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I do NOT want it in an email or otherwise in my face.
Oh, god no. The last thing anyone on this earth needs is more email or more popups.

In my mental image of this feature, it would just be another notification, alongside quote, like, and topic reply notifications.
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Yup, that's basically what I had in my head. Bell goes red, little notification is in there, that's it.

Dunno if there's a way to create an alias for everyone where the system automatically purges any space in the username... but... probably more important/better potential improvements anyway
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Dunno if there's a way to create an alias for everyone where the system automatically purges any space in the username... but... probably more important/better potential improvements anyway
That already exists. Look at the URL of any member's profile and you'll see the version of their username that doesn't have spaces or other odd characters. This is necessary to use usernames as parts of web addresses.

Another place you can see that is the address of any member's uploaded images. View the image in a separate tab and you can see the short version of their username in the address.
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the @ system is in place at another few forums I'm on and on all of those it actually works quite well.

no e-mails, it shows up just the same as a alert: so & so: liked, agreed, quoted or @ you in _____ post-- and then there's a link to the post.

also, in topic when you're posting you can @ somebody and it autofills with suggestions, then just select who you want to bug. easy.
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I'm genuinely not sure what you're asking here. Are you asking for the forum to synthesize a title ("Here is Modernvespa") from the URL?
Selecting a word and clicking URL does nothing practical. [url]word[/url]
I would like the word you selected to become the name of the link and then you put the link itself somewhere. Could be a popup window or something. I'll leave the execution to the professionals.
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Selecting a word and clicking URL does nothing practical. [url]word[/url]
I would like the word you selected to become the name of the link and then you put the link itself somewhere. Could be a popup window or something. I'll leave the execution to the professionals.
How on earth can you make a link from just one word? Not everything ends in dot com.
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How on earth can you make a link from just one word? Not everything ends in dot com.
I think he means that if it's not a link, the part in between the tags will become a title, and you must supply a link.
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Selecting a word and clicking URL does nothing practical. [url]word[/url]
A few thoughts on that. First, that's not really what the URL button is for. It's supposed to be used to enclose a fully-qualified URL with URL tags. In practice, though, you can just paste the URL into the text and the forum will figure out that it's a link and will link-ify it properly.

Secondly, if you were to enclose a set of words (that isn't an URL) then you'll get tags around them -- at which point that becomes the title, and you could, at your option, add the link to the opening URL tag, like so:
[URL=http://modernvespa.com]some words[/URL]
So the URL button will function in a variety of situations, but it won't try to figure out exactly what you're doing. I think there is very little value in a popup window that attempts to figure out what you're doing and then asks you for the missing pieces. It is both computationally challenging and isn't a substantial improvement over just editing the text directly.
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report number 1 for today

today posting new thread. shouldn't ui stop this?

Update:

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Shorter but doesn't work
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report number 2 for the day

something weird with the woff vs woff2 files. all the woff2 give errors if i disable cache
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report number 3 for the day

karma.

in user list it's text
in profile it's icons

iirc text is correct and the icons representing number of posts are a different thing
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Shorter but doesn't work
Another lightweight "swingarm" / exhaust bracket GTS
Looks like the need to escape the quotes (which made the string longer) pushed the title over the field size limit.
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today posting new thread. shouldn't ui stop this?
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that a plain form element on a web page has any idea what the constraints of the underlying database might be, or any ability to control what you type there.

It doesn't.
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something weird with the woff vs woff2 files. all the woff2 give errors if i disable cache
I honestly don't know what's going on there. Is there a particular reason you were disabling cache?
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karma.

in user list it's text
in profile it's icons

iirc text is correct and the icons representing number of posts are a different thing
I recently changed the profile page to show karma roundels instead of karma text, at the request of someone else on this thread. So the change is intentional.

The roundels have nothing whatsoever to do with number of post count, though. It is strictly how much accumulated karma the user has, obfuscated into roundels and calculated on a very steep curve.
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Looks like the need to escape the quotes (which made the string longer) pushed the title over the field size limit.



You seem to be under the mistaken impression that a plain form element on a web page has any idea what the constraints of the underlying database might be, or any ability to control what you type there.

