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Not looking for reasoned arguments or technical checklists here, just vibes. What's your gut reaction to the question "Is a Vespa a motorcycle?"
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Not looking for reasoned arguments or technical checklists here, just vibes. What's your gut reaction to the question "Is a Vespa a motorcycle?"
Yes, according to California DMV.
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Yes, according to CA DMV.
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"Is a Vespa a motorcycle?"
No, it is more than that...
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In Australia yes its a motorcycle.
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
I tell people I ride a big Vespa scooter.
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yes, sub category scooter
I don't know why, but it grates my insides when someone calls it a moped....
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I consider it a type of motorcycle. It has an engine and 2 wheels. In some ways it meets the common definition of a motorcycle, in others it doesn't. Is a Honda Super Cub or Trail with a semi step through frame a motorcycle? Some call them underbones. Some call them motor driven cycles. To me it doesn't really matter, what they are is FUN.

As for mopeds, I currently own two mopeds, and have owned over a dozen since 1975. Actual 50cc PEDAL mopeds. Scooters are NOT mopeds. The word moped actually means MOtor and PEDals.
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In Australia yes its a motorcycle.
Legally is different to common parlance.

Legally a 50cc Vespa in Victoria is a Moped not a Motorcycle

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/-/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsi-s-october-2021/ptvh5189_stu_02895_vehicle-standards-information-4_v7_web_fa.ashx
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"Motorcycle" means a two wheeled
motor vehicle with an engine cylinder
capacity exceeding 50ml (50cc) or a
maximum speed exceeding 50km/h
and includes a motor cycle with a
trailer, forecar or sidecar attached.

"Moped" means a two or three
wheeled motor vehicle, not being
a power-assisted pedal cycle, with
an engine cylinder capacity not
exceeding 50ml (50cc) (or another
power source) and a maximum speed
not exceeding 50km/h.
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
Moped.
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
me i tell them with my french accent i ride a vespa! ,they look at me weird and say what is a vespa then i say is a scooter .in my area central PA they don't know vespa,at work they call my ride a moped .2022 GTS 300 hpe touring .moped??? ROFL emoticon
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Definitions differ between countries and, within the US, between states. The OP is from California so I presume (s)he's asking about California laws. Here's California DMV's webpage defining MC, motor-driven cycles, scooters and moped
  • Motorcycles: 2 or 3 wheels with engine > 150 cc, requires M1 license. External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text
  • Motor-driven cycle: 2 or 3 wheel with engine < 150 cc; requires M1 or M2 license. I have no idea how M1 differs from M2 license. External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text
  • Moped, also known as a motorized bicycle has 2-3 wheels and an electric motor with an automatic transmission that produces less than 4 gross brake horsepower External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text
  • Scooter: stand on while riding it. No registration or license required. External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text
So depending on the engine size, a Vespa is either a Motorcycle or Motor driven cycle.
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Motor-driven cycle
that's a new term to me
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that's a new term to me
I bet 9 out of 10 riders could tell you what it is either. California's definitions are so confusing. I still don't know what an M2 license is. Most have an M1 (motorcycle) license
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A motor-driven cycle has 2-3 wheels and an engine size smaller than 149 cc.
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A motorcycle has 2-3 wheels and an engine size larger than 150 cc.
I've always wondered what a "motorcycle" would be in CA if it was 150cc on the nose...
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I've always wondered what a "motorcycle" would be in CA if it was 150cc on the nose...
so many people who write such things clearly failed Math class. Sad
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Not looking for reasoned arguments or technical checklists here, just vibes. What's your gut reaction to the question "Is a Vespa a motorcycle?"
It is a step through frame motorcycles. There are other categories of motorcycle fro Amex including, standard, cruiser, dual sport.

