.

I urge you to take a moment and understand confirmation bias -- the tendency we all have to accept things that reinforce our existing beliefs. This phenomena is mostly responsible for the blind acceptance of misinformation.

Please, Bob. Do it for yourself. Do it for us.

How do you separate the electric bill increase from non EV households? Wouldn't it be the same as increasing gas tax for muscle cars and Fortresses of solitude.

Not to detract from the topic/argument but this is not really the most credible academic citation based on publication venue, citation count and the academic institution of the authors.

Must be careful in places that allow one to express their opinions to then be attacked and threatened by those whose opinions that that differ from their own.

Until they can charge a vehicle fully in five minutes they're just impractical toys. If you get trapped on the highway in an electric car because of a blizzard you're gonna die. That's another issue. No thanks. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Until they can charge a vehicle fully in five minutes they're just impractical toys.

If you get trapped on the highway in an electric car because of a blizzard you're gonna die.

charging in your driveway while you're asleep means never having to fill up on the go. Charging at work ...

Care to elaborate on that topic?

What exactly don't you understand? If you are trapped on a highway in an electric car you will run out of charge. If rescue workers can't get to you, you're going to freeze to death. No charge=no heat. I honestly thought you were being facetious in your support of e-cars. If you run out of charge, can someone bring you 5 gallons of electricity? I just don't think they're better for the environment, and they are less practical. Not for me in their current form. They also need to make some noise. They're stupid creepy sneaking around like that. 😂

"Drivers report approximately 1.5-2.5 kW of heater draw in outside temperatures from 35 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit. With 50% charge on a 32kWh battery, that translates to between 6.5-10.5 hours of heat on a 15-35 degree day; double that on a full charge"

and also further reading: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38807463/tesla-model-3-climate-control-cold-weather-test/

I think extrapolating to that "you will die" is a little far fetched... but I'll agree that I don't like the fact they are silent in parking lots and on the road at low speeds.

But what if I get caught in a blizzard on my electric moped? They don't have 32kW hour batteries to power their heaters that they don't actually have anyway! This is terrifying!
Can the rescue service bring me a hot water bottle to stuff down my jacket of something? A hot cup of tea might do the trick too. Maybe keep an emergency thermos in the pet carrier?

Not available to large parts of the population.

What exactly don't you understand?