Modern Vespa

Thanks. I have the weight difference at 40 lbs, officially, so the HP/weight ratios are
actually higher for the GT200 (0.068 to 0.063--but still very close). As already noted, the torque matters and I could definitely get that in the test drive.

My first thought on each of these was how can I shed weight? The exhaust is the most likely first step, but then I could have carburation issues. For now, I am going to change/replace all consumables and filters, and just drive it around the local back roads.

To the person recommending the Robot video, thanks. I found it very informative.

That's the one! I tried to embed it but must be too technically challenged. I could be wrong, but I think the Malossi ignition module is still available and can work without the immobiliser, which would be a bonus (for me).

If you can stand to lose weight, do that first. Seriously, it's a lot cheaper to lose 10 pounds than to try to carve it off a steel monocoque body scooter.

That being said, lots of folks go with a lighter battery.

Good luck.

the malossi CDI is available and it eliminates the immobilizer.

the stock exhaust is HEAVY, while switching to an aftermarket would cut weight the price per pound is a kings ransom when exhausts are 400+ bucks. then you throw in that there's not much of a appreciable performance gain and that starts looking like a loser real quick-- unless you like the way they look and sound.

but, ounces do add up to pounds. a light weight battery, mirrors, ditching accessories. replacing shocks will not only give a better ride, but might be somewhat lighter, maybe. gut the evap system. there's aftermarket swing arms but you're back into the high dollar for limited return game there.

so even with all of that... I'd be surprised if even running on a half tank of gas you'd shed 20lbs

Try to find a tail light for your GT200. Or the headset plastics for one with round start and horn buttons. Or the plastic pieces that go next to the mirrors.
Piaggio has licensed a company in China to produce the GTS 300 engine, so mechanical spares will be around for quite a while. What's hard to find for the GT are parts that it doesn't share with the GTS and GTV.
The GTS engine was an improvement in many ways over the GT200 engine. The water pump is a much better design, as is the stator. The variator is a better design. Piaggio made a carbureted version of the engine in the GTS, and you could convert one to a carburetor and stick it in your GT 200, if you were so inclined.
Most small Taiwanese and Chinese scooters are not carbureted. I don't think it's legal to sell a 125 carb. scooter in China.
Even the crappy Indian VLX 150 has fuel injection now.

You haven't priced angle grinders at Harbor Freight in a while...

Let's see:

First EFI production cars in the US 1958
Spacewar digital computer game 1962
First consumer level Microwave oven 1967
VW Type 3 with fuel injection 1968
the Famous Cuyahoga River Fire 1969
EPA 1970
Most powerful stock VW Beetle 1977 (fuel injected)

I think your premise might need reexamination.

Dang! I like Harbor Freight for occasional use tools. I've got one of their electric impact guns, a big torque wrench, and other odds and ends. I'll have to go shopping tomorrow.

Good afternoon,
Congratulations on your new-old Vespa!
I just looked at and test rode a 2007 GT200 today in Oregon. It has 1700 miles and looks great on the outside and most of the fuel, coolant, and vacuum lines seem in decent shape. Garage kept.
I'm curious what you paid? Perhaps you and Motovista can give me some insight.
The scoot that I looked at, looks and drives pretty well. No scrapes, scratches or dents. No hesitation on start up, idle, WOT, etc. Although, the nice old man started it before I arrived...so it was slightly warm at touch.

The main concern is the scoot is still at pandemic pricing! $3700, hardly ridden for the past 5 years, original tires, fuel filter, fuel lines, coolant, oil, oil filter, air filter, etc! The worst is seeing forum posts of Pre-pandemic GT200 purchases in the $2000 range.

Anyway, I am going to offer him less and see what happens; perhaps $2500.
What did you pay for your GT200?
What does Motovista think of this?

The other Scoot options are a newer Sprint 150 or a Pre 2013 GTS300
Also, I plan to upgrade sooner or later, the variator, suspension, exhaust, SIP speedo and LED indicators, brakes, vinyl protective wrap,...and maybe later on engine mods.
Thoughts? Thanks!

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I think your offer number is about right. As you mentioned tires, fluids, filters will add up.

10 days into ownership I am pretty happy overall. My decision to get the GT200 over the GTS300ie was a good one. Based on the overall picture of price, performance, cosmetics. It is so much faster than my vintage bikes. Now reserved for special days.

Good luck

I paid 2500 for my gts250ie in october. The scoot had bit over 11 thousand miles, was often stored outside, needed new tires and had a broken down vacuum tube in the emission control system. Belt and roller service was started today and Just in time, parts will be ordered tomorrow. My scoot looks nice and runs fine. Your potential 2006 with much less miles stored indoors is IMO sight unseen, worth $2500 perhaps even a bit more. Vespa GTS's = smile makers.

IMO better to pay $5000-$6000 for a late model (2-5) year old GTS
Nothing against old crustaceans, (I am one) we are frugal AF
And many equate their youth to their old motorbike and car values,
they think vehicles that sit neglected in their garages and sheds for long periods of time with relatively low miles are the most valuable, they don't realize these machines have missed many fluids changes and will need hoses, tires, seals, batteries, major maintenance real soon if not immediately.

Not sure where you got these figures, but the GT200 puts out about 17 horsepower.