For a complete list of types see: https://www.motorcyclelegalfoundation.com/types-of-motorcycles/

Every powered two wheeler over what're the jurisdiction defines as a moped is a motorcycle. In most places that is anything above a 49.9cc engine with or without as a moped.
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Is a tomato a fruit?
Ah but does it go in fruit salad?
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It's a motorcycle in Ohio too. But I would always call it my scooter. No step-thru bike is a motorcycle imo
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Definitions differ between countries and, within the US, between states. The OP is from California so I presume (s)he's asking about California laws. Here's California DMV's webpage defining MC, motor-driven cycles, scooters and moped
[list]
[*] Motorcycles: 2 or 3 wheels with engine > 150 cc, requires M1 license. External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text
Except, as the DMV page says, motorcycles with 3 wheels or a sidecar only requires a Class C driver license. This is the weird exception that allows MP3s to be driven without a motorcycle license, which exists in several places around the world.
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https://www.vitacci.com/motorscooter/falcon-250cc/

The bigger question. Is this a motorcycle or a scooter.
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Ah but does it go in fruit salad?
Erm, potentially.

As for your original question, my first response is no, but then I'll have to admit that generically, legally, it is indeed. But that's not my gut response.
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https://www.vitacci.com/motorscooter/falcon-250cc/

The bigger question. Is this a motorcycle or a scooter.
Well it's not a moped
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I need a motorcycle endorsement on my drivers license to ride mine in N.J.

Seems simple to me.
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All the 125-650 cc step through/step over scooters I've owned in Texas (including 2 Vespa GTs and 2 Indian Shifties) have been titled as MC, or motorcycles. My MP3 was titled as a motorcycle, as well.

Personally, I call them all bikes amongst other riders, and scooters when I'm with my non-riding friends.

Regardless, they go, stop, steer and countersteer, lean, sound, and feel like any other motorcycle. They just do it with a lot more style.
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The Scootster. Motorcycle or scooter? Miguel

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All the 125-650 cc step through/step over scooters I've owned in Texas (including 2 Vespa GTs and 2 Indian Shifties) have been titled as MC, or motorcycles. My MP3 was titled as a motorcycle, as well.

Personally, I call them all bikes amongst other riders, and scooters when I'm with my non-riding friends.

Regardless, they go, stop, steer and countersteer, lean, sound, and feel like any other motorcycle. They just do it with a lot more style.
My MP3, in California, is registered as a motorcycle, it says motorcycle on the VIN plate, and it rides like a motorcycle.

I have tried calling it a scooter, but everyone corrects me, saying "It's a motorcycle."

So I guess it's a motorcycle.
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
Both.

Maybe a scooter can be a motorcycle, but a motorcycle can't be a scooter?
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Depending on the conversation, I'll frequently reply that yeah, it's basically a kind of motorcycle with a funny-shaped frame. A lot of details are different between the two of course. But as far as the rules of the road, most licensing laws (for the 150cc+ ones, anyway), and how you need to handle one as a rider... most of the main stuff is functionally the same.

Of course, I still think scooters are better than other motorcycles, but I'm not biased. Not at all. Nope.
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Both.

Maybe a scooter can be a motorcycle, but a motorcycle can't be a scooter?
Around here many with large(ish) motorcycles call them 'mopeds' Razz emoticon

I can't even pinpoint when this started, but it is kind of a counterreaction to bragging with big bikes. Also emphasizing that riding a bike, any bike is the common thing.

I'm not personally well accustomed to use this term, mayby I'm just a bit too old generation....but can immediately think of four friends who ride a 'moped' (Yamaha Tracer, Kawasaki Ninja, Triumph Speed Triple, BMW GS) and two colleagues who rides a 'moped' too (Vespa GTS 250 and BMW GS).

Officially Vespa is a motorcycle over here.
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when somebody sees your helmet and asks "what do you ride?" what's your answer?
Sometimes my answer is "a Vespa".

Sometimes my answer is "Mongo".
Vespa and Mongo
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The Scootster. Motorcycle or scooter? Miguel

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I really don't know how I feel about this. part of me says kill it with fire. the other part of me admires the vision and craftsmanship and wonders how it rides.

both parts of me think that it looks like a modern Harley topper that they totally screwed up trying to modernize it.

at any rate, it need a sparkly unicorn sticker for sure.
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This is how it is
Surely the MP3 is a tricycle.
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