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Today I did my first service on my 2022 gts ,620 miles. What a pain in a but ! The dip stick location, why Piaggio have to make so difficult. This is the motor oil I used and the gear oil 75 w 90 gl4 and malossi oil filter
Motul and red line 75w90 gl4
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Nicely done!
And ballsy move posting a pic of the oils used 😂🤣
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What does the GTS have done for its first service?

The Primavera / Sprint don't have the gearbox oil changed on the first service, but the steering and engine valves have to be adjusted. Then there's the updates to the ECU's, and an oil / filter change.
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What does the GTS have done for its first service?

The Primavera / Sprint don't have the gearbox oil changed on the first service, but the steering and engine valves have to be adjusted. Then there's the updates to the ECU's, and an oil / filter change.
I just change motor oil and filter, change gear oil ,check coolant level, check bolts to make sure that everything is tight.
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Today I did my first service on my 2022 gts ,620 miles. What a pain in a but ! The dip stick location, why Piaggio have to make so difficult. This is the motor oil I used and the gear oil 75 w 90 gl4 and malossi oil filter
If it is the first service is that not covered the warranty. I haven't ever bought a new Vespa so I don't know but I thought the first service after 600 miles was covered.
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I don't think so. You have to pay for the first service, it's why I do it my self ,It's not hard you have a tone of information out there.
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Why should the first service be included in the warranty? A warranty covers damage in the first period after purchase. The customer is responsible for taking good care of it.

However, the performance of all services in the maintenance schedule in a (contract) workshop is necessary to maintain the warranty. Vespa's European warranty conditions explicitly state: no inspection, no warranty. Don't know how the situation is in the USA...
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Nope it isn't hard. I assumed when you bought a brand new GTS, the dealer provides the first service for free.
Good to know that that isn't the case.
When you do the things yourself then you do get to know your vehicle better and tend to take your time and do it right.
Congrats on doing your service.
I am waiting for the weather to warm up for me to do a major service i.e.
going to replace, fluids (engine oil, gear oil, coolant), clean the air filter(s), replace spark plug, replace drive belt, change out rollers for sliders. But before I do all that I have to make sure the starting issue is due to a battery gone bad and the replacement battery should fix that issue.
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I did the first service on my '20 GTS300 that I bought last August with only about 500 miles on it, engine oil and filter, and rear end lube change.

It has a little over 3000 on it now, and as soon as we can get a few days in a row with temps around 60 degrees, I'm going to do another engine/rear end service (it's third) as long as I'm going to yank things apart to put that oil level sight glass engine cover on it that I bought last fall..

What I'm NOT looking forward to, is hauling the thing 350-400 miles south of us to the closest servicing Vespa dealership near Denver for it's first major engine service, and it's associated expense....you know, hotel, gas for the F-150, shop rate. That sort of stuff.
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Why should the first service be included in the warranty? A warranty covers damage in the first period after purchase. The customer is responsible for taking good care of it.

However, the performance of all services in the maintenance schedule in a (contract) workshop is necessary to maintain the warranty. Vespa's European warranty conditions explicitly state: no inspection, no warranty. Don't know how the situation is in the USA...
Here in the US you can do your first and more service yourself that won't affect the warranty but you have to keep all your receipts for oil and filter etc...some pictures help too.
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I did the first service on my '20 GTS300 that I bought last August with only about 500 miles on it, engine oil and filter, and rear end lube change.

It has a little over 3000 on it now, and as soon as we can get a few days in a row with temps around 60 degrees, I'm going to do another engine/rear end service (it's third) as long as I'm going to yank things apart to put that oil level sight glass engine cover on it that I bought last fall...

What I'm NOT looking forward to, is hauling the thing 350-400 miles south of us to the closest servicing Vespa dealership near Denver for it's first major engine service, and it's associated expense....you know, hotel, gas for the F-150, shop rate. That sort of stuff.
If you have a garage it's not hard just take your time
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Why should the first service be included in the warranty? A warranty covers damage in the first period after purchase. The customer is responsible for taking good care of it.

However, the performance of all services in the maintenance schedule in a (contract) workshop is necessary to maintain the warranty. Vespa's European warranty conditions explicitly state: no inspection, no warranty. Don't know how the situation is in the USA...
I've always been fine in the UK doing my own first services - but I always bought the parts from my dealer who knows me well and filled in the service info on Piaggio's database for me.

Perhaps a German dealer wouldn't do that though...