No matter what I go in for, it's never the only thing I leave with.

Not really true for decades. The Battery, yes, if it won't hold a charge, but if you've found a low mileage garage queen, get it running, fix what doesn't work, and go about 90% of what you should on first service (not necessary, but I do it as a precaution), then do the service.
It's hard to believe that people see a ten year old bike with less than 1000 miles on it and imagine it needs huge amounts of parts and service. Most of them are trying to be helpful by repeating something they've seen somewhere else on a forum, without realizing whether or not it is true. One of the common parts mentioned is seals, which were made of rope when this was true. They haven't made main seals out of rope for ages.

Other portions of the equation are a person's mechanical skillset/desire, tools, workplace and parts availability (or willingness to research substitutes or purchase used parts). If someone finds themselves saying "my mechanic" frequently, it's probably a good idea to buy a newer still in production machine. For them that's when the price goes up. The older on the cusp models no longer make as much financial sense. For the rest of us bottom feeders those machines become fun projects that can bring miles of smiles...or not!

Source:
https://bikez.com/motorcycles/vespa_granturismo_200_l_2006.php**

Where did you find your numbers? I am truly interested in the output, not being difficult. I found this week the GL is only 6.5 HP. So anything near 20 feels awesome.

Also, I do have motorcycles, including a DRZ400 I turned into a supermoto with a *built* motor. Proud to say I built it. A real beast. With that and the sports cars, I don't lack for HP. And I get my jollies at the racetrack--but I have retired from racing. The GT is for tooling around backroads with some friends. So far, so good. I can get a 300 if I find it lacking. Not being a GT200 superfan, just that for now it seems to fit my needs, was priced right and convenient.

**Engine and transmission
Displacement 198.0 ccm (12.08 cubic inches)
Engine type Single cylinder, four-stroke
Power 19.7 HP (14.4 kW)) @ 8500 RPM
Torque 9.6 Nm (1.0 kgf-m or 7.1 ft.lbs) @ 6000 RPM
Top speed 119.0 km/h (73.9 mph)
Bore x stroke 72.0 x 48.6 mm (2.8 x 1.9 inches)
Fuel control Single Overhead Cams (SOHC)
Ignition Electronic CDI, variable spark advance
Lubrication system Wet sump
Cooling system Liquid
Gearbox Automatic
Transmission type Belt (final drive)
Clutch Automatic dry centrifugal type
Fuel consumption 4.00 litres/100 km (25.0 km/l or 58.81 mpg)
Greenhouse gases 92.8 CO2 g/km. (CO2 - Carbon dioxide emission)

workshop manual for the GT200 says 21 hp (15.4 kW) @ 8,500 rpm on page 21

https://manuals.wotmeworry.org.uk/Vespa/GT200/

If you do the work yourself.
What does a belt, rollers, oil, gear oil, brake fluid flush, coolant flush, valve adjustment and tires cost, full pop, parts, labor?

something in the 7~800 range

Thanks for the replies.
Made a offer. Counter offer was only a couple hundred off asking. Says couple others will be looking at it...
Kinda torn. Definitely convenient to walk down the street and get it. Otherwise, most other options are 3-5 hrs (1 way) away. Plus I would need a moto carrier ($160-200) and cost of gas (+/- 100).

Has anyone been on a 3v Iget 150? What is your weight? I'm 160lbs. And how does it compare to the GT200:
- for mtn twisties fun,
- commuting
- 200 mile trips
- holding 65 mph
- performance tuning
- top speed, acceleration, longevity- Malossi 210, head, cam vs Malossi 185 iget
- $7000 new 150, or $3500 seventeen year old GT

Thanks for the help!

Ps - You will be subtracted points if you reply "get a bigger bike".

for your list of needs the 150 will be substandard. it'll meet all of that criteria, but just barely so on the holding 65mph. at that, you don't have much more runway.

you'll want a 200 or 250/300

if you want to work on it, buy the 200. but that bike is listed at a bit of a premium and consider the money that you'd need to put into it. I don't care if it has low miles, I'd rather see something that's 17 years old with 20K than 2K. so just know going in you're gonna be out a few bucks on tires at the very least.

personally I'd go for a pre ABS GTS250/300

Indeed. I agree. Perhaps the 300 will be better. And although, I get over excited into building and customization, after spending a regetable 500 bucks on a fart can, I often don't want to spend/waste anymore money. Getting something that doesn't need "performance" parts is better.

Let us know what you end up getting. GL

Doesn't everything need "performance" parts? They make performance parts for Hayabusas and R1s. So the answer is a resounding yes.

Does anyone have an accurate weight for the non-ABS GTS300 and GT200?

For the GTS300, the internet states either : 326lbs or 348lbs.

For the GT200, I have seen: 304lbs or 308lbs

Guess I shouldn't tell lies.

Be very careful of kerb vs dry*

quotes from some manuals

pre-abs 300
user manual kerb weight 151 ± 5 kg
workshop manual kerb weight 158 ± 5 kg
umm ... take your pick

200
workshop manual dry weight 308 lbs. (140 Kg)



* for those not familiar with the different terms:
dry means no fluids, ie no coolant or fuel and maybe not even engine oil etc.
kerb means can drive it right now but probably low fuel?