Modern Vespa

I recently/in the process of replacing my stolen piaggio. This new one is an 03 et2 50. Well my question/s is/are what the ballpark cost to have the following work done would be. Carb cleaning (unclogging), new fuel intake filter, new fuel hoses, new spark plug, and lastly drain and replace the oil and gas. (And it's still not running) think it's the idle deal.

Basically we are working out the final price. That's not including the 20plus hours off and on of labor. Anyone able to help with a simple ballpark cost. I appreciate any help. And look forward to being on this board going and learning from everyone's vast knowledge and experiences.

Dealer probably 400. Yourself about 50. Not hard work. With a 2 stroke remember there is no crankcase oil to change. There is an oil reservoir for the 2 stroke oil on the auto lube system.

Yeah that's what i drained the reservoir. Thanks. So $300 is fair to to ask off price since myself or a buddy did all the work. And I still need to figure out the idle jet issue.

Definitely if it is not currently running. A good rule of thumb is, take a good condition one's price and half the price if it doesn't run, half it again if the paperwork is bad. If the ET2 is in alright shape it should be between 500 at 1500 for a non runner. If I was to throw a number out there.

He's at 900 I'm at $500. I've done

New Battery, replaced a tire, plus misc parts and labor. And I'm learning via YouTube how to do the idle jet work tonight. Appreciate ya

It really depends on the condition and color of the ET2. There is no formula for determining the value of every 20 year old ET2. If it's red, mint and doesn't run because it sat up for a long time, probably closer to $1000-1200. If it looks like someone dragged it home behind a truck, a couple hundred at best. Most bikes that were running when they were parked many years ago, were parked because they quit running.
If it has a weber carburetor, there's probably a new carburetor in your future, after you do everything you can possibly learn about on youtube to try and make that one work.

I'm not sure I entirely understand. are you trying to buy this bike and you're negotiating a deal based on what it would cost to do these repairs while also taking into account the work you've already done?

could you break it down a little more specifically?

Thanks to the last two posters I'll try and explain better here. I just snapped my wrist 3 hours ago so I'm gonna try to do my best.

It's silver in mint (appearance) condition.

It ran last fall. I see no reason to doubt him or any reason to believe him honestly now that I think about it. Anyways i know him thru his fiancé (who was in high school with my sister)

He let me take it to try and get it running and basically didn't want it done in his little enclave of 4 houses with pretentious neighbors. And also i tend to work past 7 pm which he is scared of his HOA or some sh*t. So i trailered it home and started tinkering with it. Listed price was $900, then he said snd i quote "we can rework the price down just see what's wrong, and keep any receipts and we'll figure out a fair price " i said cool. Thinking based on the family friend tie and his words and demeanor i wasn't too worried. Plus the price for a perfectly maintained (exterior at least) Vespa running or not i could handle. It's the way it was addressed i guess would my gripe:reason for the thread/original questions. He calls snd asks if we can settle up. I asked him what he was thinking. In my mind i thought he meant we'd look at receipts etc and "discuss " based on his own words. He just said "$750" and that was all he'd say about it. Again I'd gladly pay the price if it wasn't a contradiction of previous statements by him. So I'm trying to have a general idea of work done/ongoing before he and i negotiate. If it stands at $750 so be it. Hope that clears up my general questions. It's more about the principle than the money really.

okay, I've got it. I think, maybe.

dude wants to get rid of a non running bike for 900, and you said sure let me see if I can make it run and ride and what I put into it to get there you'll take off the 900 and he says sure.

now you've done some work and he says lets square up and considers the bike worth 750 while you think it's more fair at 5 from what you've put into it.

my guess is that you're gonna get hosed, family friend or not.

at best, you might get consideration for the parts you've supplied and a few dollars for the work, so what, about $150 and that's where he's pulling that 750 figure from.

anyway, this could play out a bunch of ways.
>he could see the error of his ways, you give him 5 hundy and everybody wins
>he won't budge on the 750 and you cough it up
>same as above, but you just take the bike back, tell him to stuff it and take your licks

if he becomes a real jerk-ass about the situation? just take all the stuff off that you did, roll it out the curb and send him a text that his bike is out in the street. it's his problem now.

there are other, more nefarious things you *could* do and dark paths that *could* be taken. but honestly, it's an ET2. there will be another.

at any rate, immediately stop any and all work on it. do not touch it any further whatsoever. even if it's to hook up a gas line or put a spark plug in it. do nothing until the issue is resolved-- you've either removed yourself from the situation or you've purchased it and paid AND have the paperwork.

A successful negotiation is one in which both parties end up feeling ripped off.

if nobody had their feelings hurt did a transaction really take place?

The battery I understand, putting a tire on someone else's bike that doesn't run, not so much. You might open up a can of worms if you strip parts off the bike and dump it in front of his house.
It sounds like your biggest hurdle is lack of knowledge and experience with this particular model. And the seller doesn't know what's wrong with it either. If you've put 20 hours into trying to figure out what's wrong with it, and don't know, it's time to call in the Cavalry. Any repairs you make that don't fix the problem might need to be undone, which adds to the cost of eventually getting it up and running again.
The issue could be the CDI, they go out all the time on ET2s of that age. The issue could be the carburetor, the weber carbs almost always need replacing, even after you've cleaned it.
A lot of times someone puts an H spark plug in, instead of an E, because every other 50cc scooter uses the H plug. Does it have a B9E or BR9E plug, or is it something that ends in an H? Is there an air filter in the box? A lot of them rot away and people don't think about that.
It could be a lack of compression, which is also very common with two strokes that have been sitting for a while. Did you check that? Was the oil in the tank two stroke oil? I've seen far too many of them come into the shop with 10-30 in the tank.
Does it start when you use starter fluid? If not, it's likely compression or spark.
If you are familiar with two strokes in general and ET2s in particular, the odds are that you wouldn't put 20 hours into trying to make it run, and replace parts that might not need replacing.
Personally, as much as I dislike silver Vespas, a non-running ET2 that is otherwise in mint condition, is definitely worth $750. Unless the crankcase is broken in half, no matter what's wrong with the engine, if you diagnose it and just fix what's preventing it from running, it's not going to take 20+ hours and cost a lot to get it back on the road. If you are not familiar with them, and are winging it, you can easily put a week into guessing what might be wrong.