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Ah sorry, I thought you thinking of (or wanted to…) using the XL cover but didn't want to because you're not using a clutch with a bearing pressure plate.
I already use XL cover. It is almost same as V-range cover(with long arm)
And XL2 cover is one with geared push rod. And require al other XL2 parts.
You can't mix XL and XL2.
Only solution for XL(or V-range) cover if you want geared push rod is Crimaz kit and pressure plate with bearing.
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I already use XL cover. It is almost same as V-range cover(with long arm)
And XL2 cover is one with geared push rod. And require al other XL2 parts.
You can't mix XL and XL2.
Only solution for XL(or V-range) cover if you want geared push rod is Crimaz kit and pressure plate with bearing.
Yeah, meant the "pk clutch cover that everyone uses for the fabbri clutch basket"… lol

I've only really come across the "new" XL2 cover and the v range with a long arm. I think I might have a normal PK cover back in the UK, but can't remember if it's just another v range cover.

I wonder are all the "new" XL2 covers the same as an original XL2 cover? Or there's some small differences in the space?

Kinda glad CM found all that research on smallie covers… or I'd be even more lost…
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I wonder are all the "new" XL2 covers the same as an original XL2 cover? Or there's some small differences in the space?
I think "new" XL2 cover have more space inside for modern clutches.

I have SIP v.1 XL2 cover, SIP XL2 clutch lever and SIP XL2 14.25mm push rod.
I tried mount it on my original Special crankcase with VMC gear tree, Ferodo XL2 Sport clutch and Piaggio XL2 pressure plate. Gear tree was shimmed with 0.5 spacer.
Then it turned out that I need 2 mm clutch cover spacer and I can assume that it is because I have 14.25 mm pushrod. If I'd have 12.25 push rod then I don't need clutch cover spacer.
Ok, I put 2 mm clutch cover spacer. And the problem was that clutch drags hard when I pull the lever. Also it was very hard to adjust cable tension between kickstart lever slipping and that the clutch somehow works.
Then I disassembled all again. And noticed that when lever is pulled pressure plate rests again clutch basket nut on gear tree.
Went to FB with this problem and Cristian "CRIMAZ" Mazelli said that Crimaz pressure plate will solve my problem. Ok, I ordered it. Mounted it and nothing changed maybe a very little.

I was tired about all this madness and put back single spring V-range clutch but with Crimaz pressure plate. To be honest I didn't noticed any difference in work between Crimaz and original pressure plate.
Here you can find some pics of my clutch, clutch cover, etc.

Then I mounted my Ferodo XL2 clutch to the mate's PK XL2 with all original crankcase, gear tree, clutch cover and other XL2 bits and it work absolutely perfect.
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Took me a while to digest that, but totally get your adventure with the clutch…

Weird that the pressure plate was hitting the nut on the Christmas tree.

What I found on my v range was that the clutch arm on the cover when moved all the way didn't move the brass pushrod very far… and it was new, I didn't want to invest in a new cover.

But there was no way that I could make it work. Same problems as you, no matter how much you adjusted, just stalled in 1st gear and jumpy clutch, high revs and it would half work.
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Honestly, the clutch is probably one of the last things I would upgrade on a build, because you have to get into pretty serious power before you really outgrow the capacity of a stock clutch, especially with stiff springs.

It's also a relatively easy part to swap out, but if it's not slipping or chewing through plates on a regular basis, then I'd just run with it.
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Honestly, the clutch is probably one of the last things I would upgrade on a build, because you have to get into pretty serious power before you really outgrow the capacity of a stock clutch, especially with stiff springs.

It's also a relatively easy part to swap out, but if it's not slipping or chewing through plates on a regular basis, then I'd just run with it.
Disagree with that amigo.

Clutches are the key to buttery smooth gear shifts…

I'd definitely upgrade in some way the clutch, probably 4 plates and the stoffi springs that ray has. I'm not mega convinced having a one spring clutch, unless the engine was stock.

My little rubbish 112cc Polini already produces 12HP, which is more than stock et3.

But the last thing I would upgrade, would be the gearbox.
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Very happy this evening.
Threw engine into chassis. I had very little free time so I even not put nuts on the engine stud and on the shock absorber bolt.
But one thing worried me. How exhaust fits with engine in chassis?
Checked. It fits absolutely easily and with lot of space everywhere!
Still lot to do before finish.

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Disagree with that amigo.

Clutches are the key to buttery smooth gear shifts…

But the last thing I would upgrade, would be the gearbox.
I did say upgrade the springs, and I totally get your point. What I was trying to say (at least in my own head) is that the clutch is either adequate or it's not, so don't upgrade until you know it's not adequate.

But, yeah, gear box is last-last, for sure.
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is that the clutch is either adequate or it's not, so don't upgrade until you know it's not adequate.

Ah yeah agree with that…

I think we all went through "er yeah the clutch needs upgrading" when riding… lol
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I love the cover for the starter hole.
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All cables done.
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And new selector cover.
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Flywheel cover, CDI and wires on its places.
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Suddenly found rims reflective stickers set. I bought it in maybe 2004(!) for my Honda Giorno but not used don't remember why.
Since that time I changed few garages and houses but always kept stickers for idk why.
I was surprised that it still can be sticked. Maybe look bit stupid but it is not hard to remove when it start to annoy me.
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Notice how good exhaust suits with chassis lines
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Next question is about jets. Maybe Jack221 can help with what better to start?

It is SHBC 20 L and original PK air filter with addition holes drilled.
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Cleaned carb and mounted original PK air filter with addition holes.
Jetting is:
110 main
55 idle
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And engine starts from 3-4 kicks! I went for a ride despite cold and very windy weather! And was very pleased how nice and smooth scooter runs! For sure jets is need to be sorted but now it seems that it very close.

Done my first 32 km then back to garage and change old totally dead front shock and give a good service for front suspension and brakes - all was cleaned, checked and greased fresh.
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I like the sound of that pipe in the video. Those rim strips are like a neon light!😎 I would have a hard time hiding from the police where I live.😉 That's a really cool scoot, great job!
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Again too cold for rides.
And I fixed dashboard bulbs.
When I got Snowball there was only one burned bulb in turn signal lamp. Changed it to new one and it blinked only when indicators was off Facepalm emoticon Then I fixed that harness mess and lamp start to work correct.

In the blue signal lamp there was a plug instead of bulb holder. And one plug and one empty bulb holder without wiring in the speedo. Now I got all what I need and all lamps now works as it should.
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MJRally wrote:
With all the cutting youve had to do, would you still recommend the SIP Travesi cylinder or go with a different brand? Polini racing?
I rode it for near 200 km now. And I can say that this cylinder was absolutely worth every cutting I did. Runs absolutely better than DR or Polini. And obviously can give more with better carburettor and exhaust.

It feels rich so i go to 108 main jet.
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Love the malossi jet holder…

I need to get another one I think, there's not enough space in one, but I realised they're not fuel resistant.

The plastic melts when fuel touches it.
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