It doesn't.
escaping the quotes ain't needed for this and don't count to the limit anyway

quick test in maria (iirc that's what you use)
DROP TABLE IF EXISTS test;

CREATE TABLE test (
  col1 char(6) DEFAULT NULL  <-- note the limit of 6
);

INSERT INTO test (col1) VALUES
   ('"test"'),
   ('123456'),
   ('\'test\''),  <-- for the causal reader this is an escape method that maria supports but some other dbs don't
   ('''test'''),  <-- and this is another escape method: two single quotes = one quote inserted
   ('`test`');
PS, the page knows it's going into sql (as you can and do edit both pieces of code) and could simulate whatever escaping is needed before allowing submit but as shown above this point ain't relevant
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The roundels have nothing whatsoever to do with number of post count, though. It is strictly how much accumulated karma the user has, obfuscated into roundels and calculated on a very steep curve.
oh. I always thought it was. ok then.
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I honestly don't know what's going on there. Is there a particular reason you were disabling cache?
it was when I was checking the file size of the new background (for curiosity) and simply pressing refresh while watching the network tab would show 0 bytes as it was pulled from cache.

regardless something seems is wrong ...

... but I did try clearing the cache followed by normal viewing of the site and seemed ok so might not really be an issue. maybe just a browser bug. 🤷
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it was when I was checking the file size of the new background (for curiosity) and simply pressing refresh while watching the network tab would show 0 bytes as it was pulled from cache.
I do that a lot too (for the exact same reason), but I just empty the cache (rather than disabling it).
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regardless something seems is wrong ...
Agreed. Just... not entirely sure how to go about figuring it out.
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Update: more examples showing that escaping chars doesn't count to the limit

escaping the quotes ain't needed for this and don't count to the limit anyway
I mean, it's right there in the first line of the dialog:
SQL Error: 1406 Data too long for column 'topic_title' at row 1
This doesn't seem like much of a mystery to me.
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PS, the page knows it's going into sql and could simulate whatever escaping is needed before allowing submit but as shown above this point ain't relevant
Sure. I could write a bunch of javascript to detect that and beep incessantly at you whenever you try to stuff more characters into the field than will fit in the database, though honestly that violates about half a dozen coding guidelines that I can think of off the top of my head.

And then someone will point out that unicode characters tend to use more bytes than characters, which will also (probably) break.

Can it be made perfect? Yes. Undoubtedly. Does it need to be perfect, if perfection comes at the cost of complexity? Probably not.

Better yet, I could deliver an electric shock to your hand through your mouse or trackpad whenever you hit that limit, if I could figure out the "Shock Miscreant User" permissions interface.

Modern Vespa would like permission to shock your hand when you misbehave.
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I mean, it's right there in the first line of the dialog:
SQL Error: 1406 Data too long for column 'topic_title' at row 1
This doesn't seem like much of a mystery to me.
please reread my original

This works (54 chars)
Another lightweight swingarm / exhaust bracket for GTS

Shorter but doesn't work (52 chars)
Another lightweight "swingarm" / exhaust bracket GTS

I added char counts for you
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please reread my original

This works (54 chars)
Another lightweight swingarm / exhaust bracket for GTS

Shorter but doesn't work (52 chars)
Another lightweight "swingarm" / exhaust bracket GTS
I did actually carefully read your original, and even tested the 2nd string iteratively, shortening it until I got it to work. The threshold is:
Another lightweight "swingarm" / exhaust bracket G
If it's not because of the escaped quotes, then why exactly do you think it's breaking?
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I did actually carefully read your original, and even tested the 2nd string iteratively, shortening it until I got it to work. The threshold is:
Another lightweight "swingarm" / exhaust bracket G
If it's not because of the escaped quotes, then why exactly do you think it's breaking?
your example (which would have two escapes) is 50 chars after insert. yet I created a title that is 54 chars (with no escapes).

'tis weird.

what col type (char or varchar etc) and what size is it? any chance of a show create table ?
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what col type (char or varchar etc) and what size is it? any chance of a show create table ?
The topic_title is char(60). Which, yeah, you would think would be enough. But clearly it isn't, and the quotes are the part that makes the difference.

(I'd rather not post the entire table definition, just out of sheer paranoia).

EDIT: Doing some more tests as we speak.
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And there we have it:
post_subject is Another lightweight \&quot;swingarm\&quot; / exhaust bracket G
post_subject length is 62
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And there we have it:
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ah I see.

was mislead by the error message on screen inappropriately displaying the &quot; as a single quote, ie not showing the real sql command executed.

this reason does ring a bell that we discussed it before. (and the pros/cons of this model of storing html escaping in the db instead of using htmlspecialchars() at display time)

fine.
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this reason does ring a bell that we discussed it before. (and the pros/cons of this model of storing html in the db instead of using htmlspecialchars() at display time)
It's actually hard to tell if that's the intent or an accident. That particular part of the code is mostly original, and probably mostly misunderstands the actual problem they were trying to solve, given the state of security comprehension in 2002.

It could be that they just did it that way to avoid SQL injection attacks (which is totally the wrong way to go about it).
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I've been dreading re-writing that portion of code. It is literally the beating heart of the forum, and yet it probably needs to be replaced by something modern and sane.