The Magnuson Moss Act in the US explicitly allows an owner to do their own services without any detriment to the warranty.
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I don't know about the HPE model, but a major service on my GT200, which included a valve check/adjustment and belt/roller replacement, was not difficult, just time consuming, part of that being due to my physical condition. Non HPE models only require a major service every 12,000 miles. For HPE models it's every 6,000 miles. I change my engine and final drive oil every 3000 miles, and sometimes more often.
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What I'm NOT looking forward to, is hauling the thing 350-400 miles south of us to the closest servicing Vespa dealership near Denver for it's first major engine service, and it's associated expense....you know, hotel, gas for the F-150, shop rate. That sort of stuff.
Major engine service?
Are you talking about repairs or maintenance?
Valve adjustments are easy to do on these little bikes.
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Major engine service?
Are you talking about repairs or maintenance?
Valve adjustments are easy to do on these little bikes.
I'm referring to the 6000 mile valve clearance check, as well as possible belt 'attention'.

Are the valves shimmed or screw adjusters on these engines?

Although I have been doing the valve checks and adjustments on my Royal Enfield 650's, I haven't personally performed similar services on any of our other machines, which total of many dozens.

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as long as I'm going to yank things apart to put that oil level sight glass engine cover on it that I bought last fall..

What I'm NOT looking forward to, is hauling the thing 350-400 miles south of us to the closest servicing Vespa dealership near Denver for it's first major engine service, and it's associated expense....you know, hotel, gas for the F-150, shop rate. That sort of stuff.
You must be somewhere in WY or maybe a Dakota....Your HPE sounds like mine; bought it in October with 350 miles, now has almost 1000. I did the first service at 600 or so and replaced the oil pan with the sight glass model. Best mod so far. Let me warn you now that if you decide to put a 12v outlet in the left knee bad, you are in for a surprise!
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You must be somewhere in WY or maybe a Dakota....Your HPE sounds like mine; bought it in October with 350 miles, now has almost 1000. I did the first service at 600 or so and replaced the oil pan with the sight glass model. Best mod so far. Let me warn you now that if you decide to put a 12v outlet in the left knee bad, you are in for a surprise!
Ya, western South Dakota, between Rapid City and Sturgis.

Riding a Vespa out here is a lonely proposition, though the exclusivity of even having a gen-yoo-wine Italian Vespa in these parts is pretty special, at least to me anyway.
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Are the valves shimmed or screw adjusters on these engines?
Screw adjustors....the hardest part is jacking up the back of the scooter to drop the rear end down to reach the valve cover/valves. Nothing special other than that.
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Screw adjustors....the hardest part is jacking up the back of the scooter to drop the rear end down to reach the valve cover/valves. Nothing special other than that.
Yep 👍🏽
Never touched valves on my motorcycles but just started doing them on Vespas.

Scooterwest has a $100 jack and DIY wooden chock stand for front wheel helps a lot.

Belt and roller replacement, easier than valves, just need a couple cheap Vespa specific holder tools for variator and driven pulley. (scooterpartsco.com has some of the best deals on consumables)

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Screw adjustors....the hardest part is jacking up the back of the scooter to drop the rear end down to reach the valve cover/valves. Nothing special other than that.
I've had a Harbor Freight hydraulic motorcycle lift table to help work on our bikes when necessary, so it should help out when tinkering with the Vespa.
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I've had a Harbor Freight hydraulic motorcycle lift table to help work on our bikes when necessary, so it should help out when tinkering with the Vespa.
Yes, makes it a lot easier....
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I removed the rear wheel (I was going to replace the rear tire anyway) so I wouldn't have to jack the scooter up nearly as high. The shocks have to be disconnected. Some wires and hoses may have to be disconnected depending on the model. You will need some way to hold the front wheel. Be VERY careful about jacking up a Vespa. The bottom is made out of the same very thin metal as the rest of the scooter, and it would be very easy to bend with a jack. I put a pillow between the jack and the scooter to help prevent that. Once you can get too the cam cover, the rest of it is easy. Simple screw and locknut. No shims. I do wish it only had two valves instead of four, but four just takes a little longer.
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I've just had the valves adjusted at my first 600 mile service on my 125cc Sprint, and was surprised to hear they were quite far out after the initial 600 miles.

The engine tone has changed a lot now, and my 50 minute run home post service has returned 201.5 IMP MPG (168 US MPG / 71km per Litre ).
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The engine tone has changed a lot now, and my 50 minute run home post service has returned 201.5 IMP MPG (168 US MPG / 71km per Litre ).
Your mechanic must live at the top of a very large mountain.
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