Might be time.
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I've been dreading re-writing that portion of code. It is literally the beating heart of the forum, and yet it probably needs to be replaced by something modern and sane.
I 1000% understand this

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A few thoughts on that. First, that's not really what the URL button is for. It's supposed to be used to enclose a fully-qualified URL with URL tags. In practice, though, you can just paste the URL into the text and the forum will figure out that it's a link and will link-ify it properly.

Secondly, if you were to enclose a set of words (that isn't an URL) then you'll get tags around them -- at which point that becomes the title, and you could, at your option, add the link to the opening URL tag, like so:
[URL=http://modernvespa.com]some words[/URL]
So the URL button will function in a variety of situations, but it won't try to figure out exactly what you're doing. I think there is very little value in a popup window that attempts to figure out what you're doing and then asks you for the missing pieces. It is both computationally challenging and isn't a substantial improvement over just editing the text directly.
Personally I hate popups (not as much as redirects though ). But every now and then popups can be the simplest solution.
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the @ system is in place at another few forums I'm on and on all of those it actually works quite well.

no e-mails, it shows up just the same as a alert: so & so: liked, agreed, quoted or @ you in _____ post-- and then there's a link to the post.

also, in topic when you're posting you can @ somebody and it autofills with suggestions, then just select who you want to bug. easy.
Yup! Very similar to facebook!


Ew, wow...

Never thought I would say "Similar to Facebook" in a positive way.

I feel weird and confused inside.
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Never thought I would say "Similar to Facebook" in a positive way.

I feel weird and confused inside.
Yeah, you might need to go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

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this reason does ring a bell that we discussed it before. (and the pros/cons of this model of storing html escaping in the db instead of using htmlspecialchars() at display time)
Having spent the last 30-odd hours of my life tearing through some really ancient code running this site, I can now state with reasonable certainty that the reason topic titles are inserted into the database encoded with html entities (i.e. &quot;) is because the alternative is much, much worse.

Which is naturally the path that I've chosen.

The number of places where topic titles are displayed as HTML is staggering. Places that you never would have thought of. And each one of those is a vector for a potential security issue -- not because of the &quot; entity, but because of the potential to insert HTML -- or worse, javascript -- into that field. Okay, it would have to be relatively small, but it's theoretically possible, at which point an attacker could do all kinds of nasty things.

When you enter a title for a topic, it is now inserted into the database escaped by SQL standards, but not by HTML standards. As it should be.

But wait! There's more! Because the database is chock full of topic titles that already have HTML entities encoded in them, I have to un-encode the topic title every. single. time. I get the value out of the database. Only to then re-encode it for HTML display, in many (most?) cases.

Eventually I'll run through the entire database and remove all the HTML entities from the topic titles, at which point I can remove approximately half of the fuckmillion bits of code that I've just had to change.

Someday.

That said, the chances of me having found every single place where a topic title needs to be either decoded or encoded is near 0%. And the chance that I've introduced new bugs is a solid 100%.

But whatevs.

I haven't pushed this change to the main server yet -- I'm still running it on my test server (where I'm typing this post). If things look vaguely stable, I'll maybe think about pushing the changes tomorrow.

And then y'all can tell me what I broke.
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I have pushed the changes mentioned above (and then some).

The changes were so numerous and so scattered that I will probably spend the next 5 years slowly finding all the places where I forgot something.
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I have pushed the changes mentioned above (and then some).

The changes were so numerous and so scattered that I will probably spend the next 5 years slowly finding all the places where I forgot something.
it gives you something to do since your retired now.
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it gives you something to do since your retired now.
That's a depressing thought, honestly.
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That's a depressing thought, honestly.
being retired you choose what and when you want to do something, if at all.

but being retired you do need to do 1 thing per day, it might take 5 min or 3-5 hrs , but 1 task a day. example : clean the outside of the windows on the house. or maybe inspect the attic for critters, water, broken boards, insulation ect. how about painting that 1 room you don't like the color in? pressure washing the driveway. there are lots of tasks you can do. but don't do them all at once, spread them out, 1 a day is a nice pace.
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Personally I really dig the little Vespa backgrounds. I think they're changing colors too which is cool. Keeps things looking fresh.

Food for thought: Maybe an MP3 specific one, or a Vespa with a bag on the back for the Rallies forum, etc. Basically just themed per forum.
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Food for thought: Maybe an MP3 specific one, or a Vespa with a bag on the back for the Rallies forum, etc. Basically just themed per forum.
I've considered it. That said, I also don't want things to get stale, so am trying to balance the theme idea vs. the daily rotation idea.

Haven't reached any conclusive decisions yet.

The Vespas are going to be here for another day or so, to be replaced by a season-appropriate theme for a few more days after that.
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a little Fibonacci sequence going on there?